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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:01 PM
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GHWB at eulogy refers to Warren Commiss'n as the final say (so stop saying those things about me...)
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 05:03 PM by seafan
This, from Poppy at President Ford's eulogy today is very creepy.



George H.W. Bush’s Eulogy for Gerald R. Ford

Published: January 2, 2007

Following is the transcript of the eulogy for former President Gerald R. Ford delivered today by former President George H.W. Bush in Washington, as recorded by The New York Times.



snip

Long before he arrived in Washington, Gerald Ford’s word was good. During the three decades of public service that followed his arrival in our nation’s capital, time and again he would step forward and keep his promise even when the dark clouds of political crisis gathered over America.

After a deluded gunman assassinated President Kennedy, our nation turned to Gerald Ford and a select handful of others to make sense of that madness. And the conspiracy theorists can say what they will, but the Warren Commission report will always have the final definitive say on this tragic matter. Why? Because Jerry Ford put his name on it and Jerry Ford’s word was always good.

snip



So, we are back to the scene of the crime.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:03 PM
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1. Sounds to me like someone is feeling guilty. Kick and Nom.
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yojon Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:05 PM
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2. Methinks Poppy doth protest too much
Did you ask him about tbe Warren Commission? I didn't...
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:08 PM
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3. I don't think Poppy feels guilty
I think he is afraid of all the truth on his family hitting mainstream awareness. Their crimes go back beyond his father.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:08 PM
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4. Of course, the corporate media didn't notice his lie!
The corporate media isn't worth anything these days...unless you're in the buisness of perpetuating official lies!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:09 PM
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5. They always return to the scene...
NGU.


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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:31 PM
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12. Just like Nixon and that Bay of Pigs thing.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:10 PM
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6. Well GHWB; looks like you are completely absolved...........
of any involvement or wrongdoing regarding JFK; so says GRF. Your GOD, GHWB, knows better.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:18 PM
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7. Weird! Bringing up conspiracy theorists just like Junior
who forbade us from discussing "outrageous" 9-11 conspiracy theories. HMMMMMMMMM.........
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:22 PM
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8. Damn those Conspiracy Theorists!
I hate when they ask questions!!!
:sarcasm:
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:26 PM
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9. Wow, that puts more credibility on the "Mr George Bush of the CIA"
theory than almost anything else could have. I'm impressed. Wouldn't it be great if he went all batshit crazy and started to 'fess up every time he was in public?

I really do wonder how you sleep with so much horror on your conscience poppy.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:28 PM
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10. Methinks Poppy doth protest too much...
US House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded "conspiracy"

The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations was established in 1976 to investigate the John F. Kennedy assassination and the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination. The Committee investigated until 1978, and in 1979 issued its final report, concluding that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, probably as a result of a conspiracy. The members of this probable conspiracy were not identified.

The sole acoustic evidence relied on by the committee's expert's to support its theory of a fourth gunshot (and a gunman on the grassy knoll) in the JFK assassination, was a Dictabelt recording alleged to be from a stuck transmitter on a police motorcycle in Dealey Plaza during the assassination.

Wikipedia on US HSCA Report


Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:30 PM
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11. Ford covered up Nixon's crimes through the pardon, and he covered up George Bush's role
in the Kennedy assassination through his membership on the Warren Commission. No wonder the Republicans are giving him such a huge send-off.
Will there be coverage of St. Peter welcoming him at the Holy Gate?

From the internets ---


"A November 29, 1963, memorandum from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to the Director of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the Department of State refers to the fact that information on the assassination of President Kennedy was "orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." At the request of the Review Board, the CIA made a thorough search of its records in an attempt to determine if the "George Bush" referred to in the memorandum might be identical to President and former Director of Central Intelligence George Herbert Walker Bush. That search determined that the CIA had no association with George Herbert Walker Bush during the time frame referenced in the document. The records that the Review Board examined showed that the only other "George Bush" serving in the CIA in 1963 was a junior analyst who has repeatedly denied being the "George Bush" referenced in the memorandum. The Review Board staff found one reference to an Army Major General George Bush in the calendars of Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles. There was no indication if this General Bush could be the referenced George Bush."

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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:32 PM
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13. Seriously, why else would he say something like that?
To me, it seems obvious that he's hiding something when a person says something like that, unprovoked. It's like the Jedi mind trick--is he trying to tell us what to believe? Like "9/11 changed everything"--he's not speaking the truth, he's saying what he WANTS to be true, and if he says it enough, maybe it will sink in. I believe it's called "catipulting the propaganda". Like father, like son.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 05:55 PM
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14. I think he's being too hard on himself.
Just because he can't remember where he was doesn't make him "deluded."
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:00 PM
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15. well everyone involved will probably be dead
when they open the files in 2017...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:06 PM
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16. I caught that too
Thought it was particularly weird to bring that up considering it isn't really being talked about, and throw in the conspiracy theorists stuff too. Coming from him, very creepy for sure.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:12 PM
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17. CREEPY and entirely inappropriate.
Poppy is working overtime, isn't he?:grr:

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:16 PM
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18. Of course, with the upcoming investigations, and there will be many,
Poppy inappropriately couldn't restrain himself from bringing this up. It stood out like a sore thumb.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:18 PM
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19. Absolutely.
Welcome to DU.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:18 PM
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22. Remember the FBI suddenly demanding deceased journalist Jack Anderson's papers
...earlier this year, claiming that they were looking for information on AIPAC that should be *classified*, and his family is resisting turning over his private papers?

Only, his family became suspicious as they noted that Mr. Anderson had never written about AIPAC...


Interesting time frame of Mr. Anderson's work...


F.B.I. Is Seeking to Search Papers of Dead Reporter, April 19, 2006, by Scott Shane

WASHINGTON, April 18 — The F.B.I. is seeking to go through the files of the late newspaper columnist Jack Anderson to remove classified material he may have accumulated in four decades of muckraking Washington journalism.
Mr. Anderson's family has refused to allow a search of 188 boxes, the files of a well-known reporter who had long feuded with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and had exposed plans by the Central Intelligence Agency to kill Fidel Castro, the machinations of the Iran-contra affair and the misdemeanors of generations of congressmen.

Mr. Anderson's son Kevin said that to allow government agents to rifle through the papers would betray his father's principles and intimidate other journalists, and that family members were willing to go to jail to protect the collection.
"It's my father's legacy," said Kevin N. Anderson, a Salt Lake City lawyer and one of the columnist's nine children. "The government has always and continues to this day to abuse the secrecy stamp. My father's view was that the public is the employer of these government employees and has the right to know what they're up to."

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But the F.B.I.'s quest for secret material leaked years ago to a now-dead journalist, first reported Tuesday in the Chronicle of Higher Education, seems unprecedented, said several people with long experience in First Amendment law.
"I'm not aware of any previous government attempt to retrieve such material," said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. "Librarians and historians are having a fit, and I can't imagine a bigger chill to journalists."
The George Washington University librarian, Jack Siggins, said the university strongly objected to the F.B.I.'s removing anything from the Anderson archive.
"We certainly don't want anyone going through this material, let alone the F.B.I., if they're going to pull documents out," Mr. Siggins said. "We think Jack Anderson represents something important in American culture — answers to the question, How does our government work?"

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Kevin Anderson said said F.B.I. agents first approached his mother, Olivia, early this year.
"They talked about the Aipac case and that they thought Dad had some classified documents and they wanted to take fingerprints from them" to identify possible sources, he recalled. "But they said they wanted to look at all 200 boxes and if they found anything classified they'd be duty-bound to take them."
Both Kevin Anderson and Mr. Feldstein, the journalism professor, said they did not think the columnist ever wrote about Aipac.
Mr. Anderson said he thought the Aipac case was a pretext for a broader search, a conclusion shared by others, including Thomas S. Blanton, who oversees the National Security Archive, a collection of historic documents at George Washington.

"Recovery of leaked C.I.A. and White House documents that Jack Anderson got back in the 70's has been on the F.B.I.'s wanted list for decades," Mr. Blanton said.
Mr. Carter of the F.B.I. declined to comment on any connection to the Aipac case or to say how the bureau learned that classified documents were in the Anderson files.




And this, from a commenter at HuffingtonPost from April 30, 2006:


April 29, 2006 -- FBI agents lied about what they wanted from Jack Anderson's papers. The FBI agents who, in December, approached Olivia Anderson, the widow of deceased investigative reporter Jack Anderson and more recently, in March, author and researcher Mark Feldstein, who is writing a book about Jack Anderson, were interested in far more than the names of sources in the America-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) espionage case. That explanation by the FBI did not hold any water since Jack Anderson had not been active in pursuing that particular story -- he had suffered from Parkinson's Disease since 1986. According to individuals close to the FBI fishing expedition, the actual documents the FBI wanted to seize were files Anderson collected in the 1960s that linked George H. W. Bush's activities in Texas in 1963 to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas on November 22 of that year. Bush was a friend of George DeMohrenschildt, Lee Harvey Oswald's Belarusian-born contact officer. DeMohrenschildt befriended Oswald and arranged for him to settle in Dallas after leaving the Soviet Union. DeMohrenshildt "committed suicide" shortly before he was due to testify before the 1978 House Assassinations Committee. The elder Bush's name, address, and phone number in Midland, Texas was found in DeMohrenshildt's address book under the heading "Poppy."



Anderson's papers contain information on George H. W. Bush's role in Dallas in November 1963. Dubya ordered papers seized and withheld as "classified" U.S. government documents. It is clear that the man standing in front of the Texas School Book Depository and his son have much to be worried about.

In addition, the FBI wanted to remove from future public circulation Anderson documents that point to George H. W. Bush conspiring with the government of the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran to keep U.S. hostages imprisoned in Iran until after the 1980 presidential election and avoid an "October Surprise" for Carter. The agreement between the Iranians and Bush (who was working with William Casey) sank the chances for Jimmy Carter's re-election and George H. W. Bush's entry into the White House as Vice President. The hostages were released at the very time Ronald Reagan took the oath of office in 1981. That operation would lay the ground for future Bush-Tehran collusion in the Iran-Contra scandal. Another set of files involve the links between the Bush family and that of Ronald Reagan's would-be assassin John W. Hinckley. Had Hinckley succeeded in killing Reagan, the Bush political agenda would have commenced in earnest in 1981 rather than 1989.

The Bush family has been known to use retired FBI agents as their political heavies and clean up men in the past -- most notably to erase the Bush links to Dallas. George W. Bush's departing Press Secretary Scott McClellan has a close relative who continued to muddy the waters about the JFK assassination. McClellan's father, Barr McClellan, wrote a book claiming it was Lyndon Johnson, not George H. W. Bush, who conspired to kill the president.



All of these many hidden threads are weaving more tightly into a very nasty vision.



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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 12:07 PM
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28. All this information is coming out drip drip drip and soon
coming out in bucket fulls how this Poppy Bush has taken a hold of this country and ruled by assasination and threats

The Deaths are going to haunt the Bush family for centuries no matter how much destroy there always will be papers out there hidden until he pasts away

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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:18 PM
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20. I think he spoke what was foremost on his mind when it came to Ford
Kind of like when you talk about something without giving all the details not realizing your audience has no idea what you are talking about, but that was what Ford's death meant to him, it really gives an insight into the truth of the Kennedy Assasination..... cause it was not really relevant to the funeral services it was merely relevant to him, which as most of you suspect means that GHWB was part of it despite the Warren Commission..
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 06:59 PM
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21. This would be the same GHWB who immediately after the Kennedy assassination ..
.. decided it would be prudent now to inform the FBI that he had recently heard rumors someone planned to kill Kennedy in Texas?

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/George_H.W._Bush_JFK_assassination_letter
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 08:43 PM
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24. Kinda like his kid
who 'found out' about 9/11 AFTER the fact....but then it was all Clinton's fault anyhow...hey, where WAS Bill when Kennedy was killed? I am sure he had something to do with that too......at least in the Bush clan's mind anyhow.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 07:57 PM
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23.  oh geeeeeeeeez, ford's funeral just gave poppy another opportunity to bleat!
Edited on Tue Jan-02-07 07:59 PM by flordehinojos
this time, in a very obscure and surreptitious way, he is bleating about his own innocence--not! in the kennedy assassination!
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-02-07 11:55 PM
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25. yeah I noticed that.
He didn't mention the big fact, that most Americans do NOT believe that LHO acted alone. Most Americans don't believe the Warren Commission report.

Did the '78 commission ask Arlen Specter where he took high school and/or college physics to come up with the "magic Bullet" theory???

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 11:06 AM
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26. Either (1) he's senile; (2) he thinks we're stupid; (3) he's creating a distraction.
Get everyone talking about the Kennedy assassination again, and turn their attention away from the very serious problems we're confronted with now, such as the after effects of the Saddam execution circus (state-sponsored assassination), and the escalation of troops being sent to die for Little Boots' insatiable ego.

The old man is a cunning bastard. Everything he does is calculated to the nth degree. There is a reason he brought this subject matter up. If it just bubbled up from his subconscious and he couldn't prevent it, then he's beginning to display senile dementia, just as he cried about Jeb in front of everyone. It could be he's losing control.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-03-07 12:24 PM
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27. i think 2 + 3 + a little desperation - nt
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