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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 09:52 PM
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TIME: How the Front Runners Lost Their Edge; Clinton "is fighting the last war"
Edited on Wed Feb-28-07 09:57 PM by DeepModem Mom
How the Front Runners Lost Their Edge
Thursday, Feb. 22, 2007
By JOE KLEIN


Presidential hopefuls Senator Hillary Clinton (L) (D-NY) and Senator John McCain (R-AZ).
(Christopher Morris/VII)

In the beginning, Hillary Clinton and John McCain were the front runners in the 2008 presidential campaign, and it was good. Two strong, colorful candidates. What could be better? That was a few months ago--pre-surge, pre-Obama. In the party of primogeniture, the 70-year-old McCain was next in line for the throne. He was, and still is, scarfing up the fund raisers, pols and operatives who represent the beating heart of the Republican Party. And Hillary was ... Hillary. No last name necessary. It was an article of faith that because of money and marriage, the junior Senator from New York had it locked up. It still is an article of faith among right-wing talk-show hosts, who tend to believe in their wildest fantasies. "She's got it locked up, right?" Sean Hannity said to Dick Morris during a radio smarm-athon a few weeks ago. Of course, Morris agreed, juicily, but "wait till people see that she's an even bigger flip-flopper than John Kerry."

The odd thing about this conversation is how irrelevant it seemed. For one thing, no one with any sense still believes that Clinton--or McCain, for that matter--has the nomination locked up. And flip-flopping? Wasn't that the last election? So imagine my surprise to learn, in the New York Times, that Clinton was thinking right along with Morris, that she was really, really worried that if she admitted that her vote to authorize the invasion of Iraq was a mistake, she could be accused of being a flip-flopper. "She is in a box now ... but she doesn't want to be in a different, even worse box--the vacillating, flip- flopping Democratic candidate went down to defeat in 2000 and '04," said one of the Senator's apparently limitless supply of advisers. "She wants to maintain a firmness ... That's what people will want in 2008."

No, they won't. Most voters don't care if Hillary Clinton says "I was wrong" about Iraq. They know she was wrong, and they sense she regrets it. After all, she's against the surge and for a phased withdrawal. She knows more about national-security issues than most of her Democratic opponents do, and when she talks about what to do in Iraq, she makes sense. That should be all that matters. But there are about 873 people on the left edge of the Democratic Party, plus assorted anti-Clinton consultant trolls like Morris, who want to torment her over this. And she, inexplicably, is allowing herself to be tormented. One would think that after six stubborn years of George W. Bush, Clinton would realize there is a bull market for candidates who can admit, and learn from, mistakes. When John Edwards simply said "I was wrong" about Iraq on Meet the Press a few weeks ago, it seemed to defuse even Tim Russert, who can flog a flip-flop better than anyone else.

Clinton's sclerotic firmness may be chronic, a consequence of the sort of campaign she appears to be running--which is to say, the sort of campaign in which you put a ravening horde of consultants in a room and have them discuss whether you should say "I was wrong" about Iraq instead of making up your own mind and speaking the obvious truth. In other words, she's running against the Kerry campaign by imitating the Kerry campaign. She's fighting the last war....

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1592851,00.html
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 09:55 PM
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1. Honestly, there is more then a year to go before the final candidates
have been decided...this is stupid of the media and irresponsible since they are partly responsible for Bush in the first place!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:00 PM
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2. Well, at least the story is just "lost their edge," not lost the race. nt
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:08 PM
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4. That's true, but I'd bet McCain is already history, even before he
has officially announced! I think we can all make a reasonable determination of any candidate who is digging their own hole, and continuing to dig. John's close alliance with Shrub, and his total support of Iraq and the surge when mostAmericans were turning the other way couldn't spell anything but doom!
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:22 PM
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8. The article's take on McCain, which isn't posted, is interesting --
that he was ahead of his time, with his "straight talk," and his bold rejection of the fundies. Now he's just another panderer.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:40 PM
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11. Well, he's going on Letterman tonite, we'll see what that does to his numbers
Frankly, all this horseracing is a waste of print. It's too soon yet. One day a hero, next day a goat. Look at Dean...how quickly his fortunes changed.

Too early to tell I think...
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:05 PM
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3. Oh, great, another the "media" examines the "corpormedia"'s obsession about "fill in the blank".
It seems they're trying to promote utter hopelessness and disgust with the political process, if this article is any indication. MKJ
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:15 PM
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5. I believe that the "Bigs" encourage apathy.....
then they can have the stage to themselves.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:18 PM
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6. Bwahahaha eat it Hillary and McScum.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:18 PM
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7. Don't you have to have an edge in order to lose it?
The MSM apparently creates their own reality.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:23 PM
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9. I think in the polls, at least, Clinton and McCain both had a sizeable edge? nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:27 PM
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10. I guess it depends on the poll.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 11:10 PM
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13. It's like they can't wait to give away the end of the movie before it starts
You'd think this article was written in May 2008 after both dropped out of the primary season while Gore and Romney gear up for their appointed conventions.

OK, a Republican friend of mine (who I actually respect...) said it will be Gore v. Romney with Gore winning. That was months ago... but I digress.

Perhaps the MSM already has the script and just let the cat out of the bag...this article being one example.




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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 10:58 PM
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12. The polls change every day. They contradict one another.
It really is early. It really is tiresome.

I really am glad my two favorite candidates are not even in this thing yet. Hopefully, one or the other may decide to take the plunge. But I'd rather it be later than sooner.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:21 AM
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14. Excuse me but the only one do lose his ass
in the early polls is McCain. HRC has maintained her lead over Obama and will continue to lead....

Each time we read something like this from Time or Newsweek etc etc or hear a talk radio Nazi say "She can't win," it means they're afraid of her.
Talk radio whores are saying great things about Obama, which should make you wonder. Why would a facsist bastard say nice things about Obama?

I have nothing bad to say about Obama.If Obama wins - whoever wins the Democratic nomination, I'm behind him/her all the way. (That's a sentence you won't hear from most lefty web sites.)

But seriously, between Obama with two years experience and the only team to win back-to-back presidential campaigns since FDR, (the team that beat war hero Bush and war hero Dole),

...who do you think the super-racist GOP wants to run against?

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:24 AM
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15. They want Hillary
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:43 AM
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16. That;'s why I'm for Edwards n/t
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Redneck Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 03:00 AM
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17. Klein's an idiot
Hillary and McCain are front runners only with the media, neither is all that popular with their respective bases and anyone who expected them to waltz to the nomination is a fool.

Oh and Joey, there are way more than "873" of us on the "left edge of the Democratic Party" who are quite happy to "torment" Mrs. Clinton over her vote for war.
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