E&P: RFK, Jr. Article Charges 2004 Election Stolen -- Press Hit...

[ProSense]

RFK, Jr. Article Charges 2004 Election Stolen -- Press Hit for Ignoring That

By E&P Staff

Published: June 01, 2006 4:50 PM ET

NEW YORK A lengthy investigation of balloting in the pivotal state of Ohio in the 2004 presidential election has resulted in a story by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in the forthcoming issue of the magazine -- posted on its Web site today.

The article, sure to provoke much media play and pro and con reactions, is titled, "Was the 2004 Election Stolen?" with the deck, "Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House."

After detailing, with footnotes, alleged rigging of votes for Bush in some areas, and deliberate vote suppression in pro-Kerry precincts, Kennedy charges that "instead of investigating allegations of wrongdoing, the press has simply accepted the result as valid."

An editorial in the same issue calls for an official probe of electronic voting machines.

The full article and charts can be found at:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/1

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002612100

[Merlot]

1. Its a good article and should be required reading for all Americans

He covered everything but the partisan ownership of the voting machines and the lack of open programing.

Maybe that's a follow up article as thre was so much covered in this article.

And good timing , too. With * approval ratings down so low there is a much greater chance that people and media will be open minded.

edit: typos!

[ProSense]

2. E&P: "The article, sure to provoke much media play..."

I hope they are correct!

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. What does Kerry have to say?

I thought he couldn't find enough evidence to contest the election?

Seems there was plenty if you were willing to look.

[ProSense]

4. Maybe instead of Kerry running all over the place,

which would have been highly conspicous, RFK Jr. did the under the radar investigation that was necessary to uncover the truth. Note this from the first paragraph of the article:

By midnight, the official tallies showed a decisive lead for George Bush -- and the next day, lacking enough legal evidence to contest the results, Kerry conceded.

The evidence wasn't there to dig up overnight. This is June 2006, so it obviously took RFK a long time to gather all this information to do what: call for an investigation.

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. That is what a contest is for

to give you time to gather the evidence.

Instead, Kerry and his team of 100's of lawyers walked away. I'd like to know why?

[ProSense]

6. You assume he walked away. A lot has happened. This is another call

for an investigation. The RFK Jr. report underscores the extent of the corruption and the need for an investigation, as did Conyers' report.

Write to the media, demand coverage of the story. Write to Congress demand that they launch an investigation.

Today, Kerry-Edwards filed a document in support of that statement. Most significant, Kerry-Edwards also filed today a separate document in support of our motion for hearing with two critical attachments: 1) a declaration from Kerry-Edwards attorney Don McTigue regarding a survey he conducted of Kerry-Edwards county recount coordinators; 2) a summary chart of the results of that survey (which highlight the inconsistent standards applied during the recount).

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/2/24/183243/7...

http://www.truthout.org/pdf/cobbbadnariktransfertatement22305.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardsmctiguedecl22405.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardsmotionforhearing22405.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardssummarychart22405.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardstransferstatement22405.pdf

Whether the cumulative effect of these legal violations would have altered the actual outcome is not known at this time. However, we do know that there are many serious and intentional violations which violate Ohio’s own law, that the Secretary of State has done everything in his power to avoid accounting for such violations, and it is incumbent on Congress to protect the integrity of its own laws by recognizing the seriousness of these legal violations.

B. Need for Further Congressional Hearings

It is also clear the U.S. Congress needs to conduct additional and more vigorous hearings into the irregularities in the Ohio presidential election and around the country.

While we have conducted our own Democratic hearings and investigation, we have been handicapped by the fact that key participants in the election, such as Secretary of State Blackwell, have refused to cooperate in our hearings or respond to Mr. Conyers questions. While GAO officials are prepared to move forward with a wide ranging analysis of systemic problems in the 2004 elections, they are not planning to conduct the kind of specific investigation needed to get to the bottom of the range of problems evident in Ohio. As a result, it appears that the only means of obtaining his cooperation in any congressional investigation is under the threat of subpoena, which only the Majority may require.

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/issues/issues/election.html

More in Kerry's own words:
http://www.stephaniemiller.com/bits/2006_0517_kerry.mp3

[TayTay]

8. I'd like to know what evidence you consider would stand up

in a court of law?

This is an investigation. It will probably take years to straighten out the election system in this country. That is just an ugly fact of life. I would like to know what evidence came out and what the names of the witnesses are who signed affadavits saying they would stand up in a court of law and testify about the fraud.

You seem to be morally upright on this. Can you please give me the names and possibly the courts that these were filed in? Could you please advise me why it has taken all these researchers months and months of work to uncover this plot and yet somehow, in the midst of a campaign, Kerry was supposed to use his magic powers to mak the fraudsters talk.

Honestly, this cheapens the work of so many people who are really trying to make a difference. No wonder people tend to dismiss this kind of thing as tin-foil hat conspiracy stuff. The demand for instant gratification is ridiculous. This prob lem has to be solved in a number of ways and that is going to take time, dedication and faultless evidence. To think otherwise is hopelessly naive and damaging to the cause.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. I think I am expressing the frustration

felt by a lot of people after the election.

Even though a lot may be going on behind the scenes, you have to be a political junkie to even know about it. John Q Public just see everyone going about doing business has usual. Yes, a big problem is that the M$M ignores and buries the story but if you ask the average Joe what is Kerry doing lately, they won't have a clue.

BTW: You'll have a harder time getting people to support your cause, if you attack anyone that even dares to question Kerry or anyone else's actions.

[politicasista]

15. No one is attacking you.

What's a matter with posting facts?:shrug:

[saltpoint]

13. Fully, wildly agree.

And I believe John Conyers would nod his head yes at every syllable you just wrote.

[karynnj]

7. Look at the Ohio graphic on the RS editorial -investigation thread.

link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2657156&mesg_id=2657156

If you look at the categories of votes lost, many fall in the category of legally cheating, by which I mean things that are clearly not fair, but which violate no law or are ways the laws are actually manipulated by the party in power.

Some of the ways they cheated, though undemocratic and evil, were legal.

- Although sleazy and disgusting, there is no law on providing an adeguate number of voting machines. Additionally, the bipartisan election boards had the number of machines that were to be sent ahead of time, but no one saw the problem. - so those 174,000 never cast were lost and he can't claim them

- States can purge voter's rolls according to their laws - Ohio's law is likely to purge those not voting in 2 elections. - these 30,000 don't count

-Waiting in the wrong line - per comments elsewhere, the law says you can only vote in the right precinct and in some places there was more than one precinct in a room - in the past the state wide and national part of the balloat counted if it was valid - Blackwell followed the letter of the law and didn't count them. these 10,000 don't count

I don't know if the other 3 categories would count, but the numbers would then not work.

Kerry's comments on Stephanie Miller last week was consistent with this. It clearly angers him, but some of the cheating didn't break the law.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. It's not like we haven't had

since 2000 to change the laws?

Even now almost 2 years after the last stolen election, all I see is the DEMS getting set up for another stolen election.

Even when a brave DEM tries to fight the system, like the SOS in Leon County, FL. there is very little support for him from the DEM party and/or leadership.

[blm]

16. You hit the nail on the head - it's the Dem PARTY that would not accept

that the fraud happens. That is how it happened.

Every aspect of voting fraud should have been addressed by the Dem party and its Dem election board members in every state after 2000 and 2002 in preparation for 2004. Instead, the Dem party infrastructure was weakened to the point of collapse in crucial states like Ohio.

Voting fraud was NOT on Terry MacAuliffe's list and he did not BELIEVE in machine fraud. The machines need securing BEFORE the vote. After is too late, and it distorts the issue for Kerry to be the target of all blame. There is precious little that can be done to prove fraud by machines - the only way possible to pursue the case would have through a whistleblower prepared to testify that they helped rig the machines.

[DFW]

9. If there is a serious national investigation,

I hope the investigating authorities are on the ball enough to
have Kenneth Blackwell's passport seized. If enough of his actions
are made public, he may just decide on a one-way vacation to Jamaica.

[TayTay]

10. Amen to that.

Blackwell is a national embarrassment. His actions in repressing the vote in '04 are nothing short of treasonous. I do hope that he is the first 'nut' caught in the wringer, if you know what I mean. LOL!

[NativeTexan]

14. There is a term for this. And the term is................

........BLOODLESS COUP!!!