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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:43 AM
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LIHOP!
From alternet, via Buzzflash

'Miller says she did argue at that time "that it was worth going with just we had, even if it was vague, that the fact that the Al Qaeda was planning something that was so spectacular that we have to respond was worth getting into the paper in some way, shape or form."'

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/36651/

I have always wondered if a major news outlet was able to verify LIHOP, woud they run it? You must admit that if it were proven, it would very likely destroy what's left of the US. People would be storming the WH with pitchforks and torches, and the WH would have no choice but to unleash the national guard, and civil war would ensue forthwith. This article makes a pretty strong case for LIHOP.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 07:53 AM
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1. That proves LIHOP? How?
If you overheard TODAY, "Don't worry, we're planning something so big now that the U.S. will have to respond.", what EXACTLY would you do?

Please be specific in your actions, I don't want to know what you wouldn't do, just what you would do.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:18 AM
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4. I don't think it proves it beyond doubt,
but there is something we're not being told. Something big, beyond the Aug 6 PDB. This article, IMO, is a major step. Condi's lie to the 9/11 committee - the the PDB was a "historical document" - is laughable on its face, and yet no major media outlet questioned it. But I believe the truth will come out eventually. It will be really ugly, but * will be gone by then, so it might not completely blow the country up.

As for what I would do, I would, like Clinton did, "Shake the trees". FISA warrants would be expedited. Saudi nationals who were, on their own, learning how to fly 767's would be apprehended and questioned. I WOULDN'T leave for a month of vacation.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:39 AM
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5. Funny, I didn't see anything about Saudi nationals in the intercept.
Under what order would you apprehend them?
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:01 AM
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10. That information was supplied by FBI agents on the ground.
The higher ups refused to connect the dots.

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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:35 AM
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13. So you would have rounded up all the Saudis?
Under what authority? Wouldn't that have been racist at the time? (and even now)?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:03 AM
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:00 AM
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9. We know what WAS done!
* Ashcroft decided to avoid "public" air travel. (I believe he flew public again--after 9/11.)

* Guns in cockpits were forbidden. (They hadn't ever been popular--but they were banned in July 2001.)

* Bush planned a long August vacation in Texas. (There is NO reason to spend August in Texas if you don't have to.)

* Worried FBI field officers were ignored. (Someone studying how to fly an airliner but not land it? So what?)

* Bush sat like a stunned ox in a Florida classroom while people in NYC decided whether to jump or burn.






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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:28 AM
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11. Those are things you wouldn't do, as the question stated.......
I don't want to know what you wouldn't do, just what you would do. Please be specific.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:35 AM
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12. I answered your question in the way I wished to answer it.
Sorry if you're offended.

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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:37 AM
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14. No offense, I was simply stating that your non-answer showed a lack
of a plausible alternative. What you are doing is 20-20 hindsight. I an noting that even after 5 years many people STILL can't say what they would have done instead.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:02 AM
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:05 AM
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17. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Ma'am
Could you clarify the meaning of that "your President" reference?

Thank you.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:10 AM
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18. Not to worry, not only is Bush now "my President" but above
this poster implies that I have no problem with racism. They seem to know me better than myself.

Some folks have problems with simple questions. Go figure.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:10 PM
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:04 AM
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2. Too busy, and the path of least resistance.
Edited on Fri May-26-06 08:07 AM by NYC
Too busy:

...At the time Miller and Engelberg also had had a book coming out. "So we were working flat out on that book trying to meet our deadline," she told us. "There was a lot going on. I was also doing biological weapons stories and homeland security stories. And in Washington, if you don't have a sense of immediacy about something, and if you sense that there is bureaucratic resistance to a story, you tend to focus on areas of less resistance."

They took the path of least resistance:

...you tend to focus on areas of less resistance."

Saying there wasn't enough detail to act on it has a very familiar ring to it. Con. Rice said the same thing.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:09 AM
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3. Bush was warned of a spectacular attack in the August PDB.
Bush was warned of a spectacular attack in the August PDB.

From Rice on up, they didn't do anything about the warnings.

There were some Bush advisers who would welcome a terrorist attack because it would give them an excuse to attack Iraq. That attitude contributed to the doing nothing.

But he and the rest of the Admininstration didn't know how big the attack would be or exactly how or when it would happen.

That's the "Weak LIHOP" theory, which I believe.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 08:51 AM
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6. LIHOP is much too passive to pass muster . . .
at minimum, BushCo's role was one of facilitating the attacks -- FIHOP, if you will (Facilitated It Happening On Purpose) . . . although the longer the failure to do a thorough investigation goes on, the more the facts seem to point to full-bore MIHOP, imo . . .
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:04 AM
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7. Here's some info...
concerning the warnings the Bush cabal recieved prior to 9/11. Check it out, then ask yourself if there was any excuse for the government not to be on full bore alert. LIHOP is just a part of MIHOP. Dreams came true when the towers fell. Thanks.
quickesst

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/SMI402A.html
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 09:42 AM
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8. That's a KILLER link...BOOKMARKED and DELICOUS!
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INDIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 04:50 PM
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20. Here's an open question to all the MIHOPers
FIRST OFF, you are entitled to your opinion, I'm not calling anyone stupid. That being said....

OBL's last audio transmission did nothing to discredit the theory that Bush "Let it happen", but as for the "Made it happen",

1. Every time OBL comes out with a audio tape, MIHOPers claim that he doesn't exist, had nothing to do with 9-11, is in US custody, Rove made the tape etc. etc.

2. In the tape, OBL claims to have personally selected the hijackers, and essentially claims responsibility for the entire plot.

3. He then goes on to say that Moussaoui had nothing to do with the attacks, making out government, FBI, justice system look stupid and inept.

Why would the government fake a tape making them look like they ineptly sent a (relatively) innocent man to jail for life? This would further raise ire from muslims that the US is carrying out a war on all muslims.

Any takers?
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