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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:18 PM
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Hillary summons Vilsak to do her bidding in Iowa...calls on Obama to "cease and desist"
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 04:22 PM by jefferson_dem
Gee..as if there is any doubt who is winning this little fracas...Hillary is now calling on her minions to help stop the bleeding.



DES MOINES – Senator Barack Obama has had the state of Iowa essentially to himself this weekend, at least among the Democratic presidential hopefuls. These days, a solo visit seems a rarity, with candidates often practically stepping over one another here.

But barely an hour had passed after Mr. Obama’s final public event here today – his plane hadn’t even fired up its engines – when Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign sent out an urgent notice to reporters: Tom Vilsack, the former governor of Iowa, would be holding a conference call to respond to Mr. Obama.

The issue at hand, not surprisingly, is the ongoing dispute between the two campaigns over whether the candidates would be willing to meet with hostile dictators during their first year in the White House. At the debate in South Carolina last Monday, Mr. Obama said that he would. Mrs. Clinton said that she wouldn’t.

And the fury has escalated ever since.

Late Friday evening, the Clinton campaign sent out a column from the Miami Herald, featuring an interview with Mr. Obama that seemed to be slightly at odds with what he said during the debate. Here in Iowa, though, the column got little attention, so a conference call was hastily arranged with Mr. Vilsack, who was prepared to re-argue the weeklong feud.

“It’s not the Iowa way,” said Mr. Vilsack, a national co-chairman of the Clinton campaign. Then, he called upon Mr. Obama to “cease and desist distorting the record of Senator Clinton.”

When asked about the curious timing of summoning reporters on a summertime Saturday afternoon, Mr. Vilsack dismissed suggestions that the Clinton campaign was worried about the remarks of Mr. Obama. (During three campaign stops in the state, he wove the story into his remarks, but he did so without mentioning Mrs. Clinton’s name.)

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/clinton-obama-duel-keeps-rocking/
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:21 PM
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1. The Iowa way...please
Taking big bucks in turn for an endorsement...that's the Iowa way, right Gov.? Hillary's making you work hard for the money.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:22 PM
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2. Did Vilsack arrive in a whambulance?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:25 PM
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6. Don't know. But here's an AP photo of him, taken as he whined to the local press...
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 04:25 PM by jefferson_dem
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:31 PM
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9. That's a keeper!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:24 PM
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3. Stop talking about his foreign policy strategy?
I don't get what he's supposed to stop talking about?

Everybody knows who said "stay the course". There's no confusion in Iowa, just a memory lapse is all.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:24 PM
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4. She should be worried. She should not have attacked him in the first place
next time she will worry about attacking him. She knows he will fire back. He does not attack unless he is fired upon.
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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 12:31 AM
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93. For someone who is so experienced...
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 12:34 AM by jackbourassa
...she made a very amateurish mistake.

The "front runner" never goes on the offensive first. Now she needs Vilsak to clean up her mess. She just opened the door WIDE OPEN for Obama to start pounding on her. I think he should.

Another thing, is it me or does Hillary seem to need a lot of help from other people in order to "win?" Doesn't seem like something someone "inevitable" would do.

I don't think Hillary is one-tenth the campaigner her husband is/was. She isn't very charismatic. She isn't very inspiring. She isn't that good of a public speaker. She is too quick to attack, turning off many people. She is the most polarizing candidate in the race. Now it seems that she is very thin-skinned as well - not capable of taking a small jab from Obama without melting down annd over-reacting and putting her own campaign in peril.

Why are we going to nominate her again?

And speaking of Bill Clinton...

...you just know that most of those endorsements for her came after Bill Clinton called them personally. It's just like the saying goes, "behind every good woman, is a great man."

Hey, wait a minute!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:25 PM
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5. she "summons" Vilsack
to "do her bidding"?

What is he, a flying monkey? And Clinton is what.....?


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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:32 PM
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10. You said it. Not me.
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 04:33 PM by jefferson_dem
:bounce:

Seriously...we all understand politics here, a little bit at least. Did Vilsak just suddenly get the urge to step up?

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Kingstree Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:36 PM
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73. Amazing, Hillary looks like the Wicked Witch of the West
I'm melting! I'm melting! :rofl:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #73
89. Except if you want to melt Hillary
hit her with a bucket of principles.

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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:28 PM
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7. He is working for the $100,000 her supporters gave to pay off his bills
Keep working Tom. You are going to have to put in a lot more hours to pay off the $100,000 you owe.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:29 PM
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8. I think she's learning that when Obamababy bites back...
...it stings a little. Still, I doubt she would call for a man and his big white horse to rescue her ~ someone else probably put him up to it.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:40 PM
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11. She will think twice next time.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:52 PM
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12. Cute: she starts false fracas, then asks victim to cease and desist
You've got to give her points for aggressive campaign tactics, but does this work? I thought the rule of thumb was that candidates who are ahead are not supposed to get into it with candidates below them ... it only gives attention and credence to the attacked candidate and make them look like they are more threatening to the front runner than they really are.

I truly don't understand why she picked this (manufactured) fight with him, except to show she is (a) a tough cookie, despite the coral jackets; (b) is tough (Giuliani style) on security issues; (c) isn't soft on black folk; (d) can lick all the kids on the playground.

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:36 PM
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45. Proof please? Not just chatter.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #45
60. Oh, I'm sorry. In the Amnesia world of Hillarycamp, there was no Sister Souljah.
Just like Al Sharpton still sticks to his story about Tawana Brawley being righteous victim.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:12 PM
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71. Anyone who can say
"I'm not saying there aren't any decent white people; I've just never met one." is not someone I'll pay attention to.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:23 PM
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80. I think she naively thought Obama would not resist her attacks....
Maybe she is actually believing the crap her kool-aid drinking worshippers spread.

Obama fought back much to her surprise. It was a wonderful opportunity for Obama who had, up until this point, trailed Hillary and if he attacked her he would look desperate. With her making the first hit, Obama can not only fight back, but he can use this opportunity to distinguish himself from her and bring up her IRAQ vote.

All of this is sad, for Hillary. I admit I am no fan of Hillary's but she handled herself very well in the debate. She had no need to start this bro-ha-ha with Obama after the debate. What was she thinking?!

Not only did she start it, but she argued a point that reinforced her similarities to Bush-Cheney's aberrant policy of not talking with enemies without prohibitive preconditions. Most of us saw a woman who had "fear" that talking with our enemies might make the USA look bad. This made Obama the one arguing from a position of strength and besides, most Americans and certainly most Democrats are in favor of dialogue with our enemies (it is something that has been part and parcel of foreign policy under Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Reagan). Beings as how Bush got us into Iraq with a unilateralist foreign policy that didn't even particularly listen to even our allies....Hillary's reluctance to talk with enemies shows her reluctance to do anything substantively different for fear of not appearing "tough".

Truly getting out of Iraq without disastrous consequenses, as well as preventing the entire Middle East from descending into an abyss, will require having a regional solution to the problems, and this will by definition require talks with Syria and Iran. This point has been argued time and again by Wes Clark, someone who argues for dialogue and a regional solution.

Maybe Obama could be described as naive. Fresh face would be a better phrase. Few candidates typify the old guard view of things more than Hillary, and looking for substantive differences from Bush-Cheney on foreign policy was not made easier by Hillary's Bush-Like reluctance to talk with foreign leaders.

Hillary tried to reinforce the Obama meme of being inexperienced. She stumbled and wound up reinforcing the meme that she is little different from the Bush-Cheney folks. What surprised her was Obama's unflinching determination to run with an opportunity. Maybe Obama isn't so naive after all. Maybe Hillary showed a bit of naivety in assuming Obama would back off.

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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 12:20 AM
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83. Do you know what I would really like to know???
Edited on Sun Jul-29-07 12:28 AM by discerning christian
Remember the man who initiated the question on You tube?? The one who was there in the audience with the microphone? He's the one who asked for Hillary's answer , once he was asked if Obama had answered it to his liking. I wonder what HE thought of Hill's answer, as compared to Obama's ???? Has anyone heard more from him? I'd love for someone to ask him!!!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #83
88. Geek tragedy found this and posted it yesterday.
Edited on Sun Jul-29-07 01:07 PM by hedgehog

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2007/07/stephen_speaks.html#more


"He liked Obama's answer, and he thought Hillary misconstrued what he meant by "preconditions" in acting like Obama had agreed to meet Fidel and Chavez with no diplomatic groundwork whatsoever. He said his question just meant there shouldn't be a requirement of a change in a country's behavior as a condition of talking to them."
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #88
92. Thank you!
I've been out of touch, and away from the "puter" for a few days. I saw the thread too late to edit, but I'm glad someone else out there thinks along the same lines as I do!! DC
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 04:59 PM
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13. Hillary is the one that started this spat, and now she is saying "Don't hit back at me, I'm a woman"
Hillary is always hiding behind Bill or her gender when she gets into a jam of her own making.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Playing the victim is a sign of weakness. eom
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:05 PM
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14. Oooooh, the might y VILSACK. I'm scared. eom
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:09 PM
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17. Like Vilsack, Al Sharpton is on Hil's payroll, I expect he is the next command performance!
Hillarycamp has bought a lot of endorsements. We are going to be seeing a lot of rent-a-politico on TV before this is all over.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:34 PM
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20. I believe she has bought Al too
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:39 PM
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24. I don't think Al has endorsed anyone yet
I've been waiting to see who he endorses.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. Al has been attacking Obama. Had Hillary on his radio show.
He does not have to endorse to make his feelings known.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:46 PM
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30. Sharpton is, however, a KNOWN whore for those who will do the most for him.
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 05:46 PM by ShortnFiery
Therefore, it may not be "a plus" touting the notion that you have Al Sharpton on your team. :shrug:
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:02 PM
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36. I haven't heard that
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 06:03 PM by ellacott
I follow him pretty closely to see what he's talking about. He's also had Obama on his show.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. Al is a political advisor to Hillary campaign
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 05:52 PM by IndianaGreen
Sharpton owns a political consulting firm. Hillarycamp hired Sharpton's firm to do "consulting" for the campaign. Kinda of when the Kerry campaign paid off Sharpton's debt back in 2004, then we had Sharpton question Dean about the number of minorities on the Vermont state payroll during the ABC News debate.

Sharpton does sell his services for hard cash.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
37. I hadn't heard that either
I'm going to have to make some phone calls.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:38 PM
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21. All her DLC buddies will be coming out of the woodwork too.
Her problem is that she herself is out of touch with the base, even though the base doesn't realize it yet.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. Also, HRC does not have the capacity to exude what can be considered "genuine warmth"
and *charm* that seemingly comes natural to her "husband." I was not ever "charmed" by Clinton but I can NOT dismiss the fact that his personality and mannerisms are very magnanimous. Truth is, you've either are blessed with the above traits OR you are not. There's no way to fake it. :shrug:

HRC does not exhibit any GENUINE warmth. She may be trying but still comes across as "guarded and robotic." The *tough talk* neo-liberalism that HRC is exuding is truly alienating The Democratic Base.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #27
50. The anti-Hillary contingent here in DU sounds just like Free Republic
Hillary doesn't exhibit genuine warmth?

I see you've got your marching orders from Limbaugh, Colter, et al.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #50
59. Bush labels his critics as terrorist enablers. Hillarycamp labels her critics as RW or woman haters.
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 07:28 PM by IndianaGreen
Haven't we had enough of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynastic bullshit?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #50
61. Thats funny
Coming from a group that can't take a little heat without playing the victim card.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #50
67. Awe, we're just giving our Liberal vice HRC's NEO-Liberal opinion... left of center politically.
Oh please don't refer to me as a "Hillary Hater" for that is so, IMO, passé. :hi: ;)
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #50
84. journalist3072, you don't get out much do you?


If you think that DU is anti-Hillary, spend a little time at all of the other major Democratic websites and you'll think it's a HRC-LoveFest over here!

Oh.. and if you think DU sounds even remotely like FreakASS Republic, then why the hell are you here?

This place is NOTHING like that racist/pathetic hell hole.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Vilsack IS one of her set of big DLC buddies...
That's probably why she's leaning on him.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:28 PM
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18. I agree with her, I am reminded of a kindergartner
who must have the last word.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #18
23. Hillary purposely misconstrued the question to slam Obama, according to questioner
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 05:43 PM by IndianaGreen
Stephen Sixta is the man that asked the YouTube question. He says Obama understood the question and that Hillary misconstrued it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3409678&mesg_id=3409678

Then Hillary accused Obama of being naive and reckless.

I think Hillary misconstrued the question on purpose in order to get a cheap shot at Obama, but it backfired.

This spat begs the question about Hillary's integrity. She had lied and twisted her "stay the course" record on the Iraq war in order to minimize damage, and now she pulls a rabbit out of Karl Rove's old magician hat in order to cut Obama down before he poses a threat to her coronation.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #23
46. Spot on.
It's chickenshit opportunism with unintentioned fallout.

At first, it seemed like a seasoned response to the folly of a neophyte, but with each reiteration it seems more disingenuous.

I'm tired of tough-guys, aren't you? Sure, as a woman she probably has to get some street cred for being strong, but this just comes off as bellicose bullshit. If she and her people have any sense, they'll drop it and let time bury it. If she needs to beat down any of the slightest opposition, she seems more Junior-like with each chorus: the inability to admit a mistake isn't a sign of forthright leadership and steadfast character, it's a sign of pigheadedness.

Are we witnessing the second act of a full-blown five-act tragedy here? It's already tiresome and she's taking on water, but if it continues it could get truly silly.

Taking a momentary turn in a debate gave her a tactical advantage, but belaboring the point just makes people listen more clearly and see her as playing games with language, seeming to adhere to Bush-like dismissal of dialogue with furriners and a relentless need to conclusively win everything and bring insolent naifs to heel.

She's in quicksand, and she needs to stop thrashing.

(Why I'm giving her any suggestions is beyond me; I guess it's just incredulity: I've been suckered to a certain degree that she's some kind of strategic whiz, and witnessing such utter foolishness stops me in my tracks.)

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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #23
63. That is a lie.
He did not say "purposely". He just said she "misconstrued".


"He said his question just meant there shouldn't be a requirement of a change in a country's behavior as a condition of talking to them." Well then, the question should have been phrased that way. It was not.

"Sixta said he felt both went too far -- Obama is not "irresponsible," and Hillary is not Bush-Cheney lite. “It’s a little severe on both sides," Sixta said. "In a way both of them are wrong. Maybe part of what they say is accurate, but they seem to be stretching it.”

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #23
69. Hillary's "integrity"
was fully on display last fall when she sided with Rove against John Kerry. She knew damned well what Kerry had meant and that the right wing was just taking it out of context and twisting it - but she joined in on slamming him anyway.

She was evidently already running for president then, even before the 2006 elections were over...
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #69
75. dang, you guys have learned well from the last few years
how to twist and spin. It is getting ugly around here.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #75
85. No, you misunderstand, I think
I was mostly positive toward Hillary until she sided with the right wing against Kerry. It was a really low blow, considering he was working his ass off to get Dems elected.

I had heard people say she was cold and calculating but that proved it to me. It instantly turned me against her, because now I believe she has no loyalty to the values that are important to me. If she would knife another Democrat on the eve of an important election, what will she do as President? I have to believe she will put preservation of her own power first.

This is my personal opinion based on Hillary's awful behavior. There's no twist or spin needed. I should also remind anyone reading this that Kerry himself defended Clinton recently when the right wing attacked her. I know absolutely Kerry will work as hard for Clinton as for anyone, if she becomes the nominee, because he understands what is at stake with the Supreme Court and would never let a personal wrong get in the way of the greater public good. Kerry is a better person than I am.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #23
86. the questioner would not know if Clinton purposefully misconstrued the question.
In fact, when I heard Obama's response, I gasped a little, as I thought it was not appropriate to agree unconditionally to meet with those specific leaders. And he may not have meant that, but that is how he sounded.

Integrity: good god. It sounds as if you are looking for reasons to hate Clinton. And anything that happens, is twisted to fit your cause.

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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:31 PM
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19. He really did some damage. cool.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Hillary was Heckled today in SC
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 05:39 PM by Ethelk2044
CNN showed it on TV. The person was removed.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. Expect to see this happen more often, especially with HRC's present Neo-liberalism rhetoric. nt
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:42 PM
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26. I'm lovin' this post and responses! :) nt
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. Me too. I hope they both implode and leave some room for
someone who can actually bring the country together on the right path. Both Hillary and Obama are far too corporate friendly for my taste. American REALLY needs someone who will reel in the corporate takeover.

:kick:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:55 PM
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33. Only one each, HRC is showing signs of wear and tear. When the DLC monster goes down
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 05:55 PM by ShortnFiery
it will lash out like a cornered rat. Let the dismantling of HRC and the DLC begin anon! :-) :thumbsup:
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:57 PM
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34. Sorry we disagree...
GOBAMA!
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NOVA_Dem Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 05:57 PM
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35. Uh Oh..Looks like their internal polling shows that Hillary...
F'd up big time and it's time to do damage control. I like the latest approach taken on by Obama that he's not AFRAID to go toe-to-toe w/ the world's dictators.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:08 PM
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39. The only plausible explanation for this is that Hillarycamp has internal polling showing
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 06:10 PM by IndianaGreen
that Hil has been hurt by the exchange with Obama.

This election is about selecting between a candidate for change and a candidate for status quo. Hil's answer puts her in the status quo column.

All the Democratic candidates want to change course from what Bush has done. The difference is that some want to do that by turning the page back to the pre-Bush era, while others are saying that the world has changed a lot since the Clinton era and that those solutions won't work anymore.

For example, Clinton's embrace of neoliberalism is a proven failure in terms of American jobs, and the world.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:10 PM
Response to Reply #35
53. Not surprising. Rasmussen showed most Democrats agree with Obama
I don't see this as being too damaging to Hillary in the short term, but if Obama continues to go after her in the next debates, she could be in trouble.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:07 PM
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38. Yeah Barack - How DARE you call us out for our incompetence!
:eyes:
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Kingstree Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:08 PM
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40. Hey, Hillary supporter's where are you?
Ain't this a bitch. Once again, Hillary (the so called front runner) is looking over her shoulder. She tries to look so poised and confident to the media, but inside, she acting like a little girl afraid of the dark. She doesn't have the charisma, strength or political savvy to convince Iowa voters her justification for her position on the foreign policy stance, so, as most power hungry politicians do, she sends one of her and Bill's paid cronies, Gov Vilsack to run around his own state and deflect Obama's message asking him to "cease and assist" it's not the Iowa way. Is Iowa a country?. Who the hell do he think she is and why would the Governor of a state be so stupid? This is a Democracy, not a dictatorship. Hell, he couldn't even continue his own campaign for Prez so he settles to play the role of Igor (Yesss, Master) What does he think, that the Clintons are promising him a key to the front door of the White House? This is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard and once again it displays Hillary's character, manipulative ways, integrity and quest for power.

And for you Hillary supporters, where are your threads on this? I realize that when a negative thread about Hillary is posted, you guys don't blog, allowing at times, it to fall to the second page under the radar, but when Obama is the target, all guns blazing. Are you cowards? Obama supporters go through the fire, I thought that this platform is to support your candidate, whoever that person is, positive or negative, quit acting like Republicans, hiding behind your keyboard, man up and support your candidate.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:20 PM
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41. Good one Kingstree
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #40
49. Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark...
but I do think it is well-deserved.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:58 PM
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51. I don't see it that way at all
I was frustrated in 2000, 2002 and 2004 at Democratic candidates who didn't fight back. Some moron of an adviser must have told them all that if they ignored attacks the attacks won't gain traction.

Hillary and Obama are both scrapping when little things start. Whichever one gets the nomination, they are more likely to win with this strategy.

That doesn't mean it has to get ugly though. We are all Democrats, even Hillary.

You write: "This is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard and once again it displays Hillary's character, manipulative ways, integrity and quest for power."

Where did all that come from? That's the kind of thing I'd hear from the right wing or the corporate media.



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Kingstree Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:05 PM
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52. Hillary is toeing the same line.
To me, she is no different. That attack on Obama and the follow up was a pure Republican move and we don't need someone who acts and thinks like a Repug. We don't need four more years of the Bush doctrine. Call it what you want but bullshit is bullshit, Democratic or Republic.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:17 PM
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56. Kingstree: Calling it like it is. You rock!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #40
64. LOL.. That, 'yesss, Master' added a nice touch to go with my
:popcorn:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #40
76. "Yes, master"! LOL! Good post...
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 10:11 PM by jefferson_dem
And a belated "welcome to DU"! :hi:
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The Ghost Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #40
90. ..
couldnt agree with you more, well said
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:26 PM
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42. Gee, Tom Vilsack, former chair of the DLC...
scrambles to do the bidding of the Darling of the DLC, neoliberal Hillary Clinton, chair of the DLC American Dream Initiative (for rich corporations).

Didn't Hillary promise to pay off $400,000 of Vilsack's debt?

Do you want:
*more war
*less oversight
*more For-Profit HealthCare
*more outsourcing
*more "Free Trade"
*fewer good jobs for Working Americans
*more privatization of Government
*more big Corporate influence in Washington
*more $ for Armaments and Defense

----if you want these things, then vote for Hillary.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:56 PM
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48. Hey wait. You forgot one.
* No flag burning.

(HRC was the only Democratic co-sponsor of a bill designed to ban some types of flag-burning.)

Ringggggg!

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
55. I found an amendment Hillary cosponsored
That was intended to replace the flag burning amendment with a flag burning law. The courts would throw the law out.

The amendment was sponsored by Dick Durbin. In addition to Hillary, Barbara Boxer cosponsored the amendment. Nearly all Democrats voted for it. (Including Barack Obama)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00188

Your post makes it sound like the flag burning law was a GOP plan that only Hillary supported. That's not the case.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:49 PM
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65. This is according to democrats.senate.gov
Edited on Sat Jul-28-07 07:53 PM by RufusTFirefly
On October 24, 2005, Senators Bennett and Clinton introduced a legislative alternative to a constitutional amendment, S. 1911, the Flag Protection Act of 2005. The bill is currently in the Judiciary Committee. Senators Bennett and Clinton may introduce an amendment to S. J. Res. 12 to strike the constitutional amendment, replacing it with the legislative alternative described in S. 1911.

Although, a prior federal statute to ban flag burning was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, the 2003 Court decision in Virginia v. Black, upholding a cross burning conviction, makes it more likely that the Bennett-Clinton amendment would be found constitutional.

Link

Also
===============
Hillary Clinton Co-Sponsors Anti-Flag Burning Bill (MichaelMoore.com)
Richard Cohen: Star-Spangled Pandering (Washington Post)
Editorial:Senator Clinton, in Pander Mode (New York Times)

==========
That said, I think bvar's list is more dangerous. The flag-burning bill was, as both the Post and the Times characterized it, primarily pandering. But the following items will set the tone for our nation's future.


Do you want:
*more war
*less oversight
*more For-Profit HealthCare
*more outsourcing
*more "Free Trade"
*fewer good jobs for Working Americans
*more privatization of Government
*more big Corporate influence in Washington
*more $ for Armaments and Defense

----if you want these things, then vote for Hillary.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:05 PM
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68. The amendment I linked to was also for SJ 12
There must have been more than one amendment. Its misleading to state that Hillary was the only Democrat pushing for a flag burning law.

Your list about what it means to vote for Hillary is slogans without evidence.

Starting with more war. Where does that come from?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:32 PM
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43. And who can forget this Vilsack goodie!
"Gov. Tom Vilsack said Monday that Democrats risk political backlash if they object to the Bush administration's wiretapping..."-- Tom Vilsack

So Don't rock the Bush* boat it's Bad for Business Vilsack is a Hillary supporter.
Who is surprised?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:33 PM
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62. Therefore, Vilsack and Hillary support Bush's warrantless searches!
This is the same old DLC crap of "keeping the powder dry" everytime we wanted to do something to stop Bush's outrages.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:36 PM
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44. I hope Obama hasn't taken his security for granted like RFK... (we need him!)
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 06:55 PM
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47. I think the Clinton campaign is all about
trying to kill a corpse. They won't stop until they've beaten their opposition into the ground. This issue will die out in another week anyway, so I guess it's worth it to pile on and do as much damage as possible. Unfortunately for them, the person who started all this, the YouTube questioner, has said himself that Hillary is distorting the "precondition" aspect of his question. It's interesting to see such a killer political machine in action though. Impressive.

Ha, I like the comment about the Saturday afternoon press conference. Yeah, I'm sure it was a coincidence, wink, wink.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:13 PM
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54. No one in Iowa gives a darn what Vilsack says.
Trust me on this.

I'm not a Hillary or Obama supporter, well more so Obama than Hillary, but Vilsack? He was polling in the bottom tier in his home state before dropping out of the race. And we are going to listen to him now? HA!

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:18 PM
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57. Hillary calls "Payroll Tom" because she can't handle it! WAAAAAHH!!!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:26 PM
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58. If she can't fight back Obama ...
what in the hell will she do with the RepubliCONS..We don't need any of this weak-kneed, possum piss stances that Reid and Pelosi put forward.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 07:51 PM
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66. Is he trying to kiss up to her to win VP if she gets the nomination. nm
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 08:53 PM
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70. Clinton/Vilsack 08?
Recipe for disaster.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:13 PM
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72. You can say that again.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 09:59 PM
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74. I heard this is what the HQ in Iowa is saying.
I guess you get what you pay for if this is true.....too bad Vilsack's endorsement hasn't helped her that much in Iowa.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:15 PM
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77. I wouldn't say i wouldn't support the Dem ticket but if i could say that...
I might with that duo of dread...
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 10:57 PM
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78. What was Team Clinton smoking when they decided to send Vilsack out to make such a lame comment? nt
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:09 PM
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79. Don't pick a fight if you can't take getting hit back, Hillary.
Paying some washed up old douche bag to cry foul isn't helping your case either.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:27 PM
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81. Republicans would eat her alive.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-28-07 11:37 PM
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82. She just screwed herself thats all.
She shouldnt have attacked him on the boob tube like she did, Obamas coverage on tv here in Maryland has blown up. She knows the media tells everyone what to do, you know all the truth of the country, and now she gave the public some more tv time for Obama. Now people are saying wait there is someone else that out there..ooooohh! Now she wants to end the subject so he will disappear again and she can have the media back.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 01:05 PM
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87. Team Clinton...keep digging...deeper... deeper...
There's more coming..


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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-29-07 02:36 PM
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91. Poor Obaby! "The mean lady is picking on me!" Whaaaaaaaa!!
He needs to grow up, or grow a pair, at least.
What a freakin' baby.
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