Poll Suggests Hillary Winning Foreign Policy Arguments With Obama

[SaveElmer]

By Greg Sargent | bio

The new USA Today/Gallup poll contains an interesting set of numbers that suggest Hillary's winning the debate with Obama over foreign policy -- at least, if you define winning as being seen as the better choice to do certain aspects of the job of "commander in chief."

The poll asks who Dems and Dem-leaning independents think would "do a better job as President" when it comes to various facets of managing foreign policy. Here are the answers:

* International terrorism: Clinton 60%, Obama 33%

* Relations with nations that are unfriendly to the United States: Clinton 60%, Obama 35%

* The war in Iraq: Clinton 56%, Obama 36%

* The role of commander-in-chief of the military: Clinton 56%, Obama 36%

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/aug/07/poll_suggests_hillary_winning_foreign_policy_argument_with_obama

[wyldwolf]

1. Clintons / DLC control the USA Today/Gallup poll and Wes Clark is a sell out for taking her side

:sarcasm:

[Clark2008]

15. Ummm... actually, she took HIS side.

He's been saying for years what she only piped up about last week.

But... who's counting?

[wyldwolf]

16. Actually he took HER side. Was Wes Clark in a dispute with anyone?

[truebrit71]

29. Care to back that up?

Or is this just more useless cheerleading from you?

[Dawgs]

2. Those numbers don't suggest Hillary is winning the debate.

They suggest that most people think she would be better in those roles.

There is a difference.

Why don't they ask specifically if they know about her and his positions, and if they agree with them? Then we would know who is winning in this debate.

[Tellurian]

9. Hillary has won every debate she's been in..

The debate is focused on the actions of a potential president.
It's the only role up for discussion.

[Dawgs]

23. "Hillary has won every debate she's been in" - according to Hillary supporters?

[Tellurian]

28. Have the debates helped your candidates numbers?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

35. After every debate HRC goes up, Obama goes down. You tell me why

He entered the first debate with a 2 point lead in the Rass poll, left it 8 points behind. June debate? He had a 1 point lead before the debate in the Gallup poll and was behind by 12 in the next poll (2 weeks later, although memogate and Rezko also hurt him). And so on. Same thing with the last debate.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

34. How many BO fans do you think know where he stands on the issues?

This is a guy who was at 18% in the polls in November of 2006 and in the mid-20's right after he announced he was running...

[Ethelk2044]

3. All of the actual polls shows she is losing the debate on Foreign Policy

There have been several polls over the past week to state otherwise. I love how Hillary supporters try to spin. They actually do not think we have a brain to think. They also failed to believe we know how to read.

[William769]

5. Well one thing in your post are correct. NT

[Broke Dad]

6. Actually Hillary won the battle but lost the war with Obama . . .

Hillary's post debate potshots at Obama burnished her image as a Richard Nixon in drag. Nixon was experienced too. He ran the White House during most of the second term of the Eisenhower Administration. He narrowly lost to Kennedy. He could go toe to toe with the Russian bears. He bombed not only Vietnam, but Cambodia, Laos, Thailand and any other place where he was told the Viet Cong were camping. Brilliant paranoid asshole. Retired US Senator Bill Brady's comments about Hillary in the Woodward book make her seem exactly like Nixon, except even more spiteful and vengeful. One Nixon presidency in my lifetime is enough.

[Tellurian]

10. People are comparing Hillary to the other Clinton...

Bill Clinton. They know what we had during his presidency and are looking forward to getting it back.

[durrrty libby]

12. "They actually do not think we have a brain to think.

hey also failed to believe we know how to read."


Oh honey, I'm so proud of you. Admission is the first step toward recovery or in this case acceptance.

[Ethelk2044]

17. I am glad you are admitting to trying to smear Obama. To the contrary

I am able to read unlike yourself. I guess schools did not teach you anything and parenting did not teach you honesty as well. I know your parents are very disappointed all of their work was in vain.

[William769]

18. If you want to speak about honesty, then find someone ot speak for you.

Sorry but your credibility was shot a while ago.

[Ethelk2044]

21. yours went in the gutter along time ago. Along with the trash you post

around here.

[rinsd]

19. Seeing you lecture anyone on honesty and smearing just made my day.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Ethelk2044]

22. Which is more than I can say about you

[durrrty libby]

20. Jesus ...Your English is shit. In case you missed it...

In another thread you just blab out

”Hillary is full of Corruption"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3431821&mesg_id=3432033


What kind of person does that???? Not a wit of back up, just blatant libel

Apparently you are as big a hypocrite as your candidate.


"Obama finesses his lobbyist ties. Is his attack on Clinton hypocritical?"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3431893


PS My parents are dead, ya loon

[durrrty libby]

26. "I am glad you are admitting to trying to smear Obama"

The meds you are taking are causing you to experience terrible hallucinations

Just say no!

[Tellurian]

27. I've had

that poster on ignore for months.. your intellect will appreciate the vacation.

[durrrty libby]

31. You are of course correct. I should ignore her and illp

but sometimes they entertain me, and other people in the room often enjoy a laugh.


Anyway, I'm in a giddy mood today. I'm caring for a neighbor recovering from surgery. Many of his

friends are cooking, swimming and making him laugh, and all the polls DMC posted, give me joy.

:toast: :hi: :loveya:

[Clintonista2]

32. I doubt shes going to reply anymore lol

Toying with people of such little intelligence is so evil :rofl:

[durrrty libby]

33. I know and I am truly

ashamed :evilgrin:

[Alamom]

37. but you're so good at it.

:yourock:

[durrrty libby]

39. Well, I have some experience

with inmates. Dangerous and Dopey :evilgrin:

[rinsd]

14. Where are these "actual" polls?

"They also failed to believe we know how to read."

Sometimes they just write themselves.

[Ethelk2044]

24. TPM Cafe

Those seem like surprisingly wide spreads. Readers, thoughts?

Update: TPM Reader DG has an interesting rejoinder:

I don't doubt that at this snapshot in time Hillary is seen as better on these issues but I think that has little or nothing to do with the spat Hillary and Obama have just engaged in. It's simply perception among an uninformed lot. What I do dispute vigorously is the idea that Hillary's internal numbers on these specific questions indicate that she has got the better of Obama on these spats rather than simply being the general perception people have of the candidates. I strongly doubt that the disputes have moved the internal numbers you sight in her direction, especially when the NBC poll showed Dems agreed with Obama's position more than hers. Indeed, I doubt most people polled even know that this is Obama's position. No doubt, Obama needs to solidify these numbers but that's the whole point of fundraising. He will blanket Iowa, NH, and SC with ads to fix the perception as best he can.

Without more in depth polling, we can't really judge the extent to which the above numbers are merely holdovers from previously formed attitudes. On the other hand, one could interpret the fact that she continues to dominate on such questions despite the high-profile spats with Obama over foreign policy as a sign of a victory of sorts in and of itself. Or, at least, as a sign that she hasn't lost these arguments -- yet.

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[Tellurian]

7. Great ammo for the general...thanks..nm

[durrrty libby]

8. Religion is full of hypocrites. So what else is new? If this is important to you

start a thread. It has nothing to do with the subject of this one

[Cameron27]

11. I've noticed the same exact post in a couple of other threads,

he's not going to get anywhere by spamming the issue.

[jefferson_dem]

13. She does have better numbers than Obama with respect to those issues.

However, i don't think you can say she is "winning the debate" without seeing what those numbers were before the debate, right?

I would like to see longitudinal numbers in order to see the overall trend, if there is one.

[Bullet1987]

25. This is misleading...

first of all, it doesn't ask who you agree with in regards to talking to our enemies and nukes. It's just a broad question about foreign policy which she'd win anyway because she's won the others. So this has very little, if anything, to do with their arguments recently. Methinks you'd get a very different poll result if you asked whether or not we should talk to our enemies...because that's something the majority of Dems believe in.

[zulchzulu]

36. Over five months to change the perception...I'm confident it will

People are just getting to know Obama across the country. Focusing on the first four states and doing well or winning will change any perceptions people have this far out of the race.

I remember polls with Lieberman and Gephardt being seen as real players at about this timeframe in 2003. And they...not so much...

[draft_mario_cuomo]

38. What we do know is that after every debate HRC goes up, BO goes down

It is weird, since I thought BO did well in the last one, but happens each time...

[durrrty libby]

40. Mr Dawgs has so much bile to spew, yet when you ask him a

simple question, he disappears.

I just don't get these people

[sandnsea]

30. And Giuliani beats them both on those issues

So what value do these polls have really?