Which Democratic group best represents your values?

[iconoclastNYC]

Poll question: Which Democratic group best represents your values?

Pick one

[neoblues]

1. Which is the...

"Democratic National Committee"?

[Adelante]

Too bad we keep forgetting that one

in favor of factions. We might even get someplace.

[iconoclastNYC]

4. That's the official organization

The others exist to influence the official group.

[sandnsea]

5. That would be too obvious

And wouldn't create any divisiveness, can't have that.

[iconoclastNYC]

6. how does a poll create divisiveness?

I think it will expose the lack of support for the DLC....which counters divisiveness. DLCers on here act like the DLC is great and has wide support. I'd like to lay that myth bare.

[sandnsea]

7. lololol

You'd like to lay the DLC myth bare, but your intention isn't divisiveness. lol. One doesn't have to agree with the DLC to think that some aspects of PDA and DFA and Moveon aren't the best ways to move forward.

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[neoblues]

9. The DLC is the Party's most profound problem. nt.

[sandnsea]

11. Got a check stub??

I suspect there's lots of paid shills on DU and I suspect there are some who pretend to be from the left and post divisive and/or leftist shit intended to keep Democrats from developing a cohesive, organized message and movement. Al Gore founded the DLC and pushed NAFTA, huge DU support. Warner is classic DLC and mr. "blogfather" is pushing him onto the blogosphere. Some of the candidates the so-called progressives get behind lean further right than some in the DLC, like Hackett and Webb - and yes Wes Clark until he denounces Reagan. Blaming everything on the DLC ignores the reality of the voting public and where centrist votes really come from and why. It's divisive bullshit for the political newbie or leftist who couldn't create a movement with the Greens and now wants to bring that failed ideology into the Democratic Party. Nobody spent more money creating trojan horse organizations than Ralph Nader, so don't even pretend with your DLC shill bullshit.

[iconoclastNYC]

12. You can search back on certain posters

And find the date at which the checks started arriving. Just notice when they used to be anti-DLC or neutral on the DLC and the point at which they started reflexivly started defending the DLC.

[sandnsea]

16. Uh huh

But these supposed paid shills, when they were anti-DLC, they weren't on anybody's payroll. Is that it?? And if the DLC paid them more money, then whoever they were working for before didn't hire any replacements. Right?

Intent to create division. It comes from all quarters.

[GymGeekAus]

21. Democracy is messy.

The DLC doesn't want it to be, apparently.

But the process of arriving at a consensus, at reaching a compromise, in a caucus as large as ours is complex. It is made even more messy by people who do not honestly express their platform goals, like our corporatists who hide out in the DLC.

Factionalization is important and necessary. As long as we can all agree enough that our party gets our vote when it comes time to pull the lever (or twist the little dial or punch the little whole or whatever).

People screaming "unite!" during a primary season obviously do not understand the whole point in primaries. Notice how they're often DLCers, btw....

[sandnsea]

22. I don't remember that

I remember "unite" coming from Al Gore and Howard Dean in Dec 2003.

People need to pay more attention to issues and less attention to labels.

[iconoclastNYC]

26. People need to pay attention to who's funding the DLC

It's corporations, the right-wing Bradley foundation, and war profiteers.

Think these people have a motive in propping up the DLC?

Wake up!

[skipos]

17. "I'd like to lay that myth bare."

How is that going?

While my beliefs are in line with most DUers, I can confidently say that DU doesn't represent your average democrat.

[AtomicKitten]

24. indeed

and I sure wish somebody would pay me to say so

[iconoclastNYC]

27. Well so far DLC has 32% and the progressive groups

Have the rest...... so I think my point is made

[wyldwolf]

28. right

60 people out thousands on DU have responded to your poll, and you think it proves a "lack of support for the DLC" and that the DLC isn't "great and has wide support."

I would say the only point here is that 32% of 60 respondents chose the DLC and the rest are divided over what other group best represents them.

If these were candidates and an election were held, at this point the DLC wins.

And I won't even get into your implication that a insignificant poll on DU with 60 respondents somehow speaks for the Democratic party as a whole.

[iconoclastNYC]

29. OK....so what's your contention?

That the DLC is widely respected? Newsflash most people don't know what the DLC is..... but that's begining to change.

Most democrats I know don't understand why the Democratic party is so weak, why our leaders run away from fights, and constantly seek compromise with the criminal Republicans. Once I fill them in on the DLC and who funds them and what thier toadies do when elected, it makes sense. Then I tell them that groups like MoveOn.org, PDA, and DFA are fighting the DLC corporate interest.

[wyldwolf]

30. I have no contention... just real world facts

You're right, most people don't know what the DLC is, but they know who they are.

Bill and Hillary Clinton.
John Kerry
John Edwards
Mark Warner
Evan Bayh

... tell the average Democrat we need to get rid of them and they'll laugh you out of town.

[iconoclastNYC]

31. Oh yeah most people

Know that those people are DLC. Right.

Nice "facts"

[wyldwolf]

32. tell you what

After you tell them what you think the DLC is and then when they ask, "Who is in this terrible organization?" You say, "monsters like Bill Clinton and John Kerry."

LOL!

[iconoclastNYC]

33. No I talk about who funds them

Because that's what best explains why our leaders are so mushy-middle conservative and why they are afraid to fight for our core values.

Most Democrats I know are profoundly disapointed by the Clinton presidency and don't know one bit about the other DLC toadies you mentioned.

[wyldwolf]

34. ok

:)

[IA_Seth]

36. "Most Democrats...disappointed by the Clinton presidency"

Uh...maybe most DUers, maybe most Democrats you know...but do you honestly think "most democrats you know" really reflect the Democratic party as a whole?

I would wager to say at LEAST 70% of Democrats look back on the Clinton presidency with fondness.

[robinlynne]

2. great question.

I really enjoyed being a part of moveon for severall years, now feel that they are trailing behind. it is a real shame because they have such a large group and could do so much good. I wish they would lend their resources to the other smaller groups who are out there in the trenches! Let us know what you learn from your poll.

[liberalnurse]

3. PDA is here to stay!!!!!!

PDA all the way! O8) :woohoo: :applause:

[skipos]

10. Compared to any republican, all of them. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

13. None of them represent me

They are all doing some sort of good in some sort of way, but they all have agendas and they're all factions. Factions cause divisivness.

[FtWayneBlue]

14. I have to go with PDA,

because they are working hard to stop the war ON Iraq, and impeach *. I don't think any other group have those as priorities, or even on their agenda.

[brentspeak]

15. The Democratic party

That's the group that best represents my values.

[skeeters2525]

18. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Democrats do what they do best. NOTHING. Look at me, I can make a poll.

Here we go, nothing but attacking Democrats. Brilliant reaction to the Republican Slime Machine.

They and the world are laughing at you.

How will Democrats win. By sitting here all day making up stupid polls.

Thanks for the great agenda. Look for a Democratic turnout of 1% in the next election.

[dogman]

19. None of the above.

I belong to the Democratic Party and I represent my own values.

[rinsd]

20. I voted for the green M&M (nt)

[FrenchieCat]

23. Abstain......

As none represent my values.....

But at this point, I just want to fucking win something....and I don't think any of those organizations have a fucking clue on how to beat Republicans...although they know how to beat other Democrats just fine.

[proud patriot]

25. PDA

:hi:

[blm]

35. The anti-corruption, open government wing of the Democratic party

And too bad it gets ignored for doing the really impoortant work of this nation.

[WildEyedLiberal]

37. That is a shame, isn't it

I used to think left-wingers wanted results over rhetoric. Guess I was wrong, at least in many instances here.