Dean Buys Braun Endorsement (In response to the faux Clinton/Vilsack outrage)

[wyldwolf]

In the near future, Braun will be on the road campaigning for Dean. Here's an inside account of the negotiations between the Braun and Dean camps that resulted in Braun embracing Dean in Iowa on Thursday.

Braun campaign manager Patricia Ireland -- the former National Organization for Women president who was never able to energize the feminist community behind Braun -- started talking to Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi at the end of last week. Trippi turned her over to Dean senior adviser Jon Haber.

That means during Sunday's debate in Iowa, when Braun defended Dean after he was attacked by Al Sharpton for his lack of minority hirings while Vermont governor, Braun was already crafting her exit strategy with Dean.

By early this week, Ireland was in negotiations with Haber on the details of Braun's departure. Braun's issues: She has a big campaign debt, and the trickle of money she was getting would dry up once she quit the contest. Braun also wanted an understanding on what role she would play with the Dean team. Ireland and Haber sealed the deal Wednesday evening.

"We are going to help her with the debt," Haber told me. The debt tab could be in the neighborhood of some $300,000 and Dean's camp will help Braun raise the money to pay it off.

Braun will campaign for Dean three days of the week, with the Dean campaign picking up her travel expenses. Braun will become a Dean campaign consultant and will be paid about $20,000. Up to three of Braun's staffers, including Ireland, will be hired by the Dean campaign. In the short term, Braun will head to New Hampshire and South Carolina for the Dean campaign

http://web.archive.org/web/20040212235601/http://www.suntimes.com/output/sweet/cst-nws-sweet16.html

[MessiahRp]

1. Braun's endorsement was worth little. Vilsack on the other hand was a former Governor

of a major primary state.

Rp

[wyldwolf]

2. So Clinton got a better deal than Dean did.

[MessiahRp]

3. I think it's wrong to buy endorsements period. No matter who does it.

I wasn't a Dean Supporter either (I worked for Kerry). I know how people do it but endorsements should be based on principles and values.

For instance, "I endorse _______ because they most closely represent my values and positions on the major issues I support" it helps their supporters who may be deflated by their candidate's loss, open up to investigating why that person is being supported by their candidate and maybe see why that person is the one closest to what they wanted to vote for.

Maybe I'm idealistic but I find it as a discouraging symptom of the broken system and an endorsement of such by any candidate that buys any endorsement.

And knowing how broken this system is and how much I want it changed, it only furthers the chances of me not voting for that person because they endorse what is hurting our democracy.

Rp

[wyldwolf]

4. since it is done pretty regularly, you must be disappointed frequently

[MessiahRp]

5. Of course I am...

What's more disturbing is how you seem to enjoy the idea of buying people's support.

Rp

[wyldwolf]

6. what's even more disturbing is you have a problem with it

[Ethelk2044]

7. It only shows if someone has ethics some people do some dont

[wyldwolf]

9. Apparantly Howard Dean and Carol Mosely Braun do not

[MessiahRp]

12. Apparently your beloved Clintons do not.

No surprise there. Hillary was bought and paid for by Murdoch and Fox at a fundraiser last year, bought and paid for by the HMOs/Pharmceuticals and that's how the DLC rolls. Government for the people that pay for it. Fuck the rest of the taxpayers.

Rp

[wyldwolf]

15. Apparently your beloved "prooogressiiiives" do not.

Hillary was bought and paid for by Murdoch and Fox at a fundraiser last year,

And Murdoch and Fox have also contributed large sums to Obama and Dean. :shrug:

bought and paid for by the HMOs/Pharmceuticals

As were Obama and Dean.

and that's how the DLC rolls. Government for the people that pay for it. Fuck the rest of the taxpayers.

Amazing Howard Dean lets the Democratic Business Council stay in business. And funny how everytime "progreeessssiiiivess" whine about something the Clintons or the DLC do, it's revealed somone on the "progreeessssiiiivess" team is doin' it too.

[fudge stripe cookays]

21. Links?

I don't give a crap about Obama. But find me links about Dean.

[wyldwolf]

23. Sure, boss

Dean accepts $20,850 from FOX/News Corp.

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?ID=N00025663

Dean accepts $4,000 from the Pharmaceuticals/Healthcare industry:

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/leadpac_ind.asp?ID=N00025663&Cycle=All

The DNC's Democratic Business Council, where major corporations donate to the DNC, thrives under Howard Dean:

https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute/dbc

[fudge stripe cookays]

24. OK, did you get this part about Newscorp?

"The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates."

When you make a donation, you usually have to enter your employer. Whether they want to admit it or not, there are some liberals working amongst their yes men, probably mostly in prole jobs, just trying to make ends meet.

Howard did NOT get a donation from Murdoch. Check newsmeat:
http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/Rupert_Murdoch.php

There are two big fat donations to Hillary, though. Nice try.

As for Pharma, $4000 is a drop in the bucket compared to some of these amounts. And for all the things about them that suck, they do make drugs that save lives. The Betaseron I take from my MS is proof. I won't judge him for $4000.

[wyldwolf]

25. you do understand that's how it is always done, don't you?

:eyes:

Candidates seldom get large checks printed on corporate checks.

[fudge stripe cookays]

26. Whatever, sparky. n/t

[wyldwolf]

27. yep. Facts never fail to send them scurrying away.

[rinsd]

36. Actually WW had that wrong.

Dean got about $1.3M from various health professionals, hospitals, misc health related industries

http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/indus.asp?ID=N00025663

"There are two big fat donations to Hillary, though. Nice try.

As for Pharma, $4000 is a drop in the bucket compared to some of these amounts."

So $4K is a drop in the bucket or when split in half is it two big fat donations?

[wyldwolf]

37. Dean got $1.3M and not a mere $4000 like I said? Thanks for the correction!

[rinsd]

38. You were looking at his PAC.

You know what else is funny? That article about Murdoch and his son donating to Hillary.

What the author failed to mention is that Rupert's son James donates far more to Democrats than to the GOP with his GOP support apparently limited to Alfonse D'Amato.

Out of almost $12K in donations; $3K went to the Fox PAC, $2K to D'Amato and the rest to Dems or the DNC.

[MessiahRp]

41. Here...

Read this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12762092/

I don't think the issue is Murdoch's son. It is Rupert doing fundraisers for Hillary who (rightly) draws the criticism.

Rp

[rinsd]

42. It was a single fundraiser during her Senate run.

I was referring to a recent article which tried to blast Clinton, Obama and Edwards for refusing to appear on Fox but taking News Corp dough.

[MessiahRp]

43. Yeah but I think the criticism is more pointed at who she's taken money from

Murdoch is as slimy as they come. Not appearing on FOX is the right thing to do but the candidates should also refuse his money to reinforce the symbolism needed to draw attention to his network's bias.

Rp

[rinsd]

44. I say take his money and use it as campaign HQ toilet paper!

[rinsd]

45. self delete double post

[MessiahRp]

8. It's disturbing to want endorsements based on principle. What kind of democracy do you envision?

Because it's clear that your way of thinking agrees with our current flawed system that favors the rich and connected and constantly fucks the poor. You don't see the poor or middle class getting into Presidential races or for the most part Congressional races because of the dirty money in politics and you're saying you happily support that system?

I'm not sure we're the same type of Democrat.

Rp

[wyldwolf]

10. It's disturbing, no, it's amusing to see your fake outrage.

[MessiahRp]

11. It's only fake outrage if you believe in bought and paid for government

Which you sadly and clearly do.

I happen to have principles and beliefs, so the outrage isn't fake. Your condescending tone supporting greedy rich politicians is pretty disgusting.

Rp

[wyldwolf]

13. either fake outrage or political naivety. This type of thing never seemed to bother you before.

[MessiahRp]

14. Strange since this is the first time this topic has come up since 2004

So I am pretty sure you haven't kept a running tab on my opinions since then.

I am not saying it doesn't happen all the time, but my contention is that doesn't make it right. It shouldn't happen at all.

Rp

[wyldwolf]

16. it's fairly easy to do a DU search

And this topic came up several months ago.

But my contention is there is nothing at all wrong with it.

[dionysus]

17. what a garbage post.

keep senseless stirring shit, you're turning people off to the DLC dinos each time you open your trap.

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[Adelante]

22. I hate this shit, no matter who does it

But wyldwolf is right. There is no difference between Dean/Braun and Clinton/Vilsack. They were both political deals bought and paid for (I assume paid, but certainly bought).

The system is grotesque, but it is what it is, unless we change it.

[TeamJordan23]

28. Faux news? Actually, it was in the LA Times first. nm

[wyldwolf]

29. uh... what??? Who said anything about Faux news?

[TeamJordan23]

30. nevermind, I intrepreted faux in your title to be Faux News. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

31. This Is The Second Time Today You've Posted This

Thank you for modifying the headline to make it closer to reality.

I'm not accusing, but am am wondering: are you paid directly or indirectly by the Mrs. Clinton's campaign? Obviously, you don't have to answer if you don't want to.

[wyldwolf]

32. In response to two identical threads on the Clinton/Visack deal

And, yes, the OP of the second thread in THAT series was well aware of the first thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3384968
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3385270

are you paid directly or indirectly by the Mrs. Clinton's campaign?

Similar questions...

2002: Are you paid by Michael Ruppert?
2003: Are you paid by Wes Clark?
2004: Are you paid by John Kerry?
2005 - 2006: Are you paid by the DLC?
2007: Are you paid by Hillary Clinton

Some people just can't fathom the fact that someone can hold different viewpoints and not get paid for them. :eyes:

[MannyGoldstein]

33. I Can Fathom It. That Doesn't Make It So.

So I guess I'll be left hanging in suspense.

For the record, I've not been involved in any way with any national campaign since Tsongas in '92.

[wyldwolf]

34. Apparently you can't.

For the record, I've never been involved in a national campaign. Just a few House campaigns.

[Forkboy]

35. Who gives a shit?

Hillary is still a putz no matter what Obama,Dean,or the entire population of DC does.Their actions don't change hers.All the threads in the world about these guys don't change anything about her.

All you do is show that she's one of many idiots instead of standing alone on the podium of stupidity.

You do illustrate one thing though.The top two Dems are worthless,and they're supporters overwhelmingly thin-skinned,petty,and childish.

[Larkspur]

46. Bingo!!!

[madfloridian]

39. Guess who here at DU was the most critical of the Dean Braun thing.

Speaking of motes and logs in eyes....

It was an amazing time at DU when that happened. Dean was condemned, blasted, burned.

And those who pointed out it was often done....ooh my goodness.

Welcome to the 08 campaign, Howard Dean....betcha you did not even know you were running this time.

But then after all, sir, consider it a compliment that you are being used so often as a basis of comparison.

[wyldwolf]

40. who?