Bilbray about to be found guilt of election fraud!

[Seabiscuit]

Please don't e-mail me and please don't ask me here how I know this but I learned this today for a FACT:

In early August, 2006, several people contacted the Busby campaign office offering information that they had been subpoened to serve on a grand jury investigating Brian Bilbray for election fraud as a result of his "carpetbagging" activities: Registering as a Republican candidate in January, 2006 in Carlsbad, California (in order to run for election to Cunningham's vacated seat), at his mother's address, while at the same time he had already signed a deed of purchase for a house in Virginia as his "primary residence", which is binding under the law, and his two daughters testified under oath that they lived there for purposes of "in-state vs. out of state" tuition programs, and while for tax benefits he still maintainted a "primary residence" in Imperial Beach, CA, a southern San Diego town near the Mexican border.

Unfortunately, the MSM, including the North County Times and the San Diego Union, the two primary paper/internet media publications here in San Diego (nctimes.com and signonsandiego.com), have been unable to positively confirm all this, because the deputy DA in charge of it refused to confirm or deny the existence of the grand jury investigating these charges by covering herself in the "secrecy" of grand jury proceedings.

Meanwhile, asked about this story by the MSM, Bilbray (1) said there is "no documentation" to prove the story is true (there never is in a secretive grand jury investigation, (2) claimed the Busby campaign was "desperate" for running the story, but (3) NEVER DENIED THE TRUTH THAT THE INVESTIGATION IS GOING FORWARD!

He must be soiling his pants today after reading the recent poll that Busby picked up 11% on Bilbray on the past MONTH and is now in a dead heat with him. No wonder he's in denial publicly, and no wonder he's refused or ignored all 7 invitations to debate Francine in public, on radio or TV. He's running scared on one issue: "Fence off most of the border with Mexico"!!!!! What about the REST of the border, Brian??? And what are you going to do with the 13 million undocumented Mexicans already here? No answer? OF COURSE!

Call me naive, but as an attorney who is NOT schooled in the technicalities of grand jury proceedings, it seems to me that the DA CAN divulge the *existence* of a grand jury proceeding without compromising the secrecy of its investigations.

Here's what I think: The deputy DA named by Busby on her website is a Republican, doing their bidding before the election. But the DA himself is a strong Democrat, and I suspect that HE will divulge the existence of this investigation on the eve of the Nov. 7 elections.

FWIW.

[quiet.american]

1. I was just thinking about Busby/Bilbray. Thanks for bringing this up. n/t

[Land Shark]

3. Final briefs will be filed in Busby/Bilbray appeal Thursday

and a decision is expected or hoped for prior to the election.

[quiet.american]

5. Thank you. n/t

[midnight]

14. I know you have been working hard on this issue. Thanks

for not giving up...Good luck on this. I hope a decision is made prior to the election.

[kpete]

2. Fingers crossed

hoping and praying

San Diego could use some good news on the election front

[Spiffarino]

4. I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but...

I think the fact that a Grand Jury has convened for a particular investigation is supposed to be secret to protect the individual from the taint of it. If the GJ finds nothing to pursue, it drops the matter and nobody's reputation is hurt.

Much as I want us to pick up the Dookster's seat, it's the right thing to do. I wouldn't want something like that following me for the rest of my life if I'd done nothing wrong. Now if he DID commit fraud, I hope they tear him a new one! :grr:

[Gregorian]

6. Please be true. Please!

No wonder Hastert had to have his little pomp and circumstance.

Kicking and Arrrring.

We have waited through republican dog shit for so long. We need a mountain of payback.

[Land Shark]

9. Now on the assumption the OP is true, then query why would Hastert

swear in Bilbray so quickly under disputed close election circumstances (not a blowout there...)

Could it have anything to do with this hypothetical election fraud investigation/risk?

[bleever]

12. Pre-emptive foregone conclusionism.

Says it's true, speed away, and throw empty beer cans at the losers chasing after you.

[Maat]

7. Here's hoping it's all exactly as listed above!

Thanks for the post, Counselor. I'm in Jeeni Cricenzo's district (next door to Francine Busby's), and Hubby and I are volunteering for her; may both she and Francine be elected this November!

[madfloridian]

8. Maybe that's why the DCCC pulled out.

I heard they did. I did not know they were helping Busby.

Recommending.

[slackmaster]

21. No, DCCC pulled out because they saw Busby as a lost cause

:argh:

[drm604]

10. I don't think a grand jury can find someone guilty of something.

I'm not a lawyer so I could be mistaken, but I don't think that a grand jury can find someone guilty of something. I believe all they can do is decide whether or not to indict, which is not the same as being found guilty.

[Tom Joad]

13. We still have trials in the US, yes. Well, for now we do, and

especially for Congresspeople.
given the headline of this post, i suspect this. I would be very surprised if there is even an indictment.

[Seabiscuit]

18. You're absolutely correct about that.

I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. My OP was typed when I was very tired last night and is full of typos.

It would be nice if an indictment were handed down prior to the election, but I'm not counting on it. Of course, Bilbray would be entitled to trial on the charges and would have to plead guilty or be convicted prior to having to step down. If he wins this election and that happens, Francine or anyone else out there who takes her place would have to go through another special election to fill the vacancy, and I wouldn't wish that on anyone, especially Francine, who's already been down that road.

[JerseygirlCT]

19. yes, this is correct nt

[snowbear]

11. You mean this Bilbray? The "family Values Bilbray"?

Bilbray Kids


Briana Bilbray invites you to enjoy the champagne of beers — responsibly.






Seriously, don’t Congressmen have, like, people in charge of at least password-protecting their boss’ daughter’s photo albums of underage partying?

http://www.wonkette.com/politics/brian-bilbray/brian-bilbrays-kids-love-social-networking-natty-light-181733.php

[Divine Discontent]

16. well at least their multi cultural....

:sarcasm:

[FogerRox]

17. Account deleted

http://www.myspace.com/casurfer1234

Brainas account:



Briana says she went to
West Potomac High
Alexandria, VIRGINIA
Graduated: 2004
Student status: Alumni
Degree: High School Diploma

http://www.myspace.com/itsbrianayo

Watch the movie she made, her dad getting sworn in, with HAstert, with Bush, With Cheney

[Divine Discontent]

24. TOO MUCH... these people are retarded n/t

[FogerRox]

15. Bilbray sued in Cali for free tuition in Cali for his kids,

Dec '05

In his latest stunt, Bilbray and his two children have joined a group of parents and students who have filed a class action lawsuit in Yolo County Superior Court against California's public university and community college systems. The suit argues that out-of-state students are being discriminated against because they have to pay higher out-of-state tuition.

Bilbray is griping because his kids went to a private school in Virginia and have to pay out-of-state tuition to attend community college in San Diego, while children who graduated from a California high school but whose parents entered the state illegally, get in-state tuition.

Bilbray lives in Virginia, though he told the press he has been living with his mother in La Costa for the last three or four months, splitting his time between Washington, D.C. There is no residency requirement for congressional candidates. But California does have residency requirements for students to get in-state tuition at public colleges and universities.

http://dwb.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/14017464p-14850097c.html

Wiki covers this too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Bilbray

Oct 13th, '06

An e-mail yesterday from Busby said: “This morning, the North County Times reported that a 'grand jury investigation of Republican Brian Bilbray's legal residency' is underway.”

Info on the law suit shuold be easy to get, pretty much verifying his VA residency.

The e-mail gave an edited-down version of what the newspaper reported yesterday. The newspaper reported the “San Diego Democratic Party sent out an e-mail . . . saying that it had 'heard reports' of a grand jury investigation of Republican Brian Bilbray's legal residency.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20061013-9999-1mi13busby.html

[slackmaster]

20. Have you checked your facts, seabiscuit?

But the DA himself is a strong Democrat, and I suspect that HE will divulge the existence of this investigation on the eve of the Nov. 7 elections.

The San Diego County DA is a woman - Bonnie Dumanis.

http://www.sdcda.org/

[FogerRox]

22. What may happen is Bilbray could get indicted..... by the Grand Jury.

Busby has closed on Bilbray, shes only down by 4pts IIRC.

[Seabiscuit]

25. You're absolutely correct, slackmaster.

Again, as mentioned in the middle of this thread, I was very tired when I wrote the OP and although the information about the grand jurors is correct, the title is misleading, the whole post is full of typos and I got that gratuitous comment about the DA confused. Bonnie Dumanis is indeed the DA in SD County.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

23. Wow!!!

That's quite a feat, without a trial...

...or even an indictment.

Is he being declared an enemy combatant? Because that's the only way I see that your post makes any goddamn sense.

[Seabiscuit]

26. Sorry about that...

Please see above: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2892658&mesg_id=2893409

The gratuitous remark about the DA's identity is also screwed up, but the info about the grand jurors is correct.