Camille Paglia on Hillary Clinton - 11/1999

[sampsonblk]

"I want to fall on the floor laughing -- imagining Hillary Clinton working well in the Senate with everybody else! Oh, give me a break. I've already joked in print that they would need to build her a private cloakroom on the Mall. This is not a woman who has any ability to deal with the mass of humanity. She is the most arrogant, the most moralistic, the most sermonizing and annoying person on earth...." -- Feminist icon Camille Paglia

Wonder if she feels stupid now.

[mitchum]

1. Paglia's fifteen minutes were so last century

[rodeodance]

11. and she is not a feminist!

[mitchum]

14. She certainly isn't, and she also has the same ironic hostility toward affirmative...

action as Clarence Thomas.
And for the same reason.

[flordehinojos]

2. all camille, all paglia, all the way! wow-wee!

[AlCzervik]

3. she should, her BFF is Matt Drudge. Give it up Camille

[angstlessk]

4. has she had her sex change operation yet?? she hates women

so I figured she should be a man by now??

[mrreowwr_kittty]

9. Apparently there is some bizarro world where loathing other women makes you a feminist

Paglia has quite a bit of company in that world, or so the media would make it seem.

[Lilith Velkor]

34. Yup. She now calls herself "Bill Maher."

[DURHAM D]

5. So glad that bitch disappeared.

She made my skin crawl - a so-called feminist who hates women.

[TwilightGardener]

6. She didn't unfortunately disappear--she's in Salon every week.

[Lerkfish]

18. so this compels you to call her a "bitch"? how non-misogynist of you

weren't HRC supporters here all in a froth over someone calling her a "witch" because of what it rhymed with?

[DURHAM D]

19. I have no idea - but what are you doing here? n/t

[Lerkfish]

29. pointing out your misogynist language?

:shrug:

why, is there something else I need to be doing here?

[DURHAM D]

30. I don't hate women - I love women.

I hate her - just one woman.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. Paglia is about as much a feminist icon as OJ Simpson. nt

[Lerkfish]

8. you wonder if who feels stupid? Paglia or Clinton?

What have you seen that stands markedly against Paglia's assessment?
I agree Paglia was more condescending than required, but if you look at the basic criticism, is she that wrong?

-- not a woman who has any ability to deal with the Mass of humanity
-- arrogant, moralistic, sermonizing and annoying.

I will go along with the first, and pass on the second, but I could see where she arrived at that opinion.

[sampsonblk]

26. Hillary did a fine job for the people of New York

So fine, that they re-elected her. And she was a great colleague in the senate.

[Lerkfish]

28. what did she do, exactly?

getting reelected is not an accomplishment for new york as much as its a personal accomplishment.

[sampsonblk]

32. I'll let you figure it out

She has a 48% approval rating among New York Republicans. That's unbelievable. And 80% approval among NY Democrats. She's been kicking ass.

Highlights:

58% approval among NY evangelicals.
58% among current members of the military
50% among pro-lifers in NY
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=6ac8f335-663c-4b4c-a2be-0bdc6a3125b6

[Lerkfish]

38. again, that doesn't answer my question. I asked what she did, and you quote

poll numbers.

HRC fans only seem to be able speak in polls or electability. Any questions relating to actual performance don't get answered.

I ask again: what did she actually do for her constituents?

being popular is not the same as doing something.

[sampsonblk]

39. How does she get to be popular in New York without doing something for them?

You are going to have to supply your own curiosity. If you want to know why New Yorkers think she's done a lot for them, maybe you should ask them.

Fact remains, she's a transplant from down south. Yet she is adored in the state of New York for what's she's done for them in the Senate.

[Lerkfish]

43. as I said

HRC fans seem unwilling or unable to discuss actual policies or actions, only popularity polls and electability (whatever that means)
you've done nothing but prove me correct.

[sampsonblk]

44. You are free to believe that

Fine by me.

[Lerkfish]

45. well, believe implies faith in something unproven

you've proven it, so its no longer belief.

[Lerkfish]

49. and, I see you are unwilling or incapable of answering the question, so...

thanks.

[Renew Deal]

10. I think Hillary proved her wrong.

She was humble in the Senate. She also didn't stand out much. That sort of disproves Paglia.

[rodeodance]

12. BINGO

[Broke Dad]

13. RE: Nailed Hillary

Looks like an accurate if caustic assessment to me.

[Lerkfish]

16. yeah, that's my take.

overly caustic but reasonably sound assessment.

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. And you think the Senate is representative of the mass of humanity?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Renew Deal]

24. Huh

that doesn't make sense.

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. Read it.

"This is not a woman who has any ability to deal with the mass of humanity. She is the most arrogant, the most moralistic, the most sermonizing and annoying person on earth...."

To which the answer was "she was humble" IN THE FUCKING SENATE.

Therefore, my reply.

Outside that insiders club, she remains arrogant, moralistic, sermonizing and annoying.

[pnwmom]

15. "She is the most arrogant, the most moralistic, the most sermonizing

and annoying person on earth."

If I didn't know better, I would think Camille was describing herself.

[mitchum]

17. Probably is...Paglia is a narcissist without a cause

it's always about Camille

[pnwmom]

20. That sounds right. I had never thought about her that way before

(I try not to think about her at all) -- but your diagnosis is probably right on target.

[closeupready]

47. No, she's just projecting.

:evilgrin:

[Bitwit1234]

22. No HIllary Clinton is not the most sermonizing and annoying person on earth

add self centered, publicity seeking and liar on record. Now does my characterization of her carry any more weight than hers. Hell no. anybody can say anything the want. And if Hillary was so so out of it why did this asshole stay close enough to her to know what she was like...ha!!!

[SaveOurDemocracy]

23. Wonder if you feel stupid now?

TFF!!! :spray:


1999 :rofl:

Camille Paglia ... feminist 'icon' in her own mind only.

[supernova]

25. When was Paglia ever a "Feminist" icon?

You have to love women and our hope for a whole life in order for that to be true.

I'm so glad not to hear from that gasbag anymore.

[Sparkly]

27. Classic projection?

[illinoisprogressive]

33. i think Pagilia feels very vindicated now

[Elspeth]

35. One Yale grad grousing about another.....yawn.

The grads that Yale breeds are so annoying.

Yawn.

[CreekDog]

36. Paglia calling anybody arrogant and sermonizing is hypocrisy in absurd quantity n/t

[Perry Logan]

37. Mrawr! Hsss!

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. is this freeper ville?

Have I awoken to an alternate universe where the "progressives" are using right-wing shills to insult democrats?

[sampsonblk]

41. No, you just misread the OP

I was pointing out how stupid the quote was. Camille Paglia is garbage.

[Evergreen Emerald]

42. This is the first of at least two regarding the dear Camille

the other op is defending her.

[closeupready]

46. Yeah, and then there was that Andrew Sullivan piece posted last week.

Come on, people. Try to support progressives in the media, sheez.

[MaineDem]

48. Who the hell is Camille Paglia?

I know I've been living under a rock for the past month but I've never heard of her until now.

[nealmhughes]

50. She is a philosopher on gender and popular culture in Philly.

She idolizes the "perfect boy" like Byron, Elvis and Adonis. She is very much into butch gay men, and not into women, although a self-described bisexual. She hates weak women and weak men with a passion. She still uses Freud and poses in a black leather cat suit with a whip on her book jacket. That is Hurricane Camille.