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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:04 PM
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Success! CNN Defines James Carville As Hillary Supporter
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/04/success_cnn_def.php

Success! CNN Defines James Carville As Hillary Supporter
April 05, 2007 --

So it looks as if CNN -- or James Carville, or both -- listened to the loud and grating noises some of us were making about CNN's failure to identify Carville as a Hillary supporter (rather than an independent analyst) when he goes on the network and discusses the Presidential race or criticizes her chief rival, Barack Obama.

On The Situation Room last night, CNN finally did identify Carville as a Hillary backer -- and not a moment too soon, because Carville was on the air to discuss Hillary and Barack's fundraising numbers. From the program:

SUZANNE MALVEAUX: Joining me for today's "Strategy Session" are Democratic strategist James Carville and Republican strategist Michael Steele.

Let's, first of all, start off with the numbers. Let's take a quick look at these numbers. We have got Clinton at $26 million, Obama at $25 million, Romney at $21 million, Giuliani, $14 million, Edwards, $14 million, and McCain, $12.5 million.

Let's start with you, James.

You said that you do not advise Hillary Clinton or her campaign, but that you publicly are a supporter.

JAMES CARVILLE, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: That's right.

MALVEAUX: They must somebody really nervous. Are they nervous today?

CARVILLE: Well, I suspect that that's -- $25 million is a big number. You can slice it, dice it any way that you want to. I don't know. Nervous? I think they live nervous. I have never been in a political campaign myself that I wasn't nervous.


So it seems likely that Carville and CNN made a decision -- almost certainly in response to criticisms like those here, here, and here -- to disclose this connection more clearly. That's good. As Atrios would say, Reward Good Behavior.

But here's the important point: The Good Behavior here isn't merely the disclosing of the Carville-Hillary link. Rather, it's that CNN showed that it's capable of listening to -- and hearing -- criticism. One thing that's frustrating to those of us who spend time tossing water balloons at the citadels of the big news orgs is that all too often, the professionals behind the walls appear not just unwilling to entertain criticism, but entirely incapable of hearing the substance of it. The defensive position too often is some variation of the idea that because they're taking a hammering from both sides, that they "must be doing something right," or alternatively that they needn't bother trying to separate out the valid criticisms from the bogus ones. So when a big news org makes the decision to actually hear the case being made against it, let alone adjust its behavior in response to it, that's a good thing, however limited the adjustment.

Look, who knows how long this'll last and obviously it's not any kind of grand victory; it would be nice to hear from a more diverse group of analysts. But it's still good, Goddamn it, in its own tiny way. Now, please stick a sock in Glenn Beck's maw. Thank you.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:06 PM
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1. Well, DUH -- that's the worst-kept secret in D.C.
He's as deep into HillaryWorld as McAuliffe ... with Begala probably not very far behind.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 09:00 PM
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7. Add Hilary Rosen to that list. On MSNBC she said swift attacks were fair and Dems
are silly to oppose Fox appointment.

And THAT was speaking as a Dem spokesperson, when she is actually a Hillary supporter, but not identified as such.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 09:38 PM
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8. rosen is a dem?! When I saw
Edited on Thu Apr-05-07 09:38 PM by zidzi
what she said earlier I thought it was just another rwing brainwasher.

Of course, if it's Kerry that's getting swiftboated and gives shillary an opening to get her hawkself in there then it all fine and Dandy.

If hillary should get the dem primary, and I'm hoping she doesn't, then she and rosen will find out first hand all about being swiftboated by sam fox's funds.

Don't come cryin' hillarys.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:07 PM
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2. Duh....he's been in her back
pocket forever. How I hate that man - the petulant way he responded to Dean was childish and just down right hateful. Go home Carville and slip into bed, oops! with the enemy.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:10 PM
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3. A postive development of honesty. I'll be.
Concerning his wife, get her back.http://www.wilsonsupport.org/
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 03:46 PM
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4. WOW! No kidding!!
This is the guy who wants Howard Dean replaced with another DLC wonk. Of course he wants Hillary. Hillary is the DLC's last great hope! Without her they would be more irrelevent.


John
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 04:09 PM
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5. Wow! Water IS wet!
Edited on Thu Apr-05-07 04:30 PM by AtomicKitten
One would have to reside under a rock to not know James Carville is a Clinton supporter and has been for years.

What is being conveniently overlooked here (bait and switch :eyes:) and much more interesting and relevant is that this indicates Carville is, in fact, not an adviser to Hillary or her campaign, a charge some DU'ers LUV to lob as a springboard for the HRC trashing de jour. Hmmmmmmmmmm.

On edit: I have every confidence DU's keyboard commandos in the spirit of fair play and sunshine on the process will get busy and be diligent about exposing all the other tee-vee pundits for having the audacity to support a candidate in the upcoming election. :eyes:

SUZANNE MALVEAUX:

* snip *

Let's start with you, James.

You said that you do not advise Hillary Clinton or her campaign, but that you publicly are a supporter.

JAMES CARVILLE, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: That's right.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 07:49 PM
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6. Carville also said:
"This is hardly firing a U.S. Attorney for political reasons,"
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