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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:28 PM
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This is absolutely embarrassing. This makes Pennsylvania sound like land of the hicks.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312615,00.html

Pennsylvanians are having an identity crisis when it comes to their state flag: Hardly anyone in the state can identify it. Now state lawmakers are considering a proposal to remedy that by literally adding the word "Pennsylvania" to the flag.

I think a better idea would be to educate people. Why are they not teaching children in schools what the state flag looks like. Put this flag on things. Shove it in our faces. It is embarrassing to think we need legislation to help us identify our state flag.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:30 PM
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1. I think an even better idea is to stop idolizing flags. Who really cares?
As long as the folks in the state house know that they've flown the right flag, what does it matter? It's stuff like this that puts the flag burning nonsense on the table.

Just my two cents.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:39 PM
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6. agreed
Given all the important things that people ought to be learning, recognition of state flags seems inane.

I'm more concerned that we still got people teaching our kids that pilgrims came here for religious freedom, that we don't teach them that Columbus was in charge of a genocide, that they learn basically nothing about the Vietnam war, that we still got people thinking Iraq attacked us on 911. State flags? Giant shrug of apathy here as well.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:30 PM
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12. Yes, I agree that we should focus on more important things like
the state bird, state tree, state flower, etc.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:34 PM
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13. Yes, at least move on to LIVING state things. Ha! nt
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:44 PM
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16. I would bet even money that at least one state thing is extinct.
I bet some state picked the Heath Hen or Passenger Pigeon as their state bird. Not up for the research though.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:56 PM
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18. Even so, it STILL doesn't matter.! They could pick Woody Woodpecker, and
guess what? It STILL doesn't matter!
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:07 PM
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19. I agree it doesn't matter, but I wonder if any state has an official
cartoon character?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:20 PM
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20. I know a country that does. Ours! We call him Mr. President. nt
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:23 PM
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21. Not me, I call him other things, mostly obscene, never Mr. or
President or, God forbid, both.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:25 PM
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23. Wel, as long as you don't call him late for Jeff Gannon, he won't care! nt
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:45 PM
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25. The state DANCE
yes, SC wasted taxpayer money and almost 6 months of legislative time deciding that we should have a state dance and what it should be. Complete with demonstrations and lessons for legislators.

It's the 'shag', btw.

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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:39 PM
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29. Yeah, baby! Yeah!
"The Shag" is the state dance? Sounds like my kind of place baby!
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:31 AM
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37. Does Austin Powers know about this? Groovy baby! Seriously,
having your state dance be a euphemism for fornication is pretty damn funny. It is certainly clear who the state dunces are. I think every state should be required to have an official state ink blot, it would take them forever to decide on one and what it was, which would keep them from spending their time passing stupid laws.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:33 PM
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2. Why not just get one that looks like it should be a PA flag?


Here's some old shipping company's flag
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:39 PM
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8. That's the silhouette of a jar of Heinz mustard, I presume
:D
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:34 PM
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3. Whew. I guess we hicks in Ohio have it easy.
Thanks to having the only swallowtail pennant-shaped flag, we rubes never have to worry about being unable to recognize it.

If I were Pennsylvania I'd really be worried. Putting the name on the flag might not solve the problem. What about the hicks who can't read?
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:24 PM
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22. Ours says "Wisconsin" on it
Pretty hard to miss.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:43 PM
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30. We don't even need to be able to read, really.


George Washington! Get it?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:34 PM
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4. That's funny.
Sorry.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:37 PM
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5. Thus onto Tyrants!
I'm from Virginia.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:39 PM
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7. How about this for the State Flag??
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 06:39 PM
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9. How stupid.. Even I could pick out the PA flag and I've never lived
Edited on Fri Nov-23-07 06:55 PM by hlthe2b
there...If you see them flying on all the government buildings, why would there be this problem..? It would seem kids would learn just by association... :shrug: Maybe if they gave all the school kids little replicas at say, 6th grade or so?
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:37 PM
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14. Since you're an expert on state flags, which state should sue
Pac Man for appropriating part of its flag? No peeking.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:36 PM
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28. NO expert at all--just observe the flags of states I visit &
I think I was probably exposed to most of them when I had to learn state capitals long ago in school. But, as much as I am no expert on flags, I am even less of an expert on video games. I think I played Pac Man once many many years ago. So, unless you mean the little chomping figure resembling the C in the Colorado flag, you got me... :shrug:
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:40 AM
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39. We used to visit a small, wonderful beach front motel here in
Florida whose owner flew the state flags of all his guests while they were there. It was a great conversation starter around the pool. Sadly, the place was torn down and replaced with condos a few years ago. On the upside, that thoughtful owner is now a millionaire.

In the sixth grade we were required to learn all the countries on the planet and their capitals, places like "The Belgian Congo" and "French Equatorial Africa"-nothing like rote memorization for rote memorization's sake.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:01 PM
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10. While folks can recognize the Arizona flag
folks in the movies often fly it upside down. :eyes:
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:26 PM
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11. Don't worry, the hicks in America's Dairyland have that covered:



I swear the PA flag was on a Lego castle set one of my kids had years ago though....
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:41 PM
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15. Hoosiers figured this out when the flag was made.
They put Indiana on the flag, just to be sure they weren't Kentuckians!

:evilgrin:

:hide:
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:46 PM
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17. I've been looking at state flags and a number of them are
labled like kid's underwear at summer camp.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:55 PM
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26. I don't know...
I've not seen any that have 'left leg' and 'right leg' on them!

:evilgrin:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:45 PM
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31. Yes... a lot more than I had realized.... Ok, PA go for it! LOL
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:24 AM
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36. LOL. Seriously, I think the location of the grommets performs
that function.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:29 PM
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24. duh, slap it on the license plates.
and agreed. who fucking cares. of course our state flag really sucks.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 09:10 PM
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27. I grew up in PA
Edited on Fri Nov-23-07 09:11 PM by AnnieBW
The PA flag is BOR-ING. You can't identify it. It's dark blue with the state seal on it. I'd prefer something more recognizable, like the Liberty Bell.

Now Marylanders LOVE their flag. It's distinctive. We fly it everywhere.

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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:54 PM
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33. Lived there for 50 years
Didn't know till now that we even had a PA flag.

Our song sucked....
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:54 PM
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32. Pennsylvania is hard to spell too! Change it so it's simpler to spell...
... like Pencilvanya...

:rofl:

(Note: I lived in Philly for 5 years)

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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:26 PM
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40. That isn't even funny. That will be next for our State Legislature.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:57 PM
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34. Meh, who cares really?
State flags aren't high on my list of "things people should know". In fact, it's not on the list at all, heh.

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:33 AM
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35. I have nothing against State flags, in fact, I think they show
pride for a state, and that is a relatively good thing, citizens should be proud of where they live and respect where others live. Wasting time on whether or not to put the actual name on a flag is pretty stupid though.

Here's my reasoning:

1. You are in a state and the odds are, that another state is not going to fly it's flag over yours.

2. The flag is flying pretty high, you would need binoculars to read it.

3. You couldn't read it on a calm day or if the wind was shifting.

4. Every flag would have to be changed, at great cost, (taxpayers saddled once again).

5. Does anyone really care?

The last one makes the most sense to me. No one really cares about stuff like this, and when they see things like this coming out of their legislative bodies, they wonder why they voted for idiots, (that could be a good thing, they might vote them out in the next election!).

#4 is interesting as well. How many state flags would have to be replaced? One for each school, (add in schoolrooms if they are there; each municipal building; each post office; fire dept's; police dept's; all across PA. The private sector would have to purchase their own new flags, or most likely just decide not to fly one.

Symbols are often powerful things. They are often steeped in history and reveal a pride that people should get when they notice them. State lizards, fish, fowl and other things are fine...most people have nary the faintest of notions what their state insect is, if they even have one though.

This is all designed to relieve people from thinking about real problems though, and that is what is so confounding about all of this.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:17 PM
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41. haha
"This is all designed to relieve people from thinking about real problems though, and that is what is so confounding about all of this."

I have another take:

State flags, state birds, state songs, state flowers, etc. exist so kindergarteners will have material to learn until they can read. :) Every kid in Texas knows all this stuff and can recognize the Alamo before the end of the first semester. They make little books and color them. :)
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 07:50 PM
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45. When I was stationed at Ft Sam Houston, I went to the Alamo...
of course, it is somewhat difficult to truly figure out the whole thing when it's surrounded by all kinds of relatively modern buildings, and getting through the hype before you actually enter, is somewhat daunting, but I had to admire those who fought there. I would have done a little better tactically, but Travis wasn't the shiniest hammer in the bag anyway.


I have always advocated the good w/the bad approach to history. People shouldn't be spoonfed "goodies" and not know of the "uglies". I was brought up in NYC, and for years, i heard about Washington being tossed off the Island at Brooklyn, but when I started to dig into the whole history, I learned that about 60% of the people in NYC were Tories, and supported the Crown. I found that somewhat disturbing, but it helped to explain a lot as I learned more. As for Washington, he lost almost every battle he was in command of, but his men did win the important ones, and in the end, that is what counted.

Just before the last election, I was at a Town hall meeting with some of the D bigwigs here in Nebraska, and I brought up the idea that we should have a "State Rodent", and I suggested Jeff Fortenberry(R) 1st District. For a while, I thought they might actually bring it up in Lincoln... :D

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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:26 PM
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46. State rodent works
I can think of a few R rodents here in Texas who deserve the "honor."
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:38 AM
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38. i like the CA flag because it has a bear on it
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:25 PM
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42. It just makes Pennsylvanians sound like people with more important things to do.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:28 PM
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43. Well, you DID give us the Dover Intelligent Design case.
:evilgrin:
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 04:36 PM
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44. State flags kind of lost their relevance when they stopped carrying them on battlefields.
:shrug:
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