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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:51 PM
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"We Just Didn't Know"
“We Just Didn’t Know”
By Nancy Greggs

Over the years, I have come to know many concentration camp survivors. Needless to say, these people were angry and bitter, with good reason, about many things. But nothing would set off that anger more than hearing a German citizen, or someone who had lived near the camps during the war saying, “We just didn’t know.”

Most of us have seen the old newsreel footage of their reaction to the films and photographs of the camps after the liberation. “We thought the Jews were living on farms. We thought they’d been relocated to other countries. We thought they were segregated into their own communities, and that’s why they’d disappeared from our neighborhoods, our workplaces, our schools.”

“But THIS? No, we just didn’t know.”

In actual fact, many people did not know. Not because the evidence wasn’t there, not because they didn’t hear the rumors about what had happened to their Jewish neighbors who were taken away never to return, not because those close enough didn’t notice the greasy texture or the foul stench of the smoke that emanated from the ‘work farms’ located near their towns. But simply because they chose not to know.

And now, God help us, we have the same thing happening in our own country on the issue of torture.

How many self-proclaimed good German Christians saw Jews rounded up and arrested, and said, “Well, they must have broken the law. They must be thieves, or rapists, or murderers.” How many self-proclaimed American Christians are now hearing about the torture of Muslims and are saying the same thing?

“The Jews are bent on destroying the Christian way of life, so they’re simply getting what’s coming to them.”

“The Muslims are bent on destroying the American way of life, so they’re simply getting what’s coming to them.”

It’s the same message, the same excuse, the same choice of blissful ignorance.

“So what if a Jew is tortured, if he gives up information about those who are enemies of the Reich?”

“So what if a Muslim is tortured, if he gives up information about those who are enemies of the United States?”

How many were led down the path of self-righteousness from believing that torturing one was a matter of self-preservation to eventually accepting that torturing the many, guilty or not, was a matter of justifiable expediency?

How many chose to believe that all of the Jews in concentration camps were guilty of something, and therefore deserved their fate? How many Americans now choose to believe that every detainee held at Gitmo, or in a secret prison somewhere, must be guilty of something, and therefore deserve the treatment meted out?

“Adolph Hitler is a good man, who has the best interests of our country at heart.”

“George Bush is a good man, who has the best interests of our country at heart.”

How many 'patriotic' Germans said that then? How many ‘patriotic Americans’ are saying it now?

One could, and many undoubtedly will, play the numbers game. They would point to the fact that Jews were exterminated in the millions, while so-called ‘enemy combatants’ are merely tortured and abused in the hundreds, or the thousands, and do not necessarily die as a result of their mistreatment.

It seems a valid argument on its face. But has our country’s moral compass become so skewed that we would indulge in such semantics? Have we become so morally bankrupt that we would excuse this behavior based not on ethics, but statistics?

It would seem, after listening to the excuse-makers amongst us, that is exactly what we are allowing to happen.

Just as the truth of the camps was ignored by those who chose not to believe what their country was capable of, so the Bush supporters choose to ignore the photographs from Abu Ghraib. And just as the truth was exposed at the end of World War II, so the truth will eventually be exposed here.

How many Americans, who have willfully blinded themselves to what our country is doing and what it has become, will live with the guilt of having supported and condoned it by deliberately looking the other way? How many of our military – along with our lawmakers and elected representatives – will eventually say they were just ‘following orders’ from their political higher-ups?

And after all is said and done, I wonder how many Americans will deny their own participation, and their own guilt, with that sorry four-word excuse: “We just didn’t know.”

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:56 PM
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1. K&R
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 07:59 PM
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2. Excellent, as usual. K&R
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:03 PM
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3. There are none so blind as those who will not see nm
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:05 PM
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4. K & R, although...
... these days anyone whose only news source is the MSM would have a palpable rationale for saying "I just didn't know".

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:16 PM
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6. Ain't THAT the truth!
And how many MSM broadcasters will reason away their lack of coverage on the issue with the 'just didn't know' excuse?
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:06 PM
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5. On TV I watched a show, can't remember the name now but
it had all of these kind of comments. The show displayed many of the different faces of the world even of Nazi soldiers who did not support the war but felt they had to support their nation. It worried me how much this all matches up or appears similiar to the Iraq war and our soldiers reasons for being now. How and why they, the admin, are trying to change the Rules of War - Geneva Convention. I am really afriad of the path * and his admin have us on.

:kick:
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:23 PM
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7. I suspect Bush finally went too far today.
The Republican revolt will be the final measure. It may be happening now.

I will be shocked if * allows another personal news conference soon. He is finally cornered. Time to be afraid of the real(domestic) sale of terror.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 10:22 PM
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14. the vultures are circling
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:33 PM
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8. Nancy I think that is the most powerful piece I have read from you
And that is saying A LOT.

Kicked and recommended big time.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:40 PM
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9. We all should have seen this coming when the majority of Americans knew
in their hearts and minds that the wrong man was the winner in (s)Election 2000 AND DID NOTHING.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:42 PM
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10. It's 000s of DHS detainees ON US SOIL, not just 00s at Guantnamo
who are being subjected to attack dogs and other inhumane treatment.

Check your PBS-TV schedule. This weekend, a show called AIR (website http://www.pbs.org/hplink/redir/http://www.pbs.org/wnet/air/ ) has a lead story featuring reports from a jail in Passaic NJ and other places.

DHS apparently has a program that rounds up for deportation thousands of immigrants every year who've committed crimes at any time in the past. Farebeating in the NYC subways, petty theft, or other small-time offenses years ago evidently have led to years of incarceration under inhumane conditions, often in for-profit prisons with juicy DHS contracts.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 08:55 PM
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11. Many people never listen or absorb any info on govt. and politics
many are oblivious - to current affairs or history.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 09:35 PM
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12. Ignorance of the true state of affairs ...
... like ignorance of the law, is no excuse.

I started a thread here months ago, asking DUers who had Christian friends, neighbours and relatives, how those people accepted the notion of torture in view of their religious beliefs.

The answers came back as: "My parents (friends, co-workers) JUST DON'T KNOW. They hear Bush talk about being anti-abortion, or anti-gay marriage, and they ASSUME he's following their 'good Christian values' in every other policy he endorses."

I have one message for such people: If you can't be bothered to look at the facts BEHIND your president's policies, do your country a favour and DON'T BOTHER to vote, or openly support any politician.

Ignorance may indeed be bliss - but it falls short of being a legitimate excuse for seeing only what you want to see, and remaining blind to everything else.


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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 10:21 PM
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13. maybe christians should take this matter up at church?
it could be a good debating point in bible study.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-15-06 10:27 PM
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15. I only wish they would ... n/t
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 05:51 PM
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17. Those who choose to look the other way might be called
Not-sees.

Newsprism
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 04:06 PM
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16. All Americans should know enough by now to know
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 06:33 PM
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18. Bravo!
'We just didn't know!' is a statement of weakness. They did not seek out knowledge. They were afraid, or they bought into Hitler's crap, and so they were quiet and did nothing.
The same is happening now. I guess I'm the only person who saw Bob Lang's political cartoon where he compared the suspected terrorists at Gitmo to caged rabid animals? It was right on CNN. Probably the only time I've ever sent an e-mail objecting to something I read on their site. It was ignored of course.
'We just didn't know' is no excuse now.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 07:58 PM
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19. I wonder when most Germans realized Hitler was crazy?
Did it take the destruction of their country for the population to
wake up?

Is that how long it will take Americans?
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