Here's what we do...

[emlev]

We push a Dem '08 ticket of Hillary Clinton/Barak Obama, or Obama/Clinton. That way, even though the country is on to us and there's no way we Republicans are going to win '08 fair and square, we can still steal it. Folks say you can't steal an election unless it's close. But with this plan, we can. All we'll have to do is say that the country just wasn't ready for a woman or a black, but people were too embarrassed about their prejudices to tell the pollsters, which is why the polls for the '08 election showed a Democrat win and the election results show we Republicans won.

And hey, this plan has an extra bonus beyond an extended NeoCon administration: we can set the women's movement and the civil rights movement back DECADES with the fallout from this!

But don't tell anyone. Especially don't let this get leaked to those crazies at Democratic Underground.

:sarcasm:
(Edited to add smiley.)

[MonkeyFunk]

1. Yes

we should nominate a white male, cuz they never lose.

[emlev]

3. No

We should nominate people whose stands we really believe in, most of whom will not be white males. But we have to stop pretending that there's going to be a fair election in '08. Unless many, many more of us start immediately working to protect the vote, all this talk about who the Dem candidates are is only entertainment.

[GuvWurld]

5. Thank you for this ruthless honesty

This seems to really be the point of your OP, though it took this extra post to make that clear.

Face it folks, elections are simulated competition, like professional wrestling or the Harlem Globetrotters. I'm sorry to have to be so blunt and shatter illusions for some, but your donations and time spent volunteering for candidates are counterproductive because they reinforce the perceived okayness of current election conditions.

[Totally Committed]

2. Wow. Well, that's one way of looking at this, I guess.

Did you, by any chance, simply forget to use the :sarcasm: icon, or ..... Never mind, I'm waiting. They'll be here any minute.

:popcorn:

TC

[emlev]

4. The presentation is sarcastic, but the thinking behind it is not.

Both Clinton and Obama are being served to the Democratic Party on a plate, from a menu of limited choices, at a meal where impeachment is not on the table. They are not the candidates whose positions represent the party membership at this time.

Would I like to see a woman president? An African-American president? You bet. But that ain't gonna get me to be excited about Clinton or Obama any more than it's going to get me to vote for Condoleezza.

[Totally Committed]

9. Thanks.

You had me worried, there, for a minute.

TC

[mod mom]

6. Do we really think BFEE/neocons/military industrial complex are going to fade

away with the coming election (one in which can be easily rigged)? Yeah right. These guys have nothing to lose and everything to win. They believe that the masses will not sacrifice their livestyles and rise up in protest. Clinton will be the nominee because they can steal it w Clinton and then the pollsters will come out and say "she was just too devisive".

I always assumed the Dems had a plan in '04 in case the election was stolen. We had dozens of lawyers beseige Central Ohio before the election, as well as election protection folks, so it looked like a plan, but alas after it occurred, all we could get were ~ 2,500 (and of course the corporate media listed it in the hundreds) out on the streets at the scene of the crime.

THAT SAID...Conyers and the House Judiciary Dem Staff KNOW * stole the election. I believe they are working their way toward correction, but in a way to avoid "revolution".

We must have a plan in place to verify the vote right away. If questionable results come back then legal action needs to be worked out ahead of time, and ready to go promptly into the courts.

OH...AND GET JAMES CARVILLE THE FUCK AWAY FROM OUR CANDIDATE:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[emlev]

7. The Election Protection Coalition had no plan for after election day

In fact, the contracts for their field staff ended election night.

There is no need to wait this time to see if the election results are trustworthy. We already have enough info now to know that there is NO BASIS FOR CONFIDENCE in the election results, given the untrustworthy election systems being used all over the country.

What do you think Conyers's plan is?

[mod mom]

8. I think he is shedding light in *'s outrageous policies such as turning the DoJ

over to a wing of the Republican Party, bad policies in Iraq, Plame and other scandals so the issue of the stolen election will not come as a shocker. I do think there are Dems who never want the stolen election to be known, though. Conyers is an insighfrul man, and I believe he is a "truth will set you free" kind of guy so I believe he will not drop the issue.

Least, I'm hoping.