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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:25 AM
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Proof Cheney planned Iraq, BEFORE 9/11.
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 12:43 AM by garybeck

This single document explains a WHOLE LOT.



Iraqi Oil Map, from Cheney's secret "Energy Task Force" meetings, March 2001, seven months before 9/11. Obtained by Judicial Watch.

The question must be asked: Why was the Energy Task Force looking at a map of Iraq oil fields, in 2001???



Judicial Watch got these documents disclosed, but the "media" looked the other way and many people don't know they exist, even tho they were released quite a while ago. Time once again to be the media, 'cause they are one of the key pieces to the puzzle.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/iraqi-oil-maps.shtml

Maps and Charts of Iraqi Oil Fields

These are documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under a March 5, 2002 court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force. The documents contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.” The documents are dated March 2001. Click here to view the press release.

Iraq Oil Map
Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts - Part 1
Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts - Part 2
United Arab Emirates Oil Map
United Arab Emirates: Major Oil and Natural Gas Development Projects
Saudi Arabia Oil Map
Saudi Arabia: Major Oil and Natural Gas Development Projects
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:31 AM
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1. The original & forgotten explanation for the Iraq invasion
Remove Saddam so that sanctions could be lifted without the threat of rearming Iraq. The energy meetings probably addressed this, they wanted an end to the sanctions to get the oil flowing again.
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:34 AM
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2. Don't hear much about the oil anymore.
How's that plan working out for 'em?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:41 AM
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3. The coup de oil has been accomplished by american corporate........
BIG oil; we will all help fund the coup every time we gas up going forward. Screw job accomplished!!!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:32 PM
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14. electric cars for us all NOW! I can't wait for a owrld without petroleum. I would give
give up all plastic and anything else which comes from petroleum in a heartbeat. Imagine all the jobs building windmills and solar panels. the end of oil spills all over the world. I yearn for the day they have no power over us. All we need is a few courageous leaders, and we can do it now.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:23 PM
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16. Absolutely Agree!! NOW to find a courageous leader who will put.........
alternative, renewable, clean energy sources at the ultimate top of the priority list.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:06 PM
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20. More so is find one they will not Kill off Like the Kenedys JFK, RFK & JFK JR!
And Paul Wellstone.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 11:33 AM
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33. MLK.. you forgot one, unfortunately nt
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 01:01 PM
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34. Humm I did not put him in there because he was not a politician
Even though he did lead the civil rights movement and was apparently feared by the powers that really rule this land back then and today. JFK Jr was getting ready to start his political run as rumored.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:20 AM
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10. Pretty well
They've secured the second largest oil reserves in the world.
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 03:16 PM
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35. Um , ... I think you would have to define 'secured'... n/t
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:58 AM
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11. Exxon Mobil Profit Soars 75%
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102700449.html

High prices for crude oil, gasoline and natural gas helped Exxon Mobil Corp. to its highest-ever quarterly profit, $9.92 billion, up 75 percent from the third quarter last year, the company said yesterday.

Profit in the third quarter at the world's largest publicly traded oil company set an industry record, and its sales of $100.72 billion were the highest in a quarter by U.S. company, according to Standard & Poor's.

Other oil companies have reported soaring third-quarter profits this week. Royal Dutch Shell PLC, based in the Hague, said yesterday that its third-quarter profit was not far behind Exxon Mobil's: $9.03 billion, up 68 percent. London-based BP PLC reported profit of $6.53 billion, up 34 percent.

The industry benefited from tight supply and heavy demand that sent crude oil prices higher on world markets. Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico helped push futures prices for crude oil close to $70 a barrel and sent retail gasoline prices above $3 a gallon during the quarter. Natural gas prices rose to record highs.

...more...
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 12:05 AM
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26. Hello??? Anouncement was this week....
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:44 AM
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4. We should harass the msm about this.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:45 AM
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5. i agree. n/t
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 01:16 AM
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6. How much of 9/11 MIHOP do you suppose was worked out in those task force meetings?
Gary, thank you for pushing this back out. Compared to what's been revealed about the war, voting, and myriad other scandals, Cheney's energy task force is one that has mostly stayed under wraps (shrouds?). Everyone give a tug on your nearest loose thread.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:04 AM
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28. See post #27 below and link to Nixon's old plans
that were simply brought off the shelf at DOD and the dust blown off and 'Iraq' substituting for 'Saudi Arabia'.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 01:28 AM
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7. This was the smoking gun.
Scalia made sure that Dick's secret was safe with him. He deliberately stuffed our efforts to see what this "secret" meeting was all about. When that smoking gun was released...I knew the fix was in. 9/11 allowed them to start their PNAC plan. No wonder why they ignored the attack.

When will the MSM report this and help the American people understand what Dick Cheney's real agenda has been since the stolen election.

And Dick and his oil buddies can think that their changes to the Iraqi Constitution will facilitate the flow of oil into their hands....sorta like how we'd be greeted as liberators. It will never happen.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:35 AM
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12. So why is there no investigation yet?
There's obviously a few investigations underway, but I keep asking myself,,,,


Why is there no investigation into the runup to war, false intelligence, niger docs, 16 words, Downing Street Minutes, Plame, etc????



I say, put a hold on all the other investigations, and fire this one up, NOW!!!
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 01:36 AM
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8. Operation Iraqi Liberation O.I.L. n/t
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:05 AM
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9. What do you think "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts" means?
check out some of the other documents from the Energy Task Force on the Judicial Watch page. I'd like to know exactly what Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts means. What is that list all about?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 06:44 PM
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17. I wondered that too
Lot of countries on those two pages, except the United States. What's up with that? Are we to assume that these countries/companies would be doing business with Cheney and the US oil companies after Bush got rid of Saddam?
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:39 AM
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13. There were two plans
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 10:40 AM by CGowen
The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq's oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed.

Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protesters claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered.

In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists".


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm



And Bush was dreaming of Iraq in 1999 as Gov.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:36 PM
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15. I suggest Greg Palast's book Armed Madhouse. great insights into
Iraqi oil, and the division between the neocons and big oil. he suggests that this entire war was to maintain Iraqi oil UNDER capacity, to keep prices up for the Saudis and Bushes, and shows how this plan has been active for a long long time.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:00 PM
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18. Holy cr*p!

I never saw this! Just when I think I can't despise them any more than I already do...

:kick: and R!!!
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:21 PM
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19. The debunked Suskind Map again.
Hey, I'd love to nail Cheney on this as much as anyone, but the above map is from Suskind's first book about the Iraq war (I forget the name). He even showed it on "60 Minutes".

Unfortunately, it is NOT a map of oil fields in Iraq (I forget exactly what it is a map of), but the story was debunked a longtime ago, which is why you've barely heard of it up to now. :(
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:51 PM
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23. thanks for the clarification
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 11:01 PM
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24. Actually I remember seeing these and a few more when JW
first got a hold of these documents. This is an old old story. Don't know anything about them being "debunked"
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 09:39 AM
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30. Did you read the OP?
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 09:45 AM by Boo Boo
Don't know where Suskind got his map, but JW claims they got these documents (not just the one above) through a FOIA request which was contested in court by the Administration. That would make this map more of a "Judicial Watch Map" than a "Suskind Map." Obviously, the map above shows areas that are marked as Oil fields according the the map's legend. If what you're saying is true, then this map is a fake rather than being a map of something else---unless you can think of another meaning for the words, "Supergiant oilfield (5 billion barrels in reserves)."

If the maps have been debunked, why does JW still have them on their Web site? Did they not get the documents in the manner that they claim (FOIA lawsuit)?

:shrug:
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 10:01 AM
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31. I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, but....
There is a reasonably respectable (considering the source) explanation on the Right-Wing superblog (ick) "Powerline":
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/005628.php
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 10:43 AM
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32. Ah, so it's an argument over what Cheney was up to then. Whatever.
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 10:45 AM by Boo Boo
Powerline's take is a reasonable interpretation as far as it goes, except for the fact that O'Neill was "in the room." Not saying he was around when Dick was going over maps of Iraq with his Oil bid'ness buddies, but he was around to hear enough to know that Cheney, Bush, et al pretty much came into office talking about Iraq from the get-go. That was O'Neill's allegation, and arguments over whether or not maps of Iraq originated in the Pentagon or not really don't have any bearing on that.

I don't consider that to be "debunked," it's just another interpretation with (intentionally?) limited scope. The documents are what they were claimed to be: maps of Middle East Oil resources. The Powerline guys are trying to discredit Suskind and O'Neill by fixating on the document (and what department produced it) and ignoring the central charge, which is O'Neill's claim that the Bush admin was obsessed with Iraq from the very beginning of the Administration.

Whatever. The documents are what they are: Oil maps.

Thanks for the linky! :7
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:39 PM
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21. That's been out there for a while.
But, of course, the media doesn't care to report on it or talk about it ad nauseum like they do dead blondes, missing blondes, shaved blondes, so the American public doesn't know to care.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:47 PM
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22. As I remember it
bush wanted to invade Iraq from day 1 of his misbegotten administration.
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Xose Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 11:15 PM
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25. Cheney & Iraq's oil fields.
I remember seeing these maps durng a 60 Minute segment on Cheney prior to the 2004 election. I am pleased to see it back in the public eye.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:02 AM
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27. And Nixon's old '73 plans to seize Saudi oil fields just morphed into 'Iraq'
as in the old movie Three Days of the Condor...


Document reveals Nixon plan to seize Arab oil fields
'70s embargo sparked 'last resort' measure, says British memo

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/01/02/MNG8G427D61.DTL

Cheney and Rummy were in the Nixon WH back then weren't they ?
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:57 AM
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29. Read my signature link ....
the planning goes back a lot further than that.
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