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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:57 AM
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Obama Shines in Iowa
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2007/11/11/iowa-jj-recap.aspx

Obama Shines in Iowa

Barack Obama's speech at tonight's Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Iowa took him back to the roots of his stardom. Crucially, the setting was similar to that of the 2004 Democratic national convention, where Obama's keynote speech changed his destiny: Obama appeared onstage alone, before a roaring auditorium crowd, delivering an oratorically ambitious speech. It was a far cry from the candidate debates, with their silly questions and Mike Gravels, which have diminished Obama--or his sometimes lackluster town hall meetings with voters. Instead, Obama showed off his star power again and, for me at least, refreshed the logic of his call for "change that we can believe in."

Obama was all the more dramatic because he offered one of his sharpest critiques of Hillary Clinton to date. He went on something of a tear against Clintonism and the too-clever-by-half politics of what he called "Washington textbook campaigns." "Not answering questions because we're afraid our answers won't be popular just won't do it," Obama said--obviously referring to Hillary's debate performance last week. Without naming Hillary, he also ripped the practice of "telling the American people what we think they want to hear instead of telling the American people what they need to hear" and relying on "triangulating and poll driven positions because we're worried about what Mitt or Rudy might say about us. If we are really serious about winning this election, then we can't live in fear of losing." The Democratic Party, he said, has been best "when we led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction." One can take some issue here (isn't it reasonable to worry about saying things that give "Mitt or Rudy" easy avenues for attack?). But to see Obama in his grandiose element, looking poised and confident, feeding off the energy of the surging crowd, was an important reminder of why he's made it so far so fast.

Obama also had the advantage of speaking last, giving his appearance an extra air of crescendo. He followed a strong performance by Hillary Clinton, but one that I suspect won't be long remembered. Hillary's speech featured a vow to "turn up the heat" on the Republican machine--expressed by a call-and-response with the crowd that seemed slightly labored to me, and also far less vigorous than the ferociously energetic "Fired Up! Ready to go!" chanting of Obama's supporters earlier in the night. Hillary did make an effective effort to rise above the fray of her rivals' attacks however, telling the audience, "I know how easy it is in a campaign to get distracted, to focus on who's up and who's down, and who said what about whom. But that’s not what this election is about. This election is about … who feel invisible in their own country." Later she added, "I am not interested in attacking my opponents. I am interested in attacking the problems of America. We should be turning up the heat on the Republicans." This is Hillary's way of reinforcing the fractured frame of her as inevitable nominee facing the larger task of fighting the GOP. It's also an effort to neutralize the attacks of her rivals by making them seem like a distraction from the real issues. (Once again, this sounds like Mark Penn's thinking--voters want substance, not process and personality.)

One puzzle was Hillary's exceedingly slow and deliberate presentation: She sounded as though she were addressing someone who speaks shaky English, a bit in the style of the circa-2000 Al Gore. (Update: Garance was also puzzled, and adds that Hillary "veer between a soft-spoken, almost transquilized tone and grating crescendos that, regretably, can only be described as shrill." Correct.)

(A footnote: Hillary worked in a crack about how Republican fiscal policies have "turned China into our banker." This "yellow-peril" line has Bill's fingerprints all over it: In his speech at the 2004 convention he said, "If you believe it is good policy to pay for my tax cuts with the Social Security checks of working men and women and borrowed money from China and Japan, you should vote for them. If not, John Kerry's your man.")

John Edwards gave a familiar speech about his humble rural origins, the evil power of lobbyists and, striking a similar chord to Obama, the need for Democrats "to stand up as a party with some backbone and some strength, and to not back down from what we believe in." Most interesting, perhaps, Edwards also riffed on how George W. Bush has "destroyed" the "trust relationship" between Americans and their president. "You're in a place to judge who is trustworthy, who is honest, who is sincere, who can restore that trust relationship," Edwards said. This reminded me of Bush's famous promise to restore honor and decency to the Oval Office--only this time it was clearly Hillary Clinton's honor at issue and not Bill's.

I doubt any of the other three candidates changed any minds tonight. Chris Dodd was particularly senatorial and lackluster, see below re: Richardson, and although Joe Biden delivered dramatically grave remarks summed up here, they seemed to yield extremely wan applause.

Prior to tonight's dinner there was much chatter about how the event might reshape the Democratic race. I didn't see anything like that. If I had to declare a winner it would definitely be Obama, who made me think anew about his potential as a nominee who can excite voters. But my main conclusion is that these candidates have all established their basic rationales and critiques, ones unlikely to change much between now and January 3. From here it's an endurance test, a struggle to avoid unforced errors--and, above all, a furious ground game to get your damn people to the caucuses.

--Michael Crowley
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:01 AM
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1. Crowley is right. Obama was riveting.
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 10:01 AM by jefferson_dem
He's also correct about Hillary. I was curious about her odd delivery. Like. Really. Soft. And. Deliberate.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:18 AM
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3. Clinton's delivery was softer than normal,
but I don't think it's odd. I'm sure that being called shrill so often was the basis for changing the tone of her voice.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:24 AM
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4. It was Hillary version 293.0
Version 294.0 rolls out Thursday, the content of which will be determined by focus group results of version 293.0.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:28 AM
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5. You can keep trying to push that meme
but after watching Obama on MTP, there's not a significant policy difference between them IMO.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:29 AM
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6. The differences appear to be only skin deep.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:31 AM
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8. Other than that minor difference in 2002 on the war
Oh, I know, that was so 2002 ago...
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:40 AM
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9. IMO Obama's position would have been different had he been in the Senate at that time.
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 10:41 AM by MNDemNY
You are delusional if you think otherwise.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:49 AM
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10. I see, I'm delusional because of his explicit comments opposing IWR at the time
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 10:49 AM by BeyondGeography
and you have it all figured out based on...

:freak:

How about we try it this way: We've already gone down the tubes once with a pro-IWR subsequently antiwar candidate, and, actually, Kerry was a bonafide antiwar candidate compared with sorta kinda Hillary. Now we're supposed to try it again. Whatever you think about Obama, he is much better positioned to criticize this misguided enterprise and campaign for its conclusion having spoken out against it at the outset than anyone who formally authorized it.

Any other point of view would be simply, well, delusional.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:55 AM
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11. Since being in the Senate,
Obama has pretty consistently voted AGAINST cutting funding, until VERY recently AGAINST any time table for withdrawal. His statement before he was Senator were easy ones to make. His tone has changed greatly since he became a Senator. He's a politician, he would have been right there with the rest of the spineless Dems in the Senate.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:56 AM
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13. Becauser he's "better positioned to criticize",
that makes him better qualified? Quite a leap.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:59 AM
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14. I disagree with Crowley -Clinton had JFK tone although I agree the "chant response" was not either
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 10:59 AM by papau
good or bad, in my opinion, just a bit "cute".

The China comment just reflects facts - so Crowley is at most just showing himself fighting his own biases with his "yellow peril" comment.

Obama did well - and being last to speak helped a lot I suspect.

Clinton is down 5 points and Obama up 5 following what was, in my opinion, a Tim Russert poorly worded on purpose question that was really 2 questions - one about the 3 level driver ID program in effect in Washington State that is approved by Homeland Security, and is proposed for NY, and lowered accident rates and ins costs in Washington State, and a different question about giving illegals diver licenses that are security ID's. The media blast has conned a lot of people as it feeds the media story line about being on both sides of the issue (this after Clinton's 2,000 very specific speeches that were never on 2 sides of an issue - albeit some with positions that are nuanced - just as life is not all black and white).

Obama has jumped on the media story line - but I am not sure there is more votes that will move - the male under 45 vote that has moved is back to its Spring 2007 level when all the excitement of the Obama entry was at its highest.

But we only have 8 weeks to wait and see if anything really changed (I have always expected since last Spring Obama to win Iowa and Clinton to win NH - despite Edwards having positions more in line with my own -we will see if I can predict anything correctly very soon).
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:10 AM
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17. Obama showed he has what it takes.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:28 AM
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22. How? What is "it"
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:13 AM
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2. Hillary did indeed seem to change "tone".
Obama seemed tired and off. Said the right things,just not as convincingly as he has in the past.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:30 AM
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7. How many bulbs did they have in his HALO
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:55 AM
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12. Obama was spectacular.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:00 AM
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15. As long as "spectacular"=stale and lethargic
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:12 AM
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18. Spectacular as in having halved the frontrunner's lead.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:13 AM
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19. Good comeback! Gobama!
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:22 AM
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20. So his lethargic speech last night, affected polls from days before?
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 11:29 AM by MNDemNY
That is spectacular. He can "halve" the front runners lead 567 times, he would still be behind.(it's simple math"
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:27 AM
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21. This is how Obama has AFFECTED polling:
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 11:30 AM by AtomicKitten
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3707405

On edit: Thanks for the edit; your spelling was hurting my eyes.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:29 AM
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23. With last nights speech? LOL
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:10 AM
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16. I disagree.
I listened closely to Obama last night and though, admittedly, I am an Edwards fan, I really wanted to hear what he had to say. He seemed stiff and un-empassioned. His themes are non-concrete and practiced. He also seems nervous and off balance. Though he tries to speak eloquently, I don't feel that his heart is in it. I really wanted Obama to inspire me last night, but he missed the mark.

Just my .02...
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:48 AM
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24. The only thing that shined on Obama was his make-up
Otherwise it was his same old stump speech. According to the DU poll, Edwards did shining. Obama was a distant second.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 09:30 AM
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27. MSNBC mentioned he didn't have a lot of "uhs"........
which made it his best speech since the '04 Dem convention. I was disappointed that there was apparently no substance, but GREAT STYLE ! They didn't even mention Edwards speech :( Man, someone doesn't want him nominated :silly:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:56 AM
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25. K&R
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 08:16 AM
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26. Obama stands out in night of speeches
Obama stands out in night of speeches

By Dan Balz and Shailagh Murray

The Washington Post

DES MOINES, Iowa — In the space of an hour this weekend, Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois, using some of their most pointed and forceful rhetoric of the campaign, framed the choice for Democrats deciding their party's presidential nomination.

Clinton gave a strong speech at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner late Saturday. But Obama, criticized for occasional lackluster performances, delivered one of his most focused and powerful addresses.

In the view of many watching, he emerged as the oratorical winner at the biggest Democratic political event in Iowa before the state's January caucuses.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004008566_dems12.html

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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:42 AM
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28. The only people playing down Obama are Clinton and Edwards supporters
everyone else thinks he did very good and may have been the best of the night.
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