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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:26 AM
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Clinton in Court.
In a story that could likely go under the radar, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will be in court tomorrow (Sept. 7)...well, in a manner of speaking. More precisely, a California appeals court is being asked to reinstate her as a defendant in a suit. Paul v. Clinton features Mr. Peter Paul, a Hollywood-businessman-turned-bitter-campaign-contributor (see his site here) against the Senator, Mr. Clinton and several members of the Senator's campaign. Mr. Paul is being represented in his suit by the United States Justice Foundation.

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The bare-bone facts surrounding the case have to do with Mr. Paul's agreement to help raise money for Clinton's Senate campaign in 2000 (see his amended legal complaint for all the details here). Mr. Paul was the executive producer of the "Hollywood Tribute," a star-studded farewell dinner and concert tribute for Mr. Clinton that raised funds for Senator Clinton's campaign in 2000. Paul claims to have contributed at least $1.9 million to underwrite event expenses (which is considered "soft money" and provides a way candidates can get around the $2,000 "hard money" or direct contribution limit). In exchange for his donation, Mr. Clinton was apparently going to work for Mr. Paul and his companies as a rainmaker for one year. Mr. Paul's suit claims that Mr. Clinton committed fraud by agreeing to work but never really intending to do so, and that Senator Clinton was aware of this arrangement (and thus should be liable as a "conspirator").

A California district court disagreed with Paul, and Senator Clinton was dismissed from the suit based on a law that protects individuals when they are exercising their constitutional right to freedom of speech (known as anti-SLAPP provisions - California's law is here). Anti-SLAPP laws protect individuals against lawsuits that intimidate people into limiting their protected free speech. It often occurs in situations where the big guy (by threatening to sue) is trying to shut up the little guy (who then caves and limits his speech). Here, the court indicated that Senator Clinton was exercising her free speech and was entitled to protection from the anti-SLAPP statute (and, thus, she was dismissed as a defendant).

Paul is now asking the appeals court is to reverse the lower court's decision. In his appeal Mr. Paul claims that there is additional evidence to show that Senator Clinton violated federal campaign finance laws (which would disqualify her from receiving protection from the anti-SLAPP law -- the idea being that a person cannot get protection from the law if they are engaged in breaking another law). Paul claims that this video is the proverbial smoking gun because it shows that she directly solicited his contribution in violation of a federal campaign law (see 2 USC Sec. 441a(a)(7)(B)(i) here). The law states that "expenditures made...at the request or suggestion of, a candidate...shall be considered to be a contribution to such candidate." If the court first agrees to look at his evidence and then agrees with his argument, then they could determine that his contribution would qualify as a direct contribution to her campaign. It would then be subject to the $2,000 individual limit, which would violate campaign finance laws since it was greater than $2,000. Senator Clinton would be denied protection from the anti-SLAPP statute and would then be reinstated as a defendant in the suit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/malcolm-friedberg/clinton-in-court_b_63308.html
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:45 AM
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1. The words "was apparently" at the end of the 2nd para are very weak indeed.
He's suing over an unenforceable illegal contract that he can't prove Clinton consented to, with Clinton obviously knowing she would be in legal jeopardy if she ever did agree to such a thing. In other words, let's make a lawsuit dependent on accepting at face value that Clinton is one really stupid woman.

Whatever else one might think of her, she's not an airhead on that level, she's just not. Jerk.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:30 AM
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2. There apparently are an awful lot of "IF's" involved here. n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 05:44 AM
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3. They called the WH..They did the soliciting..
Just another "slimeball" looking for a Free ride..and the pungent odor of Obama/Axelrod standing in the shadows..

"Co-founder Peter Paul pled guilty to federal securities fraud charges for his actions while running SLM."

Stan Lee Media bio
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:28 AM
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4. I'm no lawyer
but that video sure seems to have teeth. Is that the new evidence?

(i) expenditures made by any person in cooperation, consultation, or concert, with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate, his authorized political committees, or their agents, shall be considered to be a contribution to such candidate;

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:48 AM
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5. The point is...who called who..Why do you think the case was dropped in the first place..
All smoke and mirrors..courtesy of the Obamarama camp..
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:54 AM
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6. I've read the entire complaint and the
corresponding articles he names in the complaint. Why did Clinton try to deny knowing this guy at first? Why didn't she disclose his contributions? I have nothing to do with Obama or his camp. I'm not a supporter of his. And I haven't seen Obama's name in connection with this in anything I've read.

Have you looked at the list of witnesses in this case? Someone did her a favor by dismissing it the first time. I think the addition of the video along with some of the depositions they may get is going to show some true colors of the Clintons.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:16 AM
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9. A complaint is just a bunch of assertions. You're jumping to
a bunch of conclusions, based on hearing only one side.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:18 AM
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10. Actually I was going by the statement
of her campaign people in certain newspaper articles along with the video that they finally got released. I've just said it looks interesting and looks like it has some teeth. Obviously I wasn't there and I haven't heard both sides.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:43 AM
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14. It's the players in the hit piece that are connect to the Barack Obama campaign.


And wouldn't it be nice if Obama was made aware of this slime, and put and end to it.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 08:43 AM
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7. the United States Justice Foundation is a conservative group
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=United_States_Justice_Foundation

dedicated to "advancing the conservative viewpoint in the judicial arena".

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this is bogus
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:12 AM
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8. It will be interesting to see
how they decide (Sept. 17th). That video is very compelling. It looks like Clinton will be going to court on this regardless as she'll be called as a witness even if she does get another free pass with the anti-SLAPP law. Still trying to figure out how she got away with it the first time:

Sen. Clinton was dismissed from the case April 7, 2006, by Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz on the basis of the state's anti-SLAPP law, which, under the First Amendment, protects politicians from frivolous lawsuits during their election campaigns, even though the statute was invoked by Clinton six months after the statutory cut off date and four years after she ended her election campaign.


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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:22 AM
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11. and it begins....
...they have dusted off the 90's playbook and are beginning to throw as much (BS) into the public eye hoping something will stick. The propaganda worked in the Clinton era, look at how many people hate Hillary and suggest that she not run because she is "devisive." She is only devisive because people buy the neo-con load of crap.

It is going to be a long season. I just wonder what else will come up from under the slimy republican rock?



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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:24 AM
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12. This case was in court
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 09:48 AM by JTFrog
on Friday, I don't think that's dusting off the 90's.

*edit as I don't think she was personally there.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:58 AM
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16. follow the money
right-wing nut jobs behind it.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:55 AM
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15. Then you get the 'candle lit' groupies..
who think they are hooked into a BIG one.. :rofl:

The morans are barely literate and tell you..We read the whole thing.
Then it's up to you to realize their reading comprehension level is that of brain dead fruit fly.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:01 AM
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18. The candle was supplied
by a fellow DU'er who asked that we pledge to use it until our troops are brought home.

At least I take the time to read instead of blindly devoting myself to a candidate.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:16 AM
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22. Nothing like getting mocked for wanting the war over.
Says a lot about the poster.Not that we need to know anymore about him to know what kind of person he is.Anyone who hides behind a dead relative when caught making a bullshit argument can't be expected to be very honest, very caring, or even a decent human being.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:30 AM
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13. Bookmarking this for after Sept. 17th.
I would suggest that folks actually read the information and watch the video as I doubt you are going to see much of this in the media.

I don't trust her, but I certainly don't underestimate her. She's got money and power on her side.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:00 AM
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:06 AM
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20. I guess insults is all you guys have.
I didn't base my finding this interesting on the article linked. I read the revised complaint and the corresponding newspaper articles, and watched the video for myself.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:55 AM
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21. Oh, sorry. I must have totally misunderstood your "bookmarking this" post.
My bad, or maybe not. :dilemma:
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