Obama need to stand up for himself and not be intimidated by left-wing exclusionists.

[calteacherguy]

There is nothing wrong with letting McClurkin perform at the concert, and Obama should say so. You have to invite people in in order to change hearts and minds. McClurkin will be playing at an event in support of a candidate that supports gay rights issues to the fullest. There's even going to be an openly gay minister opening the event. I think it's great Obama is reaching out and trying to change hearts and minds.

It's the same kind of "I won't talk to them" mentality that Bush uses with foreign policy so many on the far left seem to be ready to embrace with domestic issues. We need to reach out. We need to grow.

[BootinUp]

1. anybody want some?

:popcorn:

[Cameron27]

17. It defies words doesn't it?

I'd rather have this :beer:

[PurityOfEssence]

38. I'll hold your coat

Kid's got a glass jaw.

[Bluebear]

2. Are you gay?

If not, you should seriously pipe down on this.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. Please answer this sincere question > > >

Was the Human Rights Campaign out of line sending this letter to Bush, demanding he not let McClurkin play the 2004 Republican convention?

Was Bush trying to be inclusive, or trading on hate for votes? Can we afford this much of a double standard?

http://www.hrc.org/issues/2031.htm

[calteacherguy]

11. The difference is the Republican party does not support gay rights issues.

The Democratic Party and Democratic candidates do.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. I acknowledge your point, but isn't that WORSE, not better?

A gay person already knows the pugs hate him. McClurkin appearing at the pug convention is par for the course.

What does it say to a gay person when a top tier Dem does the same.

Does he or she feel more or less abandoned?

I figure Bush can do whatever offensive thing he wants. But we have to have a higher standard, because people depend on this damn party.

WE are the line between gay Americans and ghettos and re-education camps. WE have an obligation here.

Obama's actions are pure poison, and that is my sincere opinion. If Clinton did this I would say the same, word for word. Truth be told, I like Obama more. (I support Clinton because it was obvious to me that Obama would melt-down in a real high-stakes election.) So this genuinely tears at me because this guy who was supposed to be different is EVEN WORSE.

[Cha]

4. So says

you..yeah, that'll teach 'em.

[DURHAM D]

5. As the spokesperson for the gay community -

I would like to thank you for your full throated support and understanding. :sarcasm:

[cuke]

6. Cheap shot

Funny, but cheap. If this crowd had a sense of humor, it would be OK, but this is DU

[cuke]

8. Wait a minute?

You were being serious?

[Bluebear]

9. ...

:spray:

I like you already.

[cuke]

15. I gotta warn you

I may be easy, but I'm not cheap

[AlCzervik]

7. get over yourself, seriously. I'm sure if the "openly gay" preacher called Breeders "abominations"

you'd be singing a different tune.

[cali]

29. the word breeders is an abomination in its own right. n/t

[AlCzervik]

30. yes it is.

[Forkboy]

10. And the dumb get dumber.

:popcorn:

[MuseRider]

18. I like your sig

Really nice.

Yup, this is an opportunity for "education" doncha know. Seems more like an opportunity to raise more money out of a certain group with the basic line, "Who else are you going to vote for" in the background. Obama is not my guy and I have tried to stay out of the fighting but this is just too much. The support for his decision here on DU makes me ill.

[Forkboy]

33. Thanks...it's from a Michael Franti song.

Is Love Enough

We want freedom of speech
But we all talkin' at the same time
We say we want peace
But nobody wants to change their own mind, no they don't

So it goes on and on and on and on and on
For a thousand years, a thousand years I say
And it goes on and on and on and on and on
What language are your tears, are your tears

Everybody wants to live the life of kings and queens
But nobody wants to stay and plow the fields
Everybody wants to tell their neighbors how to live
But nobody wants to listen to how they feel

And it goes on and on and on and on and on
For a thousand years, a thousand years I say
And it goes on and on and on and on and on
What language are your tears, are your tears

But what I got to say right now
Is love enough yeah, love enough yeah, love enough,
Or can you love some more
Is the love enough yeah, love enough yeah, love enough
Or can you love some more
Is your love enough yeah, your love enough yeah, is your love enough
Or can you love some more
Is your love enough yeah, your love enough yeah, is your love enough
or tell me can you love some more

It goes on and on and on and on and on
For a thousand years I say
And it goes on and on and on and on
What language are your tears, are your tears

What mother nature gives
Mankind refuse to let live
Taking the universe in their own hands
Oh lets stop short-circuiting the positive
Charging the negative
Causing the most unusual circumstances
Everyday we rise again but our love will fight again
Hoping that hearts will receive our love token
Blessed words we speak again
Lovely words to do my friend
For us to live in this here garden of eden

So tell me is your love enough, yeah, your love enough, yeah, is your love enough, or can you love some more
is your love enough, yeah, your love enough, yeah, is your love enough, or tell me, tell me, tell me, what's it...

What language to laugh in
What language to cry in
What language to dance in, make romance in
What language to make love in, or pray to the above in

What language are you fears
What language are you tears

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9uphSt5iE

An amazing song from an amazing man.

[MuseRider]

40. Ooh yes

very nice. Thanks for the link, I like that a lot.

[denem]

12. I question your motives

It's gasoline on the fire. I question whether you support any democrat. If you back Hillary Clinton, her supporters should disown you.

[bicentennial_baby]

13. Wow, lamest post in a looong time...

Congrats. :eyes:

Oh, and thanks for your support of the GLBT community too.

:puke:

[Bluebear]

14. You left-wing exclusionist!

:silly:

[AlCzervik]

19. the defense of this fuck up makes me look at people in a whole new light.

[Cameron27]

21. Yeah I know,

I'm starting to wonder who the hell's sitting behind all these computers.

[AlCzervik]

23. can i tell you how happy i'll be when this election is over?

some bad business in this forum, very disheartening.

[bicentennial_baby]

26. And that's why I don't come 'round these parts too often...

I just like to watch my hubby in action. :D

Now you know why I married him :P

:loveya:

[jaysunb]

16. K&R

:thumbsup:

[Bluebear]

31. Well, at least somebody's happy.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. yes when obama has someone on his campaign that is opposite progressive views

he is inclusive. When other candidates have even a snippet of a tie to someone who may have had something to do with advertising for the Blackwater company once--there are 32 posts on what a traitor she is.

[IndianaJones]

24. as a racial minority, I would like to see more neo-nazis and KKK members involved. nt.

[Bluebear]

25. It's important to reach out to different elements of American society. nt

[IndianaJones]

27. Yeah...we want to prevent the hate that comes from both sides. nt.

[goodgd_yall]

28. A big "F" for you, teacherguy n/t

[NMMNG]

32. Yeah, You're right

And there's nothing wrong with, say, Edwards or Clinton having the KKK head up one of their campaign functions. Because you have to invite people to change hearts and minds. They'll be heading up an event with a candidate that supports black rights issues to the fullest. There will even be openly black people at the event. It think it will be great for Edwards/Clinton to reach out and try to change hearts and minds.

It's the same kind of "I won't talk to them" mentality that Bush uses with foreign policy so many on the far left seem to be ready to embrace with domestic issues. We need to reach out. We need to grow.


In case anybody doesn't get it, :sarcasm:

[Sandaasu]

34. You can talk with people without promoting them. There's a big difference (n/t)

[Solon]

35. Standing up for the GBLT brothers and sisters is NOT a left wing value, its the moral thing to do.

Its what any decent human being will do, too bad that you cannot become one of those. OK, now I'm pissed off again!

[calteacherguy]

36. Obama is standing up for GBLT brothers and sisters, for the reasons I gave in the OP.

We simply disagree about how to "stand up."

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

37. What ingrates they must be to not realize that...

[Solon]

39. He does, many of his supporters on this board do NOT...

Instead they tear down and attack GBLT people and disregard their feelings on this issue, even going so far as to make FUN of those feelings. Its fucking pathetic, that's what it is.

[terrya]

41. Ok...I refuse to talk to them.

McClurkin is the enemy. The people who espouse that bigoted "ex-gay" crap are the enemy. They are on the wrong side of this issue and they are to be defeated. There's nothing to talk to them about. They represent bigotry, period. It makes as much sense to try to talk to them as to reach out to the KKK.

This "reach out and talk to them, gosh maybe we can change their minds" bullshit is extremely naive, to put it mildly.

[MethuenProgressive]

42. "exclusionists"? Is that from the Obama/McClurkin Cure the Gays! concert pamphlet?

To oppose homophobia and bigotry is to be an "exclusionist"?
The is the most ignorant thing I have ever seen typed out for others to read.

[arendt]

44. Oh. Thanks for providing the orifice (see my post below) n/t

[arendt]

43. I don't care about Obama. But, I do care about people making up new labels to stick on...

anyone who disagrees with them.

Out of what orifice did you pull "exclusionists"?

Why aren't the homophobes who want to stamp out gay rights "exclusionists"?
Why isn't Hillary an "exclusionist" for keeping people out of her events?
Why isn't Kerry an "exclusionist" for refusing to defend the guy who got tasered.

How much crap does someone who doesn't agree with you have to eat to avoid this
dreaded label?

My point is that this word adds nothing to the conversation except another brickbat.
It is another exercise in replacing meaningful distinctions and honest reactions
with manipulative, black and white rhetoric.

arendt