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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:31 AM
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The IRAN war resolution: they have done it again. Bush* can attack with Senate approval

Let's face it, bush* can attack now anytime. He got unanimous (97-0) approval. Liebermann skillfully delivered, dems buckled at the knees.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:36 AM
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1. I have opened several linked pages and have found no link to the US Gov and the vote.
Am I missing something?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:50 AM
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2. Try this
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:45 AM
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4. Thank you!
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 03:50 AM by Peake
Edited to include link:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h1585 :

This still doesn't say anything specific; will continue to track down definitions.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:54 AM
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5. They want to quell spending at shipyards employing legal visiting immigrant workers.
For those following the immigration dysfunctions:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:3:./temp/~c1...
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:54 AM
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3. Why have I missed all this?
Could we just ship Joe to the Middle East and let him live there. He seems to be endlessly in love with it. Maybe if we moved a million or so Arabs into his home county in Conn. and let them run every thing he would look at it different? I guess running for Vice went to his part of the brain that used to think. I am willing to bet he thinks we should go for an all out war in the Middle East. And we may. Oil not traded in US dollars will kill us yet. I wonder if China and India are just watching us kill each other off and when we are done they will move in and run the world.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:11 PM
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8. Joe is an Israeli first and American third. Asshole second. nt
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:13 PM
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9. Lieberman is NOT an Israeli. Facts ARE your friend. n/t
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:11 PM
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14. You're right. He is Likud. nt
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:26 PM
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15. No. He is not Likud, either. Again, facts are your friends; try using them.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:37 PM
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11. Uh, not "Israeli"... "AIPAC". There is a huge difference.
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 01:41 PM by Totally Committed
The Likud Party (whose American PAC/Lobby is AIPAC) is only a part of the Israei government, and not representitve of all the Israeli people. Not all Israelis are warmongers, but all Likud are.

So, it should go like this:

Joe is...

(1) AIPAC

(2) An asshole.

(3) An asshole who represents AIPAC.

(4) And American asshole who represents AIPAC.

(5) A lying American asshole who represents AIPAC.


My opinion, anyway.

TC



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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:52 PM
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13. AIPAC is not affliated with Likud.
AIPAC is an American organization, filled with Americans. It is not run by Israel or Israelis.

OT: Who is your avatar?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 09:51 PM
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16. From the Nile to the Euphrates. This is what is causing so much trouble
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/gre...

Greater Israel. A misinterpretation of Genesis, but heck who really reads the Bible these days anyway ?
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:17 AM
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19. LOL.....except being a jew he tries to protect Israel
and I can't blame him for that.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:09 AM
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6. I have a different reading of the report,
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 07:13 AM by TheBaldyMan
the Liebermann amendment can be down loaded in pdf form using this link(Adobe acrobat form)

It does point the finger at Iran repeatedly and for the most part erroneously. The report amendment is really a long list of 'incidents' and statements (aka "Findings") which on first reading seem to have already been discredited saying 'Iran is the evilest nation on earth'. Almost comically the recurring accusation is that Iran is 'meddling in the internal affairs of Iraq' :eyes:

At the end the purpose of the amendment becomes clear: A report will be submitted within 30 days and every 60 days thereafter to say what a bunch of meanies Iran is.

Holy Joe has succeeded in getting the Senate to indulge in a bi-monthly orgy of ragging the ragheads.

Either the Commander MNFI or the US Ambassador to Iraq will attend and bleat about how awful these Iranians are.

edited to add link to debunked Iranian fibs.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:16 AM
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7. I went to your PDF of the Amendment Text and it's Overwhelming in laying out
that Iran is supplying terrorists and equipment to Hezbollah and Iraq Insurgents. It says that Iran must stop providing any arms or equipment or influence.

Reminds me of when we told Saddam to give up his WMD or we would invade. He didn't have WMD but we invaded. Iranian Government cannot stop the involvement over their border because it's not like an organized group that can be wiped out in a bombing. The whole language of the bill is threatening and doesn't give Iran ANY WAY to dipolomatically solve what they are accused of. It's a WAR AUTHORIZATION... Wait and SEE....
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:32 PM
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10. Incorrect.
Yes, the amendment accuses Iran of being sticking its nose in Iraq. All it does though, is require bimonthly reports about Iran's activities with regards to Iraq. Additionally, and most importantly, it states that the amendment is NOT an authorization to use force against Iran.

Thus, to call it a war resolution is misrepresenting what it is. We don't win arguments by misrepresenting the facts.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:42 PM
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18. But Iraq is so boring.
Can't we exaggerate this Iran resolution so we can have something new and refreshing at which to be pissed off?
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:49 PM
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12. What I'm waiting for is a similar bill on Saudi Arabia
They're obviously supplying Sunni insurgents in Iraq. Over half the foreign terrorists in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia. The Sunni insurgents are responsible for more IED bombings than the Shia. The foreigners are responsible for most of the suicide bombings. Of course, I'll be waiting a very long time before anyone submits a bill on the Saudis.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:11 PM
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17. I've heard nothing about this. need to research it
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:24 AM
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20. except the TEXT OF THE LEGISLATION says no such thing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

SEC. 1535. REPORT ON SUPPORT FROM IRAN FOR ATTACKS AGAINST COALITION FORCES IN IRAQ.

(a) Findings.--Congress makes the following findings:

(1) Since January 19, 1984, the Secretary of State has designated the Islamic Republic of Iran as a ``state sponsor of terrorism,'' one of only five countries in the world at present so designated.

(2) The Department of State, in its most recent ``Country Reports on Terrorism,'' stated that ``Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism'' in 2006.

(3) The most recent Country Reports on Terrorism report further stated, ``Iran continued to play a destabilizing role in Iraq. . . Iran provided guidance and training to select Iraqi Shia political groups, and weapons and training to Shia militant groups to enable anti-Coalition attacks. Iranian government forces have been responsible for at least some of the increasing lethality of anti-Coalition attacks by providing Shia militants with the capability to build IEDs with explosively formed projectiles similar to those developed by Iran and Lebanese Hezbollah. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard was linked to armor-piercing explosives that resulted in the deaths of Coalition Forces.''

(4) In an interview published on June 7, 2006, Zalmay Khalilzad, then-United States ambassador to Iraq, said of Iranian support for extremist activity in Iraq, ``We can say with certainty that they support groups that are attacking coalition troops. These groups are using the same ammunition to destroy armored vehicles that the Iranians are supplying to Hezbollah in Lebanon. They pay money to Shiite militias and they train some of the groups. We can't say whether Teheran is supporting Al Qaeda, but we do know that Al Qaeda people come here from Pakistan through Iran. And Ansar al Sunna, a partner organization of Zarqawi's network, has a base in northwest Iran.''

(5) On April 26, 2007, General David Petraeus, commander of Multi-National Force-Iraq, said of Iranian support for extremist activity in Iraq, ``The level of financing, the level of training on Iranian soil, the level of equipping some sophisticated technologies. . . even advice in some cases, has been very, very substantial and very harmful.''

(6) On April 26, 2007, General Petraeus also said of Iranian support for extremist activity in Iraq, ``We know that it goes as high as Suleimani, who is the head of the Qods Force. . .. We believe that he works directly for the supreme leader of the country.''

(7) On May 27, 2007, then-Major General William Caldwell, spokesperson for Multi-National Force-Iraq, said, ``What we do know is that the Iranian intelligence services, the Qods Force, is in fact both training, equipping, and funding Shia extremist groups. . . both in Iraq and also in Iran. . .. We have in detention now people that we have captured that, in fact, are Sunni extremist-related that have, in fact, received both some funding and training from the Iranian intelligence services, the Qods Force.''

(8) On February 27, 2007, in testimony before the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate, Lieutenant General Michael Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said of Iranian support for extremist activity in Iraq, ``We believe Hezbollah is involved in the training as well.''

(9) On July 2, 2007, Brigadier General Kevin Bergner, spokesperson for Multi-National Force-Iraq, stated, ``The Iranian Qods Force is using Lebanese Hezbollah essentially as a proxy, as a surrogate in Iraq.''

(10) On July 2, 2007, Brigadier General Bergner detailed the capture in southern Iraq by coalition forces of Ali Musa Daqdaq, whom the United States military believes to be a 24-year veteran of Lebanese Hezbollah involved in the training of Iraqi extremists in Iraq and Iran.

(11) The Department of State designates Hezbollah a foreign terrorist organization.

(12) On July 2, 2007, Brigadier General Bergner stated that the Iranian Qods Force operates three camps near Teheran where it trains Iraqi extremists in cooperation with Lebanese Hezbollah, stating, ``The Qods Force, along with Hezbollah instructors, train approximately 20 to 60 Iraqis at a time, sending them back to Iraq organized into these special groups. They are being taught how to use EPFs , mortars, rockets, as well as intelligence, sniper, and kidnapping operations.''

(13) On July 2, 2007, Brigadier General Bergner stated that Iraqi extremists receive between $750,000 and $3,000,000 every month from Iranian sources.

(14) On July 2, 2007, Brigadier General Bergner stated that ``ur intelligence reveals that senior leadership in Iran is aware of this activity'' and that it would be ``hard to imagine'' that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, is unaware of it.

(15) On July 2, 2007, Brigadier General Bergner stated, ``There does not seem to be any follow-through on the commitments that Iran has made to work with Iraq in addressing the destabilizing security issues here in Iraq.''

(16) On February 11, 2007, the United States military held a briefing in Baghdad at which its representatives stated that at least 170 members of the United States Armed Forces have been killed, and at least 620 wounded, by weapons tied to Iran.

(17) On January 20, 2007, a sophisticated attack was launched by insurgents at the Karbala Provincial Joint Coordination Center in Iraq, resulting in the murder of five American soldiers, four of whom were first abducted.

(18) On April 26, 2007, General Petraeus stated that the so-called Qazali network was responsible for the attack on the Karbala

GPO's PDF

Provincial Joint Coordination Center and that ``there's no question that the Qazali network is directly connected to the Iranian Qods force received money, training, arms, ammunition, and at some points in time even advice and assistance and direction''.

(19) On July 2, 2007, Brigadier General Bergner stated that the United States Armed Forces possesses documentary evidence that the Qods Force had developed detailed information on the United States position at the Karbala Provincial Joint Coordination Center ``regarding our soldiers' activities, shift changes, and defenses, and this information was shared with the attackers''.

(20) On July 2, 2007, Brigadier General Bergner stated of the January 20 Karbala attackers, `` could not have conducted this complex operation without the support and direction of the Qods Force.''

(b) Sense of Congress.--It is the sense of Congress that--

(1) the murder of members of the United States Armed Forces by a foreign government or its agents is an intolerable and unacceptable act of hostility against the United States by the foreign government in question; and

(2) the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran must take immediate action to end all training, arming, equipping, funding, advising, and any other forms of support that it or its agents are providing, and have provided, to Iraqi militias and insurgents, who are contributing to the destabilization of Iraq and are responsible for the murder of members of the United States Armed Forces.

(c) Report.--

(1) IN GENERAL.--Not later than 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and every 60 days thereafter, the Commander, Multi-National Forces Iraq and the United States Ambassador to Iraq shall jointly submit to Congress a report describing and assessing in detail--

(A) the external support or direction provided to anti-coalition forces by the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran or its agents;

(B) the strategy and ambitions in Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran; and

(C) any counter-strategy or efforts by the United States Government to counter the activities of agents of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran in Iraq.

(2) FORM.--Each report required under paragraph (1) shall be in unclassified form, but may contain a classified annex.
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