I hate to say it, but I think we've lost the 2008 election.

[Riddler]

We can't get our shit together.

We have ineffectual leadership that borders on being traitors.

The American people are fed up with the Repukes, but even more fed up with the fact that democrats are more worried about how they are perceived by the media than in doing what they were elected to do.

As long as Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are in charge, we're screwed. They are total turncoats who would rather cower down to the hypocrite repukes in congress to save face than act like they have a collective spine between them and impeach this bastard. We're wimps. The repukes know it. The media knows it. And each and every day that Pelosi and Reid are in charge, more and more Americans know it.

We get down on our knees and apologize when we shouldn't simply to placate those who we should be demanding an apology from for destroying this country. When was the last time anyone saw a republican, any republican, apologize, even when it was well deserved?

We will nominate a person who will not win if we nominate Hilary. The right has been assassinating her character for 15 years, and if anybody thinks Karl Rove is retired and not sitting in a room somewhere concocting every evil campaign trick in his shit-for-brain mind to pull out against her, then they aren't dealing with reality. They will destroy her and have 15 years worth of tricks up their sleeves to do it because the public and the media are too stupid to realize what is true and what is manufactured.

We spend more time picking apart our own candidates than we do educating the public on the horrors that will befall us under another repuke rule in the white house.

Plain and simple, we're wimps....we have wimps for our "leaders"....and the only sounds coming from our elected representatives who we entrusted on getting this nation back on the right path is their whimper as they continually bend over and hand the vaseline to the repukes so they can get screwed again.

Unless we get rid of Pelosi and Reid, and stop the infighting and find a candidate that WILL win, not CAN win, not MIGHT win, or will LIKELY win, we're screwed. And we can thank our sorry leadership for their lack of backbone and for squandering the trust placed in them last November for it.

I've personally called Pelosi and Reid's offices on numerous occasions. I've written them snail mail. I've sent them dozens of emails. I've not heard 1 syllable of a reply from either of them. They don't care. Yet, I've written my repuke senator to complain 1 time and got a 3 page typed letter in return explaining her position. It was bullshit, but at least it was a response, which is more than I've ever gotten from our "leadership". Pelosi and Reid are the worst possible things that could have happened to us when we took back control of congress, and if we don't put pressure on our elected representatives to get rid of them in their leadership roles, like I said, we're screwed.

I hate to say it, but it's true.

[Jim__]

1. It may be a bit early to give up - n/t

[Yupster]

21. I agree

I think it may be difficult to blow this one. It's ours to lose and we'll have to really screw up bad to lose it, and Hillary's not going to screw it up.

[ldf]

97. that's what democrats are good at...

miraculously snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

:shrug:

[H2O Man]

30. Just a tad. n/t

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

106. When The FUCK Won't It Be Too Early????????????????/

Was it too early after the Supreme Court STOLE the Presidency from Al Gore?

Was it too early after the Voting Machines STOLE the Presidency from John Kerry?

WHEN THE FUCK WILL IT BE TIME TO GIVE UP????

Please, tell me.

I think anyone who truly believes that Hillary as the nominee is a good thing, is mistaken.

I'm ready to give up. It's not up to us to figure this shit out. That's what we elect "THEM" for. MORONS.

[TwilightGardener]

2. HIllary or Obama will do very well no matter what, but I do worry that

the Dem Congress' poor image will end up hurting them.

[Clintonista2]

5. I agree

I think ALL the dem candidates could kick butt in a GE, especially vs. the crappy candidates the GOP are trying to put forth.

[Clark2008]

39. Not me. I think HRC will lose and Obama wouldn't fair any better.

But, you see, I live outside the Blue Bubble. I hear a lot of people complaining about the direction the country is taking, but they're blaming the Dems, not planning to vote for them.

:grr:

[xxqqqzme]

73. Amen to that.

I live in a precinct of DTS (declined to state) 'n they are just as disgusted w/ the dems as the publicans. I am not happy w/ the way the corporate media cabal has decided she is the nominee.

[MattSh]

113. Here's what you'll get...

By the time the primaries end, you'll have the Dem and Rep candidate the MSM anoints. When it's all over next November, the next president will be the one anointed by the MSM. Nothing more, nothing less.

You think they'll actually let you choose?? :rofl:

[allisonthegreat]

130. that's the plan ! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. You Hit On Something

Some Dems are whining that Hillary will hurt the bottom of the ticket...I'm afraid it's the other way around... If they don't get their act together the bottom of the ticket will hurt the top of the ticket...

You don't see Hillary doing stupid stuff like calling Bush* an asshat and then apologizing for it or sending OxyRush a nasty letter he auctions off for two and one half million dollars...

[TwilightGardener]

25. No, you're right--she's running her campaign very well overall, but

the "Keystone Cops" appearance of our Dems and their leaders might still drag her down. Hell, Limpballs and Laura Ingraham are outright blaming Nancy Pelosi for the escalating Turkey situation--I wish we could stop giving them ammo, but it seems our Congressional Dems are congenitally incapable of getting their shit together.

[mdelaguna2000]

28. Good point - it's so nice when they don't behave stupidly.

Have we been reduced to asking only this?! (Rhetorical question - not bashing or praising any particular candidate here.)

[xxqqqzme]

75. stupid is as stupid does....sir

sorry, couldn't resist. My brain said, my fingers followed.

[progpen]

31. The stupid part of course being...

APOLOGIZING!!!!!!

[saracat]

52. No you see her hiring Backwater apologist and union buster Mark Penn. You see her voting for Kyl /

Lieberman and refusing to apologize for her IWAR vote so as to "look tough". You see her affiliated with many finance scandals beginning with Hsu and continuing with the most recent. In my red state she WILL hurt the bottom of the ticket but no one cares because they are being spoon fed a "winner" through the likes of Rupert Murdoch. That alliance alone "proves"that Hillary has aligned herself with the RW noise machine she allegedly fought. Both Clifton's have very artfully used the Machiavellian "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" so artfully that they have become them. It may well gain them the WH but at the cost of their integrity, if they ever had any, and the best part of the Clinton Admin weren't an illusion. No matter what happens,this is all very sad. Flame away. This is how I feel.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. Whatever Hillary Does

Whatever Hillary does she will never be so stupid as to insult somebody and then apologize . The Pugs made Pete Stark look like a little kid... I probably wouldn't have called Bush* an asshat on the House floor but if I did I wouldn't have apologized ...Gawd, that's embarrassing... At that point I would have stood on principle and taken my lumps...

But that's not as embarrassing as sending Rush a nasty letter and having him auction it off for two and one half million dollars...

We were PWNED... If you don't know what PWNED means please google it...

[ginchinchili]

92. A nice summary on my--and many other's--fears concerning a Hillary candidacy

We have a very real reason to be concerned. She's just too easy for too many Americans to dislike. We can't afford that right now and it doesn't make sense to nominate her when we have better qualified candidates to choose from. Her candidacy has to be nipped in the bud by all concerned Democrats. I don't appreciate having a choice stuffed down my throat. That's why so many Democrats are threatening not to vote for her.

[Think82]

60. Biden would annihilate any republican...

maybe we should nominate him?

[ginchinchili]

93. He has the best resume and a personality that would be hardest for Repubs to tear down.

He makes all the Republicans who are running look like--if I can borrow a phrase loved by Repubs--metro men. I could throw all sorts of strategic reasons to support a Biden nomination, but quite frankly the one reason that matters most is that he's in a better position to do more for America than anyone else. He'd make the best president.

[zabet]

3. I disagree.

Not every American has the deluge of political information
foisted upon them daily like DUers and other political site
members. We, as a whole, are a small percent of the voting
populace. When I speak to people who get their info from
MSM, I mostly hear - 'We are sick of lying Republicans'.
Taking in mind that the area I live in is Red, this is quite
a shift.

WE HAVE NOT LOST 2008.

[crim son]

8. Even if we win, we lose,

if indeed the past is the best predictor of the future.

[BobRossi]

4. Right you are.

We have been punked. I won't vote for a single incumbent.

[Buzz Clik]

6. I see. So .... which Dem is going to lose to which Republican?

I find all these predictions of doom so hard to keep straight.

And should I just stay home on election day? Or not vote in the primaries?

And will you no longer be posting in political forums until after the election?

[Virginia Dare]

7. The current polls do not support your hypothesis..

but we'll see.

[truebrit71]

9. Let's wait until it's stolen again before we give up okay?

...

[soothsayer]

10. astrologically speaking, a dem will win. According to political and economic cycles, tho,

there will be 4 more years of fascism, so I'm figuring it's Hillary (or maybe Obama) who will win. But we also will win in 2012, and then things get really groovy! No more fascism!

The right already has practically conceded that we will sweep in 2008.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

55. 2012

Isn't that also the Big Year in the Mayan calendar?? The "end of the world"? I am prone to think the "end of the world" is really the end of it as we have known it -- corrupt, destructive, anti-regular folk. Here's to a better, improved world in 1012! :toast:

[xxqqqzme]

76. Yessirree, December 20, 2012

that's the end of the world according to the Mayans.

[Apollo11]

11. Paging Al Gore !!!

GORE-OBAMA 2008 :patriot:

(That's assuming Obama goes on Meet The Press and states that not only does he have "some gay friends in red states", but gay rights are human rights and all Americans must be equal under the law.)

www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com
www.americaforgore.org

:kick:

[Sukie1941]

12. So, what do you suggest be done?

What can be done and who should do it?

I think the last thing our nation needs is impeachment of anyone. It is time consuming and costly.

How do we get rid of Pelosi and Reid?

[Riddler]

29. Sorry if the reality of the matter upsets your little carts.

But if anyone here can show me how Pelosi and Reid have been good for the party, post away.

We have a president with some of the lowest approval ratings in history, yet we have a congress whose ratings are even more dismal. As weak as he is politically, he still gets his way and calls the shots, and even though those shots are against what the majority of americans believe or want, our "leadership" is powerless to do anything about it. Instead of standing up for us, they bow down to them.

As for Hillary, I support her and think she would be great, but I just don't think she can win. That's my opinion, and I'll thank you to allow me to have it, as you have yours. I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but that's my gut feeling right now. The republicans have already tried to undermine the electoral vote in California, and have done god-knows-what behind the scenes to steal another election. It concerns me that polls already show that 50% of the people would not vote for her. That doesn't leave too many votes that would need to be stolen to insure another republican win. How she fares against any of the republican candidates means nothing if she doesn't have a large enough approval rating to make the election steal-proof. A close election is not an option for us. This is not intended to bash her as some have suggested, it's just my personal opinion that she won't win.

Every day I come on here and I see at least a half-dozen posts bashing Edwards, 5 or 6 more bashing Obama, a few more denigrating Kucinich, not to mention those bashing Hillary. If you take my concerns as "bashing", then your minds aren't as open to the discussion of real concerns as I once thought this forum was for.

And if anyone can tell me in what way Pelosi and Reid are HELPING the party, I'll eagerly wait in anticipation.

As for the suggestion that I'm a troll, well I suppose it's much easier to label those you don't agree with than it is to debate and discuss your differences as an adult.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. LOL

"We will nominate a person who will not win if we nominate Hilary. The right has been assassinating her character for 15 years, and if anybody thinks Karl Rove is retired and not sitting in a room somewhere concocting every evil campaign trick in his shit-for-brain mind to pull out against her, then they aren't dealing with reality. They will destroy her and have 15 years worth of tricks up their sleeves to do it because the public and the media are too stupid to realize what is true and what is manufactured."


I put my money on Hill and Bill when it comes to a fight...They're Michael and Don Corleone when it comes to playing political hardball... Rudy is Sonny on his best days and Fredo on his worst...All the other Rethugs are Fredo as well...

[burythehatchet]

114. It's interesting how you consistently reference a crime family as political ideal. n/t

[cali]

14. I hate to say it, but you don't have a clue

if it's true. You're simply blowing hot air, as we all are, when we try and predict an election over a year away.

[Lerkfish]

43. and yet, that never stops HRC supporters when THEY are predicting elections

so why is it not ok when others predict elections?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Because They Rely On Facts And Evidence Perhaps And Not Anecdotes And Emotion

DSB

[Lerkfish]

54. they have facts on future elections?

amazing.

and they don't use emotion?

wow.

so, are they employing psychics or have they perfected time travel?

[robinlynne]

68. go lerkfish.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. Is This A Basketball Game?

:crazy:

[Lerkfish]

82. if it was, you're losing.

what "facts" do you have on future elections?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. Only If It Was Fixed

DSB

[Lerkfish]

88. then what facts are you referring to?

unless you're implying HRC will fix the election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

90. All Right

She is running a flawless campaign...She's part of a ruthlessly effective political machine which is determined to win by any means necessary...She has one of the largest primary leads in the history of polling...Please don't give me Howard Dean...He was leading his next closest Democratic opponent by four points at this time in 2003...Hillary Clinton is leading her next closest Democratic opponent by thirty points!!! She is beating all her Rethuglican opponents by margins outside the margin of error?


Could she lose?

Any thing's theoretically possible....

Since we're talking about basketball , if HRC was a basketball team she would be the Spurs, Mavericks, or Suns and her opponents would be the Philadelphia Seventy Sixers, the Charlotte BobCats or the Atlanta Hawks...

[Lerkfish]

94. sorry, but you were being intentionally misleading

you claimed you had facts when I pointed out that HRC supporters keep claiming to predict the outcome of the election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. I Used Data And Reason To Build A Coherent Argument

I am a trained in the social sciences. We use data and logic to understand, analyze and predict behavior...

If you were honest you would admit my argument was qualitatively different than the argument I hear on this board, with great regularity, that Hillary can't win because everybody hates her...

[Lerkfish]

99. well, I AM being honest when I point out that your claim of "facts" is false

in regards to who will win.

and whether your argument is better or worse than others wasn't the point. The point was you said you had facts. All you have are poll results. If poll results were facts, Kerry would be president now.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

100. I'm Sorry But That's Not The Case

Bush* was clearly was leading Kerry in alomost every poll



http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

[BootinUp]

101. B..b...but

the election was stolen! Kerry did win! /sarcasm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

102. Please Don't Put Me In That Brier Patch -:)

Folks are entitled to believe what they want to believe...

[BootinUp]

104. guess I'm in an

obnoxious mood. Sorry. ;)

[Lerkfish]

107. you still have no facts

nice attempt at deflection, there.

[LanternWaste]

121. maybe you're doing both... really well.

Actually, rather than honest-- you're coming across as petty and a bit puerile. Yet, as neither precludes the other, maybe you're doing both... really well.

[maxanne]

98. you're forgetting

how very much she is hated by Joe and Josephine Average.

Hillary as the nominee ensures a GOP win.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

103. How Can I Reject Such A Fact Fulled , "Objective" Argument?

Easily

[cali]

56. I've written both posts and an OP

against that. What's your point?

[Lerkfish]

83. if my comment doesn't apply to you, no need to heed it.

simple. Unless you think you represent all HRC supporters.

[cali]

117. All you do is innuendo and evasion

I responded to a post of yours directed to ME. And you know frackin' well that I don't support Clinton. As I said, innuendo and evasion- and sometimes outright prevarication.

[Lerkfish]

118. I suggest you put me on ignore and move on with your life

you're obviously wound too tight for rational conversation.

[cali]

119. As I said, innuendo

and smear. Your favorite seems to be publically accusing me of being mentally unbalanced. And I don't put people on ignore. Nor do I make gratuitous attacks on their mental stability. But hey, go for it. It only reflects on you.

[Lerkfish]

122. no problem.I'll just reverse that and put you on ignore

whatever goes towards more rational discourse.

[cali]

123. There. See? An easy solution.

Happy to be put on ignore by you.

[TwilightZone]

15. That must be why our top candidates are all ahead of the Republicans in the polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

Hillary, by the way, is the strongest of our candidates in the head-to-heads. See above.

Oh, and it's "Hillary". As you pointed out, she's been in the public eye for 15 years. That should have been enough time to figure out how she spells her name.

Using Karl Rove and the Republicans as an excuse for disliking Hillary is misguided, at best. If you don't want her to be the nominee, just say so. The "oh, we shouldn't nominate her 'cause we're scared of the Republicans" shtick around here is getting a little old.

We spend more time picking apart our own candidates

Oh, the irony.

[Riddler]

37. Thanks for the thoughtful reply,

Sorry to upset you. My daughter is named Hilary, with 1 "l", so it's second nature for me to spell it that way. Next time I'll be sure not to invoke the ire of the spelling police when I'm looking for mature discussion.

[TwilightZone]

42. Upset? Hardly.

I noticed that you conveniently avoided my primary point entirely. Your doom and gloom don't seem to be supported by the available evidence.

[cuke]

51. It was a cowardly response

that focused only on the spelling issue because it was the only one that could be addressed without embarrassment

[LoZoccolo]

16. Thank you for your concern. n/t

[DS1]

17. I'll bookmark this ala MonkeyFunk and the great Nobel prediction

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. He Went Out On The Proverbial Limb For Sure

DSB

[BelgianMadCow]

91. *giggle* good thinking

[TreasonousBastard]

18. You might be right, but for the wrong reason...

our "ineffectual leadership" seems to be far less of a problem than the bitching and moaning about it.

Hopefully, DU, Kos, Smirking Chimp and other leftwing sites aren't a microcosm of Democrats nationwide, or we'd see a mass exodus of voters heading for the Green line, bragging about holding their noses, or refusing to vote at all because their personal favorite lost the primaries and they couldn't possibly vote for Hillary. Or whoever else who might be running.

[ShortnFiery]

23. Yeah, why don't these commie "left wing sites" just STFU and get in line, damn lefties!

:crazy: :sarcasm:

[rox63]

20. My "concern troll" radar is going off big-time n/t

[durrrty libby]

34. These losers start threads then never return to defend them

It's an epidemic

[Riddler]

40. And some can simply call others names instead of offering opposing views.

[durrrty libby]

45. I agreed with you see #22

[durrrty libby]

22. Yes it's all true. Please just roll over and die now. waa waa waa

:nuke: :scared: :nuke: :scared: :nuke: :scared:

[terisan]

26. If you hate to say it, don't say it. If we have already lost there is not much point in doing any-

thing. So why bother posting?

In regard to Pelosi and Reid, if they are not your reps they may not respond by mail.

You can demoralize people or energize them. Which do you want to do?

If I read your post as it is written, I might feel demoralized. When I change your language to be more positive and aggressive I feel energized. So I think you have a good commentary that could be a call to action but instead sounds like a script for Tokyo Rose.

[Riddler]

35. It was meant to be a call for action.

If my language was of doom and gloom, I'm sorry. Sometimes it's impossible to advance your position without taking a good, long, honest look at what got you to where you are to begin with.

[hisownpetard]

72. You don't inspire people by pronouncing them dead.

[Imagevision]

27. Hillary is too committed to big biz, but they always have run the country so whata ya gonna do...?

[tridim]

32. We're so doomed..

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMED!

[Marrah_G]

33. I'm not ready to give up, neither should anyone else

Frankly, there is NOTHING the RW would rather see then us give up and stay home. That is their only shot at 2008.

I expect we will see alot more "concerned" posts trying to demoralize the party into not voting.

[ContraBass Black]

36. I hate to say it too,

Particularly because that election is next year.

[Hersheygirl]

38. I have no doubt the dems will win in 08

The only problem is that we will continue to see the same as what we have now, but there will be hope for the future. By 2012, the people will have had enough and then the change will come. The people will finally have had their fill of corruption and greed and do what needs to be done and that is start with a clean slate.

As far as Pelosi and Reid, well let's just say, that when Bush and the rest of his thugs invade Iran as many are predicting, it won't be Bush and company that take the heat and are blamed, it will be Pelosi and Reid who get faulted, for letting it happen. And that will be the end of them.

[Stinky The Clown]

41. Telegram for Mr. Little. Mr. C. Little. Telegram.

[yodermon]

44. Correct for Congressional elections; Incorrect for Presidential.

HRC will definitely win. She has been blessed by the ruling elite (the corporations) and she will win because she IS their choice.

[Maribelle]

47. Even more fed up than with the corrupt Bush lap dogs? You're kidding, right?

Bush lap dogs are hated more than any group of corrupt politicians in the history of this nation.

When you write any member of the House you need to also put your representative in the To: area. The same is true if you write any member of the Senate. They are your direct contacts and you should receive a response from them. I always do - - democrats and republicans alike.

[tandot]

48. You want a little cheese with that whine?

Thanks for spreading more negativity and sharing your doomsday perspective.

[Wesman 85]

49. is anyone else concerned

about the impact all these stories about Chinese money being given to Hillary?

[tandot]

53. You must have missed point 2) of this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2125524


But thanks for your concern anyway :eyes:

[Wesman 85]

74. my bad

I did miss it

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

132. HA! You didn't really read the link tandot posted, did you?

Or else you'd be throwing hissy fits at her too.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

125. No, wait, don't tell me: you think she killed Vince Foster too, right?

And by the way, right now it does seem Hillary will be the nominee, but what baseless crap will you invent if it's Edwards or Obama instead? Gotta have the lies ready, just in case.

[Name removed]

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[EstimatedProphet]

126. No, I'm not concerned about the stories at all

Why are you?

Now, if she did take money from China, I would be concerned. But I would also be concerned if she was involved in a giant drug-running ring that covered the entire US froma cropduster airport in Arkansas. And she wasn't, so I'm not.

[Name removed]

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

131. Of most people, I don't know the intentions. Only of those who are extremely transparent. -nt

[Fly by night]

50. Not if Gore enters the race. Gore/Richardson '08 would carry 35-40 states.

So would Gore/almost anybody.

I just prefer Gore/Richardson: experience, empathy, earth-friendly (and earth-toned), intelligent, etc.

You get my drift.

[Froward69]

57. I concur

the spew from the right is a trickle now. to be a torrent from a bursting dam, If Hillary is the nominee I have yet to meet ANY female much less anyone who pays attention who supports Hillary. these are independents or undecideds. of Democrats their faith is blind,simply based on name recognition only. if you cannot name at least two other candidates you are voting on name recognition only. I tell all of them to look into more than Hillary, if they still support her fine. i have yet to hear back as to continued support. usually they go to Biden, or Edwards or Obama. if in fact gender is left out of the equation.

[CreekDog]

59. bogus alert: the old "I don't know anybody that supports"

Then you qualify it ten ways from Sunday, reducing it to females, non Democrats, unless they are uninformed.

You have created the biggest straw man that I have seen in a long time.

As Ray Taliaferro might say, "why would such an intelligent and educated person say something so ignorant and stupid?"

[Froward69]

63. I can only state

what I know, Hillary was here in Denver yesterday. Big head Todd opened for her. of those who listened to big head, about 2500 people. those who stayed to listen to Hillary >1000. The crowd was subdued. those I talked to couldent name two other candidates. All i can do is report what I see. At thins time in the race back in 1991, Bill drew 50,000 with out an opening band.

[CreekDog]

58. Trying to get rid of Reid and Pelosi IS CAUSING the infighting

You are going to unite the party by getting rid of leaders that have more support than those who oppose them?

Reminds me of a Bart Simpson quote:

"Wait a minute, I'm falling behind in school, so you put me in a class that goes slower???"

[AlCzervik]

61. D00d, cheer down!

[Perry Logan]

62. It's easy to refute your two main premises.

1) The Democrats showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years and backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time. They helped give Bush the lowest success rating in 50 years.

It seems quite hysterical to call them traitors, when--given their bare majority--they have done a pretty good job. That corporate media is messing with your mind, and not doing your emotions much good, either.

2) It's weird to hear people talking about Hillary as if she were a neocon, when you can easily prove otherwise. This WILL be on the final:

Polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%

[NMDemDist2]

64. yeah, well whatever

:eyes:

[alittlelark]

65. Get over yourself... YOU may be a 'wimp'...

but most in the Dem party are NOT.

Go join the Greens or go back where you came from.

[incapsulated]

66. Repeat after me: DU is not America

The democratic nominee will win, even if the party seems, to us, a joke.

Because the other party is, to everyone else, a bunch of clowns and criminals.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

67. Hey have you looked at the republican slate lately?

Losers! Please. We're taking this one.

[CyberPieHole]

69. It's 2007. The election is in 2008.

Don't you think your post is a tad defeatist?

[hisownpetard]

70. PSSSST! Hey, I hate to say it, but has anyone told you that the election is... not THIS November,

but a year from then???

[DrFunkenstein]

71. The Politics of Caution Failed Twice Already

I don't want another establishment candidate looking to sand down all the rough edges. I want someone real.

[Forkboy]

77. Can't give up...what else is there to do?

:shrug:

[J-Lo Biafra]

78. 16 recommendations. Hm.

[BootinUp]

79. This will surely help

:sarcasm:

[cuke]

89. Many don't want to help

They think elections are all about making them feel good

[kenfrequed]

85. Well

I would add Rahm Emmanuel and his DLC scumbags to that list. I honestly don't know how that guy sleeps at night.

[ozone_man]

86. I'm less worried about winning

and more worried about what kind of a president we win with. If it's another Clinton DLC administration, then it's back to the drawing board for me. Winning for the sake of winning has never been my way. Always principles first. Democrats have to return to the core principles that the Party was founded on.

[Odin2005]

87. WRONG!!! The Pukes are going to get their clocks cleaned and be sent out into the wilderness

Now go away, concern troll.

[calteacherguy]

95. I hate to say it, but you're full of it. nt

[burythehatchet]

115. mmm, an stutue use of pedagogy, Teacher Dude. n/t

[democratsin08]

105. you are way off base

hillary will win in a landslide. rudy, the repuke candidate is a joke

[Lerkfish]

108. and when she does not?

then what will you do?

[gateley]

109. Snap out of it! nt

[gateley]

110. SELF DELETE - DUPE

[ileus]

111. for a good time: vote hillary in 2008.

[AZBlue]

112. Most of America doesn't have a clue.

The media knows it. And each and every day that Pelosi and Reid are in charge, more and more Americans know it.

I've seen barely anything in the media complaining about the Dems and absolutely nothing being said among the general public. DU is not representative of the majority of Americans.

[Eurobabe]

116. I hate to say it, but you need to read "Clues that the thread..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2125524

[LanternWaste]

120. it's nothing more than your opinion...

"hate to say it, but it's true."

No it' not-- it's nothing more than your opinion.

My opinion-- Democratic nominee will win 55% of popular vote and 300+ votes from the E.C.

Both houses will stay in Democratic control.


(We're picking apart the candidates because there's a nomination process going on right now-- did you expect the supporters of all candidates to join hands and sing Kumbayah? Patience-- that will happen-- but only after the Democratic nomination is chosen)

Serious lack of patience these days in our youth...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

124. I See a 50.5%-48.5% Election-Ala Carter Over Ford...

We have to go back to 1964 to find a Dem getting a "true" majority of the voters...

But a win is a win is a win...

[LanternWaste]

127. Yes it is. And I'll take it over a loss any day.

"But a win is a win is a win..."

Yes it is. And we'll take it over a loss any day. I'm very optimistic about the 2008 elections.

I think once the votes for the Democratic candidate are finally tallied, the unity of all the Democrats will return and we can begin to focus on the actual opposition.

It's a long primary season, though-- and the internecine sniping is really beginning to frustrate me. But that's neither here not there...

[Carrieyazel]

134. But will Hillary be the one with the 48.5%? Most likely.

[Carrieyazel]

133. We'll definitely lose it if we go with the uninspiring, unelectable Hillary.