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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:50 PM
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The GOP Fears Dennis Kucinich The Most
They only want you to THINK that they believe he is a Harold Stassen-like self promoting, serial candidate who has scores of liberals fooled into thinking he is the second coming of George McGovern.

The reality is they fear he would win in a landslide, a Kucinichslide if you will, thus they dismiss him and demean him as an unelectable hack, in the hopes that the centrist, mainstream voters who decide elections will never be able to hear DK's message, a message the Repukes know the mainstream voters would respond to in lemming-like, overwhelming numbers. If only they could hear it.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:52 PM
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1. Sorry to disagree.
I really am.

Kucinich has honed his game tremendously since last time he ran. He has kicked some butt in the debates.

The problem is when he talks about karma and things like the 'equal sign inside a heart,' corn-fed middle America looks at him like he's from another planet.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:53 PM
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2. Dennis makes the rest of the candidates look stupid except
Edwards
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:55 PM
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4. Corn-fed middle america keeps re-electing him. n/t
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 04:05 AM
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32. I'm sorry to burst your bubble...
But Cleveland has more in common with the major east coast cities, high ethnicity, manufacturing and service based economy, than the rest of the midwest...

Now Columbus, well that's a cow town...
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:01 PM
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8. Not this corn-fed middle American.
In fact, many of us out here in middle America are far smarter and enlightened than most people think.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:13 PM
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15. hey
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 10:15 PM by AtomicKitten
Sorry if my elitist West Coast descriptive adjective sounds out of line.

I am California born and raised and Red State America is completely foreign to me.

No offense intended. Cheers.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:22 PM
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18. Yeah
I tend to jump because we catch so much shit. People are different everywhere and you know, just because a lot of them vote Republican does not mean they are bad or stupid, uninformed maybe but...

I know you did not say any of that and I am sorry I jumped like that. Actually I usually get really mad but it has been so hot that I am just stupid by this time of night!

Cheers back at ya! :hi:
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:03 PM
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9. the problem is that America believes in its own myths
and doesn't really care much to look in the mirror. When America is ready to look at itself, then it will be ready to take a candidate like Kucinich seriously.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:09 PM
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12. indeed that paradigm could use an overhaul (nt)
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 12:14 AM
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24. I'm from the Midwest too, and support Kucinich
In fact, Kucinich is far to the right of me. :-P
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 03:31 AM
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30. Sorry to disagree. but Americans like a straight shooter.
Why else was Reagan popular. He covered up his real agenda and was a straight shooter. DK speaks to the Reagan Democrats because he speaks to their interests. Why do you think Hillary has such high negatives among the American centrist voters. She is no straight shooter. DK goes on the attack with Guilianni in a debate , it'd be hoot.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:53 PM
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3. No, I really don't think so.
Not to diss Kucinich -- I like him -- but I really don't think the GOP worries about him at all.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:58 PM
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7. I don't think they worry about him either,
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 10:00 PM by GreenArrow
but they -- as with many corporatist Democrats -- do worry about what he represents.

As for the true "self promoting " candidate, that'd be John Edwards, and they don't much fear him either.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 03:37 AM
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31. Then why did they invest so much cash in the Fall of
2006 to see him defeated in his Congressional race. News reports attributed that infusion of money against DK came straight from Rove's orders.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:56 PM
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5. Dennis who? nt
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:58 PM
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6. Uh-huh.... are you equally afraid of Tancredo?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:07 PM
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10. If you support Kucinich, get out in the street and prove yourself
You will get very few people here to support him for President even though they may agree with him on a number of issues.

If you have the passion, start your own grassroots efforts and take it to the streets..not just on the computer. You'll find out if you can handle the pressure and see just what people think.

I remember some wonderful people at the Fighting Bob Fest in 2003 that set up a big table and had stickers, t-shirts and played Kucinich speeches on a big TV. Bless them for their passion...you should do the same.

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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:08 PM
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11. They should fear Dennis
Dennis is coming dangerously close to putting together a political philosophy that is populist, practical, and saleable. Every time Dennis emerges onto the national political scene it is with a more polished presentation of a set of ideas which (if you watch carefully) evolves as the man learns new things and conditions change.

D.K. is a clear and present danger to them ... and he doesn't need to win the White House to achieve that status. A man with good ideas is always the greater danger ...

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:01 PM
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20. Exactly right!
A man with good ideas is always the greater danger...

And he has them, in spades!

I was very impressed by the speeches I heard him give in LA this last weekend...

:hi:
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:10 PM
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13. The corporations fear Edwards and Kucinich.
That is why the media conglomerates keep them largely out of the news. It's Hillary / Obama all the time. I would like to know what the candidates positions are on corporate Constitutional rights, of which there are none. The corporate lobbists own us all and all of our politicians except Edwards who has sued their socks off in the past.:dem:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:14 PM
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16. And they fix all the polls
everytime DK scores above a * in the polls, the Repukes make sure the poll numbers are doctored before the MSM reports them. They worry about Kucinich gaining steamroller-like momentum.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:48 PM
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19. one person took the bait.
happy now?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 03:11 AM
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29. LOL
:thumbsup:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:11 PM
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14. If They Were Actually Afraid of Dennis Kucinich
Blackwell would have arranged for him to "lose" his election.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:15 PM
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17. i like kucinich but i think youre way off the mark.
republicans are bullies and only fear those who they think can kick their asses. thats not dennis.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:16 PM
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21. The media certainly fears his ideas
I don't see the GOP wanting to have a campaign with Kucinich. He has a message. I do not see the GOP wanting to tangle with a candidate with clear well defined message.


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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:17 PM
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22. And he isn't easily intimidated either...
He knows how to stay on message...

And that's dangerous to the GOP...

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:18 PM
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23. Stop, you're killing me!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 12:15 AM
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25. I don't think the GOP
is losing any sleep over fear of Kucinich being elected.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 12:24 AM
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26. Too bad we don't have instant runoff voting!
I think Dennis would kick some butt with that in the primary.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:19 AM
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37. If by "kicking butt" you mean being the first to be eliminated
You might be right
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:16 AM
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27. He speaks plainly, and a hidden hoard are ready enough.
If we had some far leftists in the news to make him look centered his campaign would be easier. But, even without that Reagan style tack, more and more I think he could pull it off anyway.

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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 03:08 AM
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28. divide et impera - GOP probably started half of the DK threads
Edited on Thu Aug-16-07 03:10 AM by BrightKnight
Nothing against DK but the GOP is not loosing sleep worrying about him.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 04:51 AM
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34. What's provocative and interesting and sometimes frustrating about
our country is that in one state, Ohio, some people are represented by Dennis Kucinich up in the NE quadrant and down in the SW quadrant there's Mean Jean Schmidt and John Boehner.

It makes for a strange democracy porridge. It doesn't taste the same to everybody.

Boehner's seat appears safe, despite his being a yes man for an absolutely repellent administration these last 6-7 years.

Dr. Wulsin almost defeated Mean Jean Schmidt and may get that done in 08. Maybe save a few bucks and send Dr. Wulsin's way. She's a great candidate and SW Ohio deserves better than Mean Jean.

Kucinich's seat is safe also, IMO, which is not only praise for a lifelong public servant like Dennis but also to the voters who keep returning him to Congress.

Why can't the districts in the SW part of the state make better choices? That's a partisan shot, of course, but what a strange jigsaw puzzle we are as a country.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 05:22 AM
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35. They fear truth-tellers the most, and Kucinich is a truth-teller.
Whether or not they fear they would actually lose the general election to him, they fear the damage he could cause them by standing there in the limelight telling the truth all year. They've got to discredit and marginalize him early on.

It was the same deal in the 2004 race. Dean was an unequivocal truth-teller. The GOP had to start in early on him, had to discredit him and create the public impression that he was a dangerously unbalanced wacko. They feared his message - the truth - much more than they feared him personally, or feared him as a candidate.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:13 AM
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36. uhhh...no.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:20 AM
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38. You're kidding right? This has to sarcasm.
"The GOP fears him", "scores of liberals have been fooled", "he'd win in a landslide". :rofl:

The GOP doesn't fear him, they won't even notice him until he can draw more than a 5% share of the democratic vote. You can delude yourself into thinking the poll numbers have been manipulated, the MSM is in a conspiracy against him, the DLC and GOP are staying up nights sabotaging him, BUT that <5% is reality (despite the frantic and emotional postings of his supporters here on DU).

Frankly the MSM is doing him a favor because if people really heard EVERYTHING he said, especially the woo-woo stuff, he'd be down to 2%.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:27 AM
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39. If the Repubs really feared Kucinich, they'd be saying they want him to run.
Edited on Thu Aug-16-07 06:27 AM by Perry Logan
That's what they're doing with Hillary, whom they obviously fear like death.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 08:15 AM
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40. I don't think so, because when it comes right down to it..
Americans don't want the truth from their Presidents. The last President who tried it was Jimmy Carter. Look where it got him. Besides, if Americans are as savvy as you are giving them credit for, they could seek out his message easily enough.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 08:17 AM
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41. oh please....get real n/t
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 09:13 AM
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42. I think that against a Repug, he is the MOST electable
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