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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:03 AM
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Obama Should Repudiate and Cancel His Gay Bash Tour, and Do It Now
Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama ripped a page straight from the Bush campaign playbook with his announced upcoming three date barnstorm tour through South Carolina with notorious gay basher, gospel singer Donnie McClurkin. The Grammy winning black gospel singer's last effort on the political scene was his song and shill for Bush's reelection at the Republican National Convention in 2004. Obama has hitched his string to McClurkin's high flying gay bash kite in part out of religious belief (he purports to be somewhat of an evangelical), in bigger part because he's falling further and further behind Hillary Clinton with the black vote in South Carolina and everywhere else, and in the biggest part of all because he hopes that what worked for Bush's reelection will work for him.

Enter McClurkin. He's black, he's popular, and gospel plays big with blacks in South Carolina, especially black evangelicals, and many of them openly and even more of them quietly loathe gays.

Bush masterfully tapped that homophobic sentiment in 2000 in part with McClurkin and even more masterfully in 2004 again with McClurkin and the top gun mega black preachers in Ohio and Florida. He tapped it so masterfully that Bush's naked pander to gay bashing with the GOP spawned anti-gay marriage initiative in Ohio did much to win over a big chunk of black evangelical leaning voter to Bush.

In fact, the great untold story of the 2004 presidential elections was the black evangelical vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/obama-should-repudiate-an_b_69244.html
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:06 AM
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1. Have the Senator Obama fans commented on this disturbing development?
Do we know what Senator Obama's voting records like on gay rights, or even what his opinions are about gay rights?

Does he believe that marriage is just between a man and a woman?

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:32 AM
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6. I really don't care about his past right now.
I want to focus on this injustice. And see if he actually follows through.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:46 AM
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11. Well I mentioned his voting record and whatnot because
Going on the road with this anti-gay whatshisname, would seem a totally weird move....why would anyone who's pro-gay rights, THINK of going on the road with some oaf who publically bashes gay people?

Makes no sense.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:34 AM
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7. He's for civil unions, against same-sex marriage.
Just like Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards.

But things like this blurs the message quite a bit, sadly.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:42 AM
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9. Why would Senator Obama hitch his caboose to this anti-gay fellow then?
I must say I find it massively baffling.

Civil Unions, are okay, but myself I support gay marriage, gay people pay taxes too, so why should they be denied the same exact rights as heterosexual couples.

As it is, Civil Unions will do, but I hope sooner rather than later, gay couples can be afforded gay marriage and ALL the rights that come along with that.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:06 AM
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2. This is definitely another tally in the "DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA" column.
That and the fact he doesn't think Bush and Cheney have done anything serious enough to warrant impeachment. :wtf:
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 AM
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3. This is already on Americablog
John Aravosis' excellent blog. Which means, this story will be all over the GLBT press. Quickly.

Obama needs to decide whether retaining this person is worth the GLBT vote.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:10 AM
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5. Thats good to know, thanks for the info.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:09 AM
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4. If it comes down to fundies vs gays
do we have any doubt who will get thrown under the bus?
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:36 AM
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8. I don't for one minute think Obama is anti-gay.
but it looks bad. His political team is inexperienced.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:45 AM
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10. Many shades of anti-gay
Is he pro gay marriage? Is he willing to stand up in front of a crowd of bashers and suggest tolerance?

Obama's biggest problem is his unwillingness to take a firm stand on any controversial topic.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:50 AM
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13. You know, I have no idea what his statements have been previously
After the first hoopla about him, I've tuned him out. I don't plan on voting for him.
He has zero chance in my state, and I just don't like his preachiness.
It's a real shame what he is doing on the barnstorming tour. I had hopes for him.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:55 AM
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16. Me too
I've just seen him buckle too many times to special interests.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:51 AM
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14. Obama's biggest problem is his unwillingness to take a firm stand on ANYTHING
He's a "stick his finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing" type politician.

He's ALL image and NO depth.

Vote Hillary Clinton 2008! Let's put the ADULTS with EXPERIENCE back in the White House!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:54 AM
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15. I feel the exact same way about Hillary.
She's a "stick his finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing" type politician.

She's ALL image and NO depth.

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:58 AM
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17. Hey you, did I tell you already that I'm....
....




















Supporting Hillary Clinton for President? That's Hillary Rodham Clinton for President in 2008....Hillary will be Number 44, I feel it in my water....my waters good too!

:)

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:04 AM
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22. Well, I had an inkling that you might be.
:)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:11 AM
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24. Ya did?
Can't imagine why!

:P
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:08 PM
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48. no he's not
He's against marriage equality. He is in favor of "civil unions with all of the legal protections."

So - why not just call it marriage?

hmmm.......

It seems to me that if he were truly in favor of equality, he'd be able to say the "m" word.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:48 AM
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12. "His political team is inexperienced"
Another reason to support Senator Hillary Clinton then.

Not only is Senator Obama inexperienced and wet-behind-the-ears himself, so are his political team.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:00 AM
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18. Earl Ofari Hutchinson is a venomous Hill Shill
He mentions nothing about how Donnie Whogivesashit was a singer with Bill Clinton's various rallies. He's pimpin' for Hillary and doing it ugly. I've seen the other Hill Shills here saying that was "before he..." what the hell ever. I call this whole thing bullshit.

Bill "Defense Of Marriage Act" Clinton has proven he's much less of a friend of the LGBT community than Obama. Since Hillary needs to borrow her cheating husband's resume for validity, perhaps Mr. Hutchinson could address that issue as well.

Don't count on it.


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:01 AM
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19. Brought to you by a venomous Obama Shill.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:03 AM
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20. You're always good with the sophmoric cheap shot
That is your special talent.

Any idea when the Clinton campaign is going to apologize for using Donnie Whogivesashit in Clinton rallies in the past?

:shrug:



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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:06 AM
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23. Speaking about being cheap
Hows that Russ Feingold endorsement going? When shit is posted, you can bet it's going to be called on.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:13 AM
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25. The latest I heard....
...was that Feingold either wasn't ready to endorse anyone or that he would endorse Obama as the primary season gets closer.

I had heard from some people in the campaign who said it was a done deal, but since I'm not Russ myself, I can't read his mind.

You can be certain he won't endorse Clinton.


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:16 AM
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27. And I don't believe anyone ever said he would.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:14 AM
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26. The "Clinton did it too" excuse is no excuse.
"Donnie Whogivesashit" is around Obama's neck at the moment, and no one put it there but himself.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:18 AM
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28. More importantly, Clinton did not "do it."
The guy was just a gospel singer when he appeared at Clinton events.

He didn't become an outspoken anti-gay pastor until 2002.

So there's no "there" there. He was not a controversial figure at the time.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:23 AM
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29. Point taken and understood.
:)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:31 PM
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36. The Obama fans are getting like a Cult....they're getting scary
They're starting to get obsessive and ugly and Cultish like the W fans.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:49 PM
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38. Is that a surprise?
Just look at who Obama is courting in South Carolina, the bigot tour!
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:55 PM
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40. That's true
D'oh! Looks like Obama's shot himself in both feet this time!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:04 AM
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21. Nice dishonesty: "was a singer with Bill Clinton's various rallies"
He didn't become an anti-gay crusader until 2002.

That's about like criticizing someone for appearing with wife-killer OJ Simpson in 1975
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:34 AM
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30. The whole notion that Obama is supporting a "Gay Bash Fest" is utterly dishonest
So one guy who apparently is a good singer who has an opinion I am absolutely certain that Obama would disagree with who is singing with dozens of others makes the whole rally event "a gay bashing fest"?

Talk about dishonest bullshit...

Should bands that play at rallies be checked to see if they had DUIs, smoked pot, had sex with multiple partners or some other "moral purity" test for fear that the campaign who just wanted them to fill some space with music be labeled as "pro-drunkard", "pro-drug abuse", etc.?

Donnie McClurkin will not have a chance to turn the rally into a "gay bash fest"... he's going to sing some song and then the next act comes out. I wish McClurkin wasn't so confused about his sexuality and wants to overcompensate, but if he sings at the rally, I hope he gets enlightened from the experience that people are people.

I'm also certain that even if Obama decided to tell McClurkin to take a hike, the same people here and elsewhere making it an issue would just hunt for some other bullshit issue.

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:47 AM
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31. He's headlining the bigot tour in South Carolina.
Nothing dishonest about that!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:58 AM
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32. Here we go with the "bigot tour" meme
One guy who will only be singing out of dozens of other singers and it's a "bigot tour"... yeah... that's credible. :crazy:


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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 11:59 AM
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33. Hillary should divorce Bill He appeared on stage with Donnie 9/15/07
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:09 PM
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34. You are such a hypocrit
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:33 PM
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37. You know Obama hasn't got a snowball's chance of beating Hillary Clinton
That's why you're going into Hate-Fest Overdrive.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:51 PM
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39. Tell me how many nights Donnie McClurkin sings at the events?
Do you know?

As for Clinton, she'll drop out February 6th. Losing the first four states and getting horrible results on February 5th will be her undoing.

I look forward to that.


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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:57 PM
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41. Lol!
Hillary will drop out on February 6th?

Nah....President Hillary Rodham Clinton is getting Inaugurated on January 20th, 2009.

AND you KNOW IT!!!!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:01 PM
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43. Yeah...OK...
Let's let the voters decide...shall we...

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:16 PM
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45. Yeah
We can let the voters decide....and the voters WILL decide to choose Hillary Clinton.

Want to place a bet? I'll bet you $100, that it'll be Barack Obama that'll be dropping out, after Hillary sews the nomination up well before May.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:40 PM
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46. Before May?
I say by February 6th!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 02:54 PM
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47. Got a Pay Pal account...
I'll take a bet.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:30 PM
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35. Jaysus, that was UGLY
WTF? Is your problem?

Also:


"Since Hillary needs to borrow her cheating husband's resume for validity,"

You're talking about a former President there, you need to learn some manners and some damn respect.

Hillary has to borrow President Clinton's resume....huh?

What about Barack Obama's resume....Oh I FORGOT....Barack Obama DOESN'T HAVE a resume....he's just the typical novelty candidate who's never had an original thought enter his head.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 12:59 PM
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42. Let's just look at that...
Obama's legislative experience:

8 years as State Senator of Illinois
3 years as Senator of Illinois
___
11 years of legislative experience

Clinton's legislative experience:
8 years as Senator of New York

11 is a bigger number than 8, right?

If you count Hillary Clinton's record as First Lady, then you have to use her husband's resume. Or you can count her failed attempt at "health care reform" in 1993, leading to the 1994 slaughter of the Democratic Party thanks to her being at least part of it.

As for manners and respect for his own wife, perhaps Bill Clinton might have thought about that when he was getting serviced by an intern in the Oval Office. I couldn't think of anything more disrespectful of one's manners and respect than that.

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 01:12 PM
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44. So....
8 years as a State Senator in Illinois....is more impressive than 8 years as a United States Senator, you know helping to craft and pass legislation for an ENTIRE COUNTRY as opposed to just ONE STATE.

Who cares's that President Clinton was getting blow-job's? I didn't care when it was happening, and I still don't care....fact is, President Clinton STILL was able to do the job that he was elected to do, and he was a really good President.

It was a PERSONAL issue, and it was nobody elses business.

I was talking about YOUR manners and respect, or lack of them.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:21 PM
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49. It's Beyond Sad
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 03:22 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
It's beyond sad that he has to crap all over a Democratic president to bolster his candidate's fledgling campaign... That's why his candidate is going to lose...Most folks rememember the Clinton years fondly...

I have stayed out of these "Obama and the homophobic gospel singer" threads because dirtying up other candidates isn't my mission here... If the shoe was on the other foot he would be all over it...



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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 03:24 PM
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50. The shoe isn't on the other foot and he's still trying to be all over it.
Going after Bill Clinton people do at their own peril. Just ask Republicans.
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