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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:39 PM
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Wow! From HuffPo: YES, Hillary!
Better catch it before Arianna has it deleted:

David Geffen (said) to Maureen Dowd:

"Obama is inspirational, and he's not from the Bush royal family or the Clinton royal family."

First, please tar the Bushes and the Clintons with different brushes. The new "gotcha" is that "royal family" talking point. The Bush royal family alludes to seventy generations of the Bush family war profiteering and destroying America and the world. Clinton had his allotted two terms, no thanks to congress. And yes, they treated him royally, just like Marie Antoinette, Louis XVI and Anne Boleyn.

When asked if Obama can stand up to "Clinton Inc", Geffen said further, "I hope so, because that machine is going to be very unpleasant and unattractive and effective."

Yes! Yes!! Because of the ugliness of who and what we are up against in Washington now, this is what we need to fight and win now; unpleasant, unattractive, and effective. The democratic voters have learned NOTHING in the last six years. We're still campaigning with flowers in our hair. We're still looking for inspiration and untarnished purity. We want to be better than they are. Wake up! It's a world of Dick Cheney and Karl Rove, liars and killers and plunderers and thieves. Inspirational? Do we have to lose again? Instead of co-opting the success and impenetrability of the most effective self-profiting criminal regime in United States history, we still, still, still want to come at it from an altruistic, romantic place. Well give me a plumber. Give me a shark. Give me a veteran. Obama later, Hillary now. We cannot build before we get someone in there to clear and hold. Inspirational? They're not going to waft up to you. We need someone who can go down there and drag them up by their combovers. I agree, Obama is inspirational, smart, good, approachable, likeable, seemingly gentle. Does a flower like that bloom in Washington? No. Bush will be gone, but the obstructionist, lying, pandering senators will still be there, entrenched and waiting to tear into his belly; Sessions, Hatch, Lott, Stevens..


Every negative word I hear spoken against Hillary sounds to me only like a positive; tough, old school, cold, an insider. Great!! Let those senators whom you and I know to be slimy cowards shiver at her approach. Let them be unsteady, not knowing how hard they can publicly attack while still making a show of that fake old school bullshit gentility towards women, whom every vote of theirs proves they hate. Hillary can take it all, she HAS taken it. They know that, and they want anyone but Hillary. They'll never be able to play their game against her. She's survived more than they ever could, with their untested jello backbones. They can't touch her. She scares them, the way all smart, capable women scare calcified cowards and bullies. There's nothing I'd like to see more than a brilliant, capable, experienced, intimidating, fearless humanist moving into the white house, and I don't care if she's likeable or warm, I have dogs for that. And as a bonus, how sweet it would be to see Bill Clinton walking back up those steps, smiling at the tiny bastards who so shamefully tried to destroy a man whose small personal lie did not kill over three thousand Americans and one million Iraqis.


You want Hillary to apologize for voting for the war first? You're helping the repulsicans cut our throats. Here is my theory on Hillary's war vote, based on nothing more than having too much time on my hands. I believe Hillary was against the war. I believe she voted for the war to prove she was presidential material. Isn't that ironic? I think she felt she had to vote for the war or when she ran they'd be saying; "A woman can't go to war when necessary". We see it as unforgivable because of so much death, but almost the whole damn government voted for the war, and no matter their doubts in starting, they could not know there was no plan after the first three weeks, when the real death began. The only negative now would be if she were still for it. Again, we are letting the Bush backwards-naming cabal (Clear Skies, Healthy Forests, etc. etc.) define our terms. It's not flip-flopping. It's growth. It's being aware, conscious and thoughtful. Speak out against the candidates who still think the war was/is a good idea. Don't do the repulsicans job for them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elayne-boosler/yes-hillary_b_41814.html
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:43 PM
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1. Seventy generations?
Wow, I knew about the Bush family's history of war profiteering, but had no idea that it stretched back to roughly the first century BC.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:54 PM
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7. Excuse me, but I think you are a trifle confused
Looking "generation" up in a dictionary might be helpful,
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 04:18 PM
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12. I am confused by your comment...
Edited on Fri Feb-23-07 04:19 PM by jakem
isnt a generation considered around 25 years?

70 * 25 = 1750 years?
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 09:08 PM
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18. I was using 30 years as the definition
70*30=2100, taking us back to 93 BC. So the Bushes either profited from Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars or Gallianus's Dacian campaign, depending on which definition you use.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 09:29 PM
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19. No, Im with you-
I was questioning the comment by Juajen-
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 10:10 PM
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20. Historically, 25 years,
but, in my husband's family, a generation is 51 years; the dictionary explains why there can be large variations.

Sorry, I left and got on another thread.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 10:58 PM
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21. why did you suggest looking up 'generation'
seemed like we were all on the same track-

sorry, i know this is off topic. i was just wondering...
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 09:29 AM
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24. I think Chomsky has documented
I think Chomsky has documented that Plutonius Bush conspired with Crassus to secure the lamp oil reserves of Parthia.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:46 PM
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2. I wish Hil. well. She needs lots of tough hide to withstand the cutiing
shrill voices out there.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:46 PM
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3. excellent. nt.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:46 PM
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4. Yes, I'm with you and Hillary!
She is the only one who has done battle with these Republican bastards and beat them at their own game. We have to WIN first in order to govern. I am so sick and tired of the rhetoric on this board bashing her. We can be so stupid, eating our own. The excuses I hear for bashing her, unbelievable! She won't apologize for her war vote. The reason is that the Repukes will label her a flip-flopper and she knows the game. So be smart and understand this--don't fall into the Republicans trap. If she can please New Yorkers she must have some substance.

I think Obama is great, but he needs seasoning.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 03:32 PM
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8. We've had ENOUGH of seasoned POLITICIANS
I prefer a LEADER. That doesn't come from political experience. You're born with it.

I think that Obama is a born leader. He has also lived abroad and experienced different cultures. A plus in my book. I also think Richardson is a leader and has dealt effectively with foreign policy issues. Al Gore, another leader who has shown his strength in the global warming debate. Wes Clark... a leader with a proven track record of dealing with international crisis.

Hillary...she is an experienced POLITICIAN. No thank you.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 03:34 PM
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9. WE have? You've seen some stats on that?
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 05:51 PM
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14. I would say that people who want a Politician instead of a leader
would be in the minority. Of course that would be an educated guess. I don't have any stats on that.. sorry.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:20 PM
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15. perhaps in your sphere of existance there is a difference
Everyone I know thinks of, Bill Clinton for example, as a fine leader.
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 07:06 PM
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17. I would say that New Yorkers believe that Hillary is a leader
I'm not saying that Obama isn't, just that she is more experienced. And I can't believe you think that Obama isn't a politician. The two things are not mutually exclusive--leader versus politician. One can be both.

I think a good example of someone who had the right ideals and was a perfectly honest man but a terrible politician is Jimmy Carter. But he got eaten alive by the Republican politicians. Ronald Reagan was a superb politician and instituted some of the most damaging policies ever to our nation. But because he was such a good politician, history remembers him as a great president.
To think that this system is going to change is naive.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 08:54 AM
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23. obviously
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:48 PM
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5. K& R
You make such good sense, you're bound to be ignored. Good writing!
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 02:53 PM
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6. Elayne Boosler!
I love it when she substitutes for Stephanie Miller. I think that's coming up again week after next.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 03:53 PM
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10. Thank you for posting. Very tough-talking & real article. I



like that in a journalist and our leaders. Our congress and next President is going to have to be tough-enough to chew 'em up & spit 'em out :applause:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:01 AM
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25. That's not journalism, though.
That's punditry.

Journalism is about seeking out facts objectively. This is an opinion piece.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 04:13 PM
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11. Who the hell does he think he is.
Drugs making him stupid?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 04:22 PM
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13. they're influencing someone, that is for sure.
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-23-07 06:51 PM
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16. Like I've been saying K&R
But better.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 12:25 AM
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22. The Clintons are equal to the task ahead. (n/t)
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:33 AM
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26. K&R
Hillary knows how to play the game, and if she can find a way to overcome my own personal favorite choice, Obama, in the primaries and become elected President, I'm confident she'll hand the Republicans their asses on a platter during her term(s).

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