Ron Paul

[SHRED]

Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Voted YES on replacing illegal export tax breaks with $140B in new breaks. (Jun 2004)
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)
Abolish the federal Department of Education. (Dec 2000)
Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

[Deja Q]

1. Meanwhile, FOX news is painting him as an out of touch foagie...

Michelle Malkin on the O'Reilly Factor. Of course, she was keeping the whole thing devoted solely to 9/11 because that's all people will respond to...

[Skinner]

2. Just goes to show...

...that some people who call themselves libertarians (even former Libertarian party presidential candidates) aren't particularly supportive of liberty.

What, exactly, is libertarian about government prohibition of stem cell research or gay adoption, or support for government-sponsored school prayer?

[bunkerbuster1]

3. Nothin', that's what.

Like a lot of phony libertarians (the radio asshat Neal Boortz comes immediately to mind) they don't really believe in liberty for anyone beyond their own tribe.

Like Pat Buchanan or, hell, David Duke, Ron Paul is correct in asserting that Iraq is a clusterfuck. He's useful to us, in that his presence at Gooper debates provides an opportunity for those who literally *never* hear a discouraging word about Iraq unless it's been through the Fox spin machine, from a fellow Gooper.

But that's about it for his usefulness. He's a vile, selfish, nasty piece of work.

[Blutodog]

4. Libertarianism = Selfishness

I was once a libertarian for a yr. Until I realized libertarians are really just Rethugs that don't buy into the religious rights BS is about al. In the end Libertarians have more in common with the Rethugliken party then anyone on the left.

[EST]

7. How interesting!

I got a few pieces of their literature, more than a decade ago, and was impressed with them due to their stance on drug laws and the drug war. Because of this, and my own ignorance-a political neophyte-I re-registered as a libertarian. I started receiving their literature on a regular basis and became dis-enamored almost immediately.

I started refusing the literature and, since the libertarian group in Illinois, or at least this area of it fell on hard times, I'm no longer on anybody's mailing lists except for democrats. I'm still registered as a libertarian because I am afraid to mess with the system; it would give the worms in the system too much opportunity to pharkle with my registration and my little vote is too important to me to show up at the polling place, next election, and find myself ineligible. That would be a blow I'm not sure I could stand.

[johncoby2]

5. But he voted AGAINST the war!

That is why I will vote for him for president!

:sarcasm:

[hippiechick]

6. Gee, what a surprise - he's a REPUBLICAN!

:spank:

[CGowen]

8. some points

Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)

The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights (FTCR) today exposed internal oil company memos that show how the industry intentionally reduced domestic refining capacity to drive up profits, RAW STORY has learned.



http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/fs/

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Group_Internal_memos_show_oil_companies_limited_refineries_to_drive_up__0907.html

Abolish the federal Department of Education. (Dec 2000)

If you read the book http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ there should be something done with it.

[primative1]

9. Pick Your Poison ...

Mixed bag no matter who you look at

Voted NO on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted YES on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of prescription drugs. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
Opposes the death penalty. (Jan 2007)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Legalize industrial hemp. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
War on Drugs has abused Bill of Rights . (Dec 2000)
Legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)
Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on 'Fast Track' authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
Voted YES on limiting attorney's fees in class action lawsuits. (Feb 2005)

[democrat2thecore]

22. EXCELLENT response!

You are right. With a Libertarian - and Paul especially - you pick your poison. Paul also is one of the stalwarts in Washington to preserve our privacy. And when it gets right down to it: Freedom=Privacy and Privacy=Freedom. I won't be voting for him, I'm a Democrat. But I sure as hell hope he is re-elected to his House seat. Washington NEEDS Ron Paul.

[Freddie Stubbs]

10. Yet many here are drooling all over him because he is an outspoken opponent of the war

It is important to look at someone's total record, not just the rhetoric they are spouting.

[democrat2thecore]

23. See post #11 - It's more than the war -nt

[Javaman]

11. Thanks for posting this...

there are so many people on here that have either fallen for ron paul's bullshit, are closet libertarians, or repukes in disguise trying to stir the shit.

ron paul is a pot smoking repuke. aka libertarian.

just because this colossal tool calls for the removal of troops from Iraq and for legalizing pot, does not mean he's not a total fucking nut job.

the mouth breathers out there will only go for the hot button issues but will rarely if ever dig below and see what paul's stance is on other issues.

this is The Democratic Underground, not the suck up to the repuke flavor of the week underground.

[primative1]

12. So whats your hot button issue?

Do we need to discuss abortion for the next two generations just like the last two? Ya know what? You have about as much chance of convincing people in Kansas to live like people in Massachusetts as you do of getting a ride to alpha centuri on board a Klingon warship. You will win a skirmish and then they will win one and on and on .... People will NEVER agree on social issues, thats why both sides of the debate always put them out front.
Meanwhile they loot the country and parcel off what little is left to the highest bidder. The libertarians are RIGHT on this one. Lets the states decide and move on to issues we CAN agree on.

[Javaman]

15. So then that's your excuse for supporting a right wing libertarian nut?

that's pretty weak.

The hot button issue is Iraq, but paul is far from the only one saying we should get out.

look at the rest of his platform, the guy is out of his mind.

[primative1]

17. Maybe you should dig a little deeper ...

Might have been ten years back we had a DEMOCRAT that came to the same conclusion as this so called "NUT" when it came to our currency backed by bombs and the federal reserve "system".
You might remember Jim Trafficant (D).
They had him put in jail if I recall right ... funny coincidence that they were on to the same thing.
Follow the dollars.

[CGowen]

18. Have you heard of Larry Agran ?

In 1992, Agran unsuccessfully sought the Democratic Party nomination for President. Agran was generally ignored by the media during his candidacy, a topic heavily covered in the 1995 documentary "Spin." The media did not report his polling numbers even as he met or exceeded the support of other candidates. Party officials excluded him from most debates on various grounds, even having him arrested when he interrupted to ask to participate. Even when he managed to join the other candidate in a forum, his ideas went unreported. He performed poorly in the New Hampshire primary, but did pick up modest support in later primaries as a protest candidate with appeal to those unhappy with the other candidates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Agran

http://backissues.cjrarchives.org/year/92/2/opinion.asp


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7344181953466797353&q=spin&hl=en

16min 50 sec into it

[primative1]

19. Intersesting and you know what ...

I never heard of him :)
And I was following politics then although there wasnt an internet.
Hmm ..

[CGowen]

20. that librul media

"With Catch-22 logic, Agran has been told by news media executives that he has not earned the right to media exposure because, among other things, he has not received enough media exposure."

[CGowen]

24. I was surprised that he got so much coverage.

Times have changed and the internet has changed a lot.

But they still try to downplay poll numbers and claim it's an internet thing etc.

[Javaman]

21. I have dug and it only smells worse the deeper I get...

Have you taken a good look at his stand on social issues? The guy is a down right caveman.

If you are female and want to support this lunitic, you might as well kiss your rights goodbye.

As long as he has an R or an L after his name I will never ever support him.

this is the democratic underground not the Jews for Jesus version of political support.

He's a nut bag from the word go.

[OHdem10]

13. Ron Paul has some "thinking friends" --The Heritage Foundation

A Libertarian Think Tank hosted Victor Gold(served 4 Republican
Presidents, including Regan).

On Sunday, Victor Gold gave a book review on C_Span. He was
introduced to the audience by Heritage Foundation Official.

Gold's Book INVASION BY THE PARTY SNATCHERS, "How the Holy Rollers
and the Neocons destroyed the Republican Party". One of his
main points is the Republican Party has been destroyed and
must rise again minus the Influence of RR and Neocons.

In his commentary, he described the current slate of Republican
Candidates as "Stepford Candidates'" and that RON PAUL is
the only Rational Candidate

Ron Paul has fellow believers.



Libertarians lose me big time on fiscal policy and their
desire for as little government as possible. They simply do
not believe the Federal Government has role in Education, health
care etc. These, they see as state funcions.

[Bullet1987]

14. ...

there are so many people on here that have either fallen for ron paul's bullshit, are closet libertarians, or repukes in disguise trying to stir the shit.

ron paul is a pot smoking repuke. aka libertarian.

just because this colossal tool calls for the removal of troops from Iraq and for legalizing pot, does not mean he's not a total fucking nut job.

the mouth breathers out there will only go for the hot button issues but will rarely if ever dig below and see what paul's stance is on other issues.

this is The Democratic Underground, not the suck up to the repuke flavor of the week underground.

Oh please grow up. People can like him because of his foreign policy...hell I DO!! But I also wouldn't want him to become President. And in a time when a Republican candidate is more outspoken on the war than our own people...it feels good to pimp someone you know...

a. Is not getting the Rethug nomination
b. Hates the war with all his heart

Ron Paul is as conservative as they come...as you can see from above. He's a diehard Constitutionalist that abhores needless war and wants it back in the good ol'days with prayer in school and such (good ol' days from his POV). I can gurantee you that if someone like Paul became President our foreign policy standards and morality may triple!! But out social enviroment would decay as someone like Paul would veto just about every socially progressive piece of legislation from the past century!!

[TwilightGardener]

16. In other words it's OK to promote a GOPer as long as he can't possibly win.