If you are vehemently NOT a Hillary supporter, and Al Gore endorses her, will that make you likely

[patricia92243]

likely to become a Hillary supporter?

I just wondered. Since most of us think so highly of Pres Gore, would his valuable input sway your opinion.

I know we will vote for whoever our nominee is. That is NOT what I am asking.

[Totally Committed]

1. No.

Absolutely not.

I would, however, question Gore's sanity at that point.

Just saying.

TC

[havocmom]

2. No. I will vote for the nominee. But I won't support HRC in the meantime

no matter WHO endorses her.

[Raven]

15. My feelings exactly! n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

3. Heads will explode.

As they will if Hillary wins the nomination and picks Barrack as her VP.

That will be so much fun to watch.

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[ronnykmarshall]

11. Oh lighten up, Francis.

Jesus Christ.

Actually whats more fun is watching people have shit fits and pass judgement on people they don't know!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

12. How were you right?

That they're not overly sensitive and dramatic people that have a modicum of humor about them? Here's guessing you're not a Hillary supporter. Not that I'm one either, there was just no reason for your ridiculous outburst.

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[ronnykmarshall]

26. Oh dear.

[saracat]

28. That is just nasty and wrong! People can support who they wish without name calling!

[Balbus]

34. Watching this meltdown of yours is already entertaining enough.

I can't wait to see what's next.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

36. ...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[jobycom]

18. I think he probably means it will be fun

watching those who drank the Koolaide having to come to grips with the fact that they were wrong about Clinton all along.

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. Who is Barrack? nt

[ronnykmarshall]

41. oopps

Damn lack of spell check.

[ProudDad]

51. Hmmmm. The two corporate candidates

I guess I just might sit that one out... :shrug:

I've had my fill of lesser of two evils...you still get evil...

[saracat]

4. No. and it is doutful he will.I remember what the Clintonistas did in 2004.

I won't reward that with a primary vote.I will vote in the GE for whomever the nominee if.I pray to god the Primary turns out well.

[ronnykmarshall]

8. The Clintonistas??

And just what did the "Clintonistas" do in 2004?

[saracat]

19. Read Terry mac's book .You do realize that all of Kerry;s staff were the same people that

now run Hillary's Campaign? These were the very same people that "advised " Kerry and JE not to respond to the Swift boaters and when he DID respond, muffled that response.The Clintonistas were brought in to "replace" the original staff. This was on the advice of the DNC Chair as they were closer to the General and doing well.It was as if they did not want Kerry to win.And Terry Mac, who is now Hillary Clinton's Campaign Chair, was head of the DNC and not even remotely interested in getting Kerry elected.He was much more concerned with Hillary's Senate race.Thank God Howard Dean is not a Terry Mac.A little research on these people does wonders!And I have actually been told this by some former staffers who were fortunate enough to be able to remain till the end. And then I did my own research.It was an uphill battle for them.I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee as any Dem is better than anything the GOP has put up and I do believe in party loyalty, unlike the Clintonista who are selfishly motivated but I cannot reward this action with a primary vote.I used to be an enormous Clinton fan.Heck I even liked the cat.I still have a pic of Bill and Socks but no more.I have a picture of Hillary from 92 on my fridge. This it saddens me.

[rinsd]

33. Bob Shrum is a Clintonista?

He has yet to work on a Clinton campaign.

Lockhart certainly was.

Sasso was an old time Dem with no strong Clinton affiliation.

Whouley worked on Clinton campaigns but he had been a longtime Kerry adviser.

And why would McAuliffe be concerned about Hillary's Senate re-election in 2006?

[saracat]

43. in 2004 Senate electon.And not Schrum, who was a disaster as well but

the woman whose name esacpes me and the other nameless ones in the inner circle as well as Carville who advised and then sniped on all the news shows.Some names I cannot mention but many Clintonistas worked that campaign.Many were "brought in by the Clinton people " allegedly to "help" and were not well known for working with Clinton.

[rinsd]

48. What 2004 senate election? Hillary ran in 2000, senators serve 6 years

Carville did not play a large role in Kerry's campaign.

"Some names I cannot mention but many Clintonistas worked that campaign"

Yeah I'll just take your word for it after your impeccable record of honesty here on DU.

:eyes:

[saracat]

52. Ah yes, my typo is dishonesty? No wonder you have no problem with the Clinton Campaign. .

And I do have an "impeccable record of honesty" here on DU and I resent your implying otherwise because I do not support your candidate.We can agree to differ but impugning my honesty because I made a typo and you disgaree with my statement is not right.Whatever.

[rinsd]

53. I fucked up.

I was in a heated argument with another poster with a slightly similar name and got mixed up who I was talking to.

We have had many arguments but you have not been dishonest.

Unfortunately the editing period has expired so I will post a reply disavowing my original.

[saracat]

57. Thank you rinsd.That was one of the most generous and nice responses I have ever seen on DU

You deserve a star for that! It gives me a whole new appreciation of not only Hillary supporters but you in particular.You rocjk! And Thanks agin.We certainly can agree to disagree and still be pals! :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:
Edited for more typos! Go figure!

[rinsd]

54. I disavow this portion of the message as it was said in anger and directed at the wrong person

"Yeah I'll just take your word for it after your impeccable record of honesty here on DU"

To my knowledge saracat has been a passionate and honest advocate for her candidate.

A lesson to always check you is in the line of fire before letting loose.

[saracat]

58. Thank you again rinsd. You too are an honest and passionate

advocate and I appreciate your posts!

[Forkboy]

82. That's a class move, rinsd.

:applause:

[LittleClarkie]

64. Which is why I agree with Madflo that the Florida primary issue

is designed to injure Dean precisely BECAUSE he is not a Terry Mac. They want him neutralized in time for Hillary's run for Prez.

I hope the primary voters are smarter than that.

[liberal N proud]

5. Is there some indication that Al is going to endorse Hillary?

[mike_c]

6. no-- I will never support the warmongering corporate tool candidate....

Period. I would hope that Al Gore shows better judgment than that.

[TreasonousBastard]

7. Endorsements don't mean much to me, and are...

usually some sort of local payback ritual. I'll vote for whomever I like and don't give a damn who Al Gore or anyone else tells me to vote for.

But, should such a thing happen I imagine the exploding heads here would make a big mess. The button with the little x on it is your friend and janitor.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. No.

I don't follow endorsements. I'm smart enough to support a candidate of my own choosing.

[Blue_In_AK]

10. No. n/t

[SharonRB]

13. It's a waste of time even thinking about it

There is no way on Earth Gore will endorse Hillary.

[station agent]

14. I would be shocked, then glad he didn't run. But it'll never happen. Al's no fool.

[xxqqqzme]

16. absolutely not.

[Adelante]

17. Nobody's endorsement sways my own judgment

I might take one into consideration as an added fillip to my calculations, but even a Clark endorsement wouldn't seal the deal for any candidate on my account.

[disndat]

20. No way

Gore would endorse HC unless she wins the nomination, and then Gore would either be silent or give a tepid endorsement.

[Warpy]

21. No. I am not susceptible to hero worship.

I don't support Hillary Clinton because of her policies and her basic philosophy.

Jesus could get down off the cross and support her and it wouldn't change my mind. Only a radical change in her policies could, and the former is more likely.

[Milo_Bloom]

22. I would no longer support Gore. (nt)

[crikkett]

23. You know, Kuchinich stands for what I stand for. So he gets my vote.

How difficult this is, and it really shouldn't be. I don't vote for someone because I'm told to. I think for myself.

Good luck to us all because there are a lot of sheep in this country.

[lojasmo]

24. No. EOM

[saracat]

25. As neither Clinton was really supportive of Gore, why would he? There are two sides to this

argument but in the end, the Clintons did not come through for Gore while Gore originally attempted to distance himself from Bill's scandal.But Bill could have done a lot more than he did.Gore did not speak to Clinton for years after 2000.He is not likely to forget.

[LeFleur1]

32. Clinton Did Not Come Through for Gore?

Please.
Gore's advice was to cut Clinton from his campaign, which he did. It was the worst advice he got. Stupid, in fact. That he took it shows a clunk in his judgement.

[saracat]

42. I agree and stated there were two sides to this! But at the end , Clinton did not venture in

when he was asked and their were other methods of help he could have given that he did not.That is why they did not speak for years. Even now, there is a "chill".

[karynnj]

49. No one knows what would have happened had Gore involved him more

The fact that he narrowly won and had it stolen in 2000 NOT making extensive use of Clinton, does not mean it would have been better to use him. In 2000, Clinton had a high JOB approval and a much lower PERSONAL approval (the favorable - unfavorable question). Gore DID speak of the accomplishments - especially those he was involved on. Remember one of Bush's most successful slogans was bringing honor and decency back into the White House. Having Clinton highly involved would leave the impression that he would still be involved in a Gore administration - at a point many people had Clinton fatigue.

Putting Clinton out on the campaign trail could also have taken the oxygen out of Gore's campaign. Remember how little he said about GORE in his convention speech - where he came out in a show biz type way with sunglasses? Most of his speech was on what a good job he did - and oh, yeah Gore was the VP. (He did much the same at Kerry's - after the "send me" stuff on Vietnam and little else about Kerry, some words about Edwards, then a comparison of his and Bush's terms.) This time it doesn't matter - his self interest and Hillary's match. (He also was not an Obama, a Jesse Jackson or a Mario Cuomo, when he gave the key note speech at Dukakis' convention. Clinton is fantastic when campaigning for himself - less so for others.

[meowomon]

27. NOPE!

[jefferson_dem]

29. I'm not vehement but not a Hillary supporter.

Gore's endorsement doesn't mean much to me...

unless he does the right thing and endorses my guy...

[amitten]

30. No. n/t

[mod mom]

31. I will NOT support Hillary Clinton or any DLCer. I find that scenario HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

[Superman Returns]

35. Gut Feeling

Why do I have a feeling Gore is going to endorse Obama?

[Indenturedebtor]

37. Nope

She'll still be a corporate shill who'll say anything to get elected. As much as I like Bubba, he did far too much to help big business at the expense of labor. She stinks of the same.

[Colobo]

39. Not at all. God can endorse her and I still would support Obama.

[Desertrose]

40. Nope. No way. Not happening.

Hope Gore doesn't endorse her but will make NO difference to me.

DR

[jzodda]

44. Not me....I only listen to my own counsel no matter how much I like Gore

I always have found it intellectually suspect when a person decides to vote for somebody based on what somebody else is doing or saying. It makes no difference to me how rich, or famous or powerful the endorser is. Choosing a candidate for me is a personal choice and I have to identify with the individual, not how many friends he/she has.

[ShortnFiery]

45. IMO, hell will freeze over before Al Gore supports HRC for the President.

Even if the planets align and/or Al Gore loses his good common sense and supports HRC, I still will NOT EVER VOTE FOR HER.

[karynnj]

46. No, nor would Kerry endorsing her

I would of course listen to their reasons - which I assume they would provide. I might be swayed by their reasons - if they are good. If either simply said that they supported Clinton, it would have little impact.

Note: I added Kerry, because I am a known JK supporter and including him was necessary to make the point. My support is not transferable.

[AtomicKitten]

47. That'll happen right after monkeys fly out of his butt.

[ProudDad]

50. Nope, gonna vote for Kucinich in the Primaries

Don't know about the General... I hope, Kucinich again...

[surfermaw]

55. I don't think Gore would endorse her!

I think from a few words I heard his daughter and wife say, that he is definately going to run himself.

[Arugula Latte]

56. Nope-a-rooni

(Just trying to think of another way to say Hell NO...)

[OhioChick]

59. No n/t

[illinoisprogressive]

60. Endorsements do not persuade me one way or another. I decide based on my own feelings.

[mohc]

61. If Gore endorsed Romney...

Thompson, or McCain would that make you more likely to support them? For all those Clinton supporters, I am in no way saying Clinton is like those Republicans...much (kidding!) The point is an arbitrary endorsement is fairly meaningless to those of us who have fairly well formed attitudes toward the candidates. While a Gore endorsement of Clinton is far closer to the realm of reality than Gore endorsing a Republican, it still seems quite unlikely. The implication in the question is that if Gore comes to endorse Clinton, then something must have developed to cause it to happen, and those same causes could bring others to support her. The problem is I just do not see how we get from where we are now to that situation, and it seems infinitely more likely that a Gore endorsement would come out of some less sincere creation.

All that being said, it seems Clinton is doing quite well without a Gore endorsement, and I do not even think a Gore endorsement of Obama or Edwards would change things much either.

[LittleClarkie]

62. No. And neither does being told she's way ahead in the polls

or that she's inevitable so I should just vote for her already.

Help, I have a Hillary stuck in my throat!

My estimation of Hillary wouldn't go up. My estimation of Gore would go down.

But just a bit.

Still waiting for HIM to get in.

[ileus]

63. I'm a Hillary supporter even if GW endorses her.

Once a clinton fan always a clinton fan. He treated me right for 8 years, and I look fwd to 8 more.

[Oldenuff]

65. Nope..I can't compromise my principals...but

I was going to suggest that she doesn't have enough balls to be Pres,but too many here might take it as a sexist statement..}(

As a friend of mine suggested to me:

Hillary has more Bush than balls,but she has more balls than Bush.

[Progressive Friend]

66. Nope

[ToeBot]

67. I'd just think less of Al Gore. nt

[LWolf]

68. No. Not a chance. n/t

[saltpoint]

69. Al Gore isn't going to be endorsing Senator Clinton, IMO.

Al does his own thinking and he could surprise me, but I think there is a greater likelihood that he will be a candidate than not, and if he is, it might prompt your question in reverse. Will nominee Gore receive the endorsement of New York's junior senator in the 08 race?

If Gore chooses not to run, I don't see him endorsing Senator Clinton in the primaries.

[ludwigb]

70. Yes

I respect Gore's opinion. It won't sway my opinion, but it will make me more likely to vote Clinton.

[elizm]

71. No. nt

[Ethelk2044]

72. Hell NO

[More Than A Feeling]

73. If Gore AND Feingold endorsed her, that would give me pause

but Gore by himself...no.

[Redneck Socialist]

74. It will likely make me think less of Gore. n/t

[saltpoint]

75. I believe that Al Gore and Hillary Clinton have distinctively disparate

views of the direction the Democratic Party should take from this point forward.

Gore endorsed Dean in 04. I don't think the HClinton folks are terribly fond of Howard Dean generally and as party Chair especially.

[Bread and Circus]

76. fuck no. actually, I love gore but I'm still flummoxed on his lieb choice

[saltpoint]

78. There were some sound demographics points to a Lieberman pick on

that ticket, although certainly I was for Kerry as the veep nom.

Florida becomes more competitive with Lieberman on the ticket. Gore wanted vote-rich Palm Beach County.

Lieberman had spent a good deal of time on the Senate floor railing against evil Hollywood and there was some affinity for him among moderate-conservative Christians who were slightly to the left of their congregations, and just couldn't bring themselves to vote for Bush. States like Iowa were destined to be close calls and I expect Gore wanted Iowa to go blue.

That said, as questionable as he was for the 00 ticket, Lieberman's not even in the party now.

Gore himself has evolved a lot. Gore was nowhere to be found during Lieberman's Senate race this year. No primary endorsement and certainly no general election endorsement.

[Imagevision]

77. Are you kidding??!! - Gore certainly endorsed lieberman as VP. so ask yourself

about what matters if Al endorses Hillary, does that mean he;'s right,...this time? If JFK was running today, the MSM would treat him the way their handling Obama

[Vidar]

79. Nope, even Al make occasional mistakes.

[Raejeanowl]

80. Maybe

As I view the leading candidates right now, it would sway my opinion in her favor, but it isn't a guarantee of my primary vote.

[illinoisprogressive]

81. the only endorsement that matters to me, or will make me vote for someone is

ME