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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:05 PM
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Brown looks like a scape goat to me after that tape.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:06 PM
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1. And Bush looks like All Talk, No Delivery
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:07 PM
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2. AND DON'T FORGET! Brown was appointed because he was
a fund-raising crony!

Bush PUT him there, no even bothering to see what kind of management background this guy had.

He was a horse competition director. Whoop de freakin doo!
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:10 PM
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5. Look. I'm not for giving Brown a pass, but if you watch that video he
Brown, raise all the concerns that should have been raised, but he isn't the boss. Bush is. He Brown, couldn't make shit happen like the President could have and should have after hearing from a subordinate that the shit was going to hit the fan.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:22 PM
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11. That was my impression, too!
After seeing the video, I changed my mind about Brown being a total f*ckup. He actually seemed to express concerns about what would happened, and had a very somber (dare I say it? "professional") demeanor when he did so.

Bush should have been top of this and he wasn't! I beginning to think the Brown emails were leaked by a Bushista in order to make him the scapegoat...
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:29 PM
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13. Brownie seems aware and engaged -- vid link here:
agree w you -- he was more on top of things then we were led to beleive by bushco

Vid link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content//video/2006/03/01/VI2006030101864.html
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:37 PM
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18. Chertoff needs to be fired, Bush and Cheney impeached...nt
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:29 PM
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14. That's my point. Brown thrown to the lions because he is expendable
Bush still takes a hit for hiring him, but hey it was Brown who fucked up more then Bush. Don't mention that Brown is lied to about assets being available that really weren't and don't mention the fact as FEMA Director under Bush and Chertoff he Brown can't bring anything to the situation without Bush and Chertoff's support.
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:37 AM
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29. The ones where Brown was fussing what to wear?
Those made him look especially bad. I wonder if BushCo didn't leak them to do just that.

I remember reding something on DU about Brown threatening to spill his guts if BushCo didn't pay for his lawyers or something along those lines. I think he was talking about this videotape.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:30 PM
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15. I'm saying Bush is doubly responsible
First he appoints a guy who's experience has NOTHING to do with Emergency Management, then he ignores him!

Bush is just 'playing' President, he doesn't actually give a f*ck about ANYTHING
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:08 PM
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3. Very frightening revelations in that tape.
Brownie sounds like he was on the ball, and part of a team. Poor guy must have felt abandoned when he heard Bush's response in the aftermath of the hurricane. Bush is a politician all the way, lying his guts out.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 07:33 AM
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27. What conclusion do we make?
That Brown was the scapegoat and Bush

was too stupid to know what to do, so didn't do anything?

was too lazy to get the job done, just left it to others?

didn't care about dealing with the hurricane and aftermath?

Because its still not being dealt with.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 08:12 AM
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28. His response, when faced with a disasterous FEMA response, was
to lie. It came way to easy for him, and it was believed even more easily.

How many other times has this guy lied where it has resulted in the loss of human life? And why doesn't this country wake up and realize that this is the sign of a failing presidency?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:09 PM
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4. Brownie was concerned and on top of things, Bush lied!
Bush lied about him not knowing. Bush lied about Chertoff not knowing. Chertoff lied. Brownie told the truth! The one who told the truth gets canned, and the liars are still around!
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:12 PM
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6. No scapegoat - he's covered Bush's ass every step of the way
Brown fell on his sword for the Bush Administration. He should've never been at FEMA to begin with.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:16 PM
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7. I can't agree. I'm sorry, but I will say it again. View that tape and
Brown brings up to his boss, all the things that they the administration should have been concerned about. But he worked for Bush and Jerkoff. Yes he absolutely shouldn't have been hired in the first place, but his lack of qualifications is not the main reason why people in New Orleans died.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:28 PM
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12. I watched the tape - granted, Brown warned them
But I also remember his testimony (the first one, not the latest) on Capitol Hill afterwards, and he had nothing but praise for Bush and company. He fell on his sword for Bush and Chertoff. Brown even expected this White House to provide him with legal counsel (as if they'd REALLY do that).

Michael Brown didn't even begin to sound remorseful until he realized before his most recent testimony on the Hill that he was being hung out to dry.

So I have to respectfully disagree here.



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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:32 PM
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16. Very good point. But I think in retrospect Brown might have thought that
that they would some how throw some support his way. Just guessing here, but maybe Brown wasn't smart enough to see the truth until it was too late. Any thing is possible.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:45 PM
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20. There's a difference between loyalty and stupidity, and Brown
Edited on Wed Mar-01-06 08:46 PM by Penndems
was blinded by loyalty. He actually thought the Administration would back him up - but that's not how the Bush family plays. Brown was chosen to be designated scapegoat, except nobody told HIM that. They used Brown's unwavering loyalty to their advantage (a Bush trademark).

The Bushes always make sure that blame is deflected onto someone else, because it sure as hellfire won't be them.












(on edit: typo)
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 06:34 AM
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25. The Comment "Doin A Heck Of A Job Brownie" Really Meant
"Hey Brownie I am looking kinda bad here and I am gonna fuck you up!" It was just another of Bushes back handed slaps in the face. Brown thought the Don was giving him an advance on being a made man but Bush was already getting the horse head ready. (Yes Pun Intended!)

It was only when he realized that the calvary was NOT coming and he was made a fool of to the entire world did the fucking light bulb turn on. If Bush had given him cover he would have remained loyal; because he doesn't give a shit about black folks either, but when Bush made him the scapegoat and didn't provide him adequate cover, Brownie got pissed off and he leaked this video to the press.

He did it when Bush was out of the country so the impact would sink deep before Bush put the orders for a hit on him. I bet Bush hasn't been told that this video is public! Ah I love smell of the mafia in the morning.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:18 PM
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9. The video tape was shown by Keith Olbermann
Your assessment of Brown is way off the mark!
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 09:02 PM
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23. good point..
but still...what a fucking nightmare we have on our hands.

can we just find someone to give bush a blow job so we can finally impeach him?
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:17 PM
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8. Brown knew he wasn't qualified for the job, but at least he tried.
Bush also is not qualified for the job, and he doesn't try at all. All he does is pad his cronies bank accounts, and set himself up for a comfy retirement - at the expense of the American people.

Shame on George Bush!
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:21 PM
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10. Brown is the designated scapegoat, and Chertoff the stopper.
In case you missed these two cartoons, which were about this topic:

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:35 PM
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17. Not at all. He's one of the incompetent, unqualified
asshat idiots who did little or nothing while my state was subjected to an unprecedented disaster.

I watched him do his silly shit in the MIDDLE Of this travesty.

Don't EVEN kid yourself.

He is an incompetent idiot and should be tried at least for negligent homicide for the hundreds of unnecessary deaths he helped cause
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betterdeadthanred Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:39 PM
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19. That was definitely my impression as well
I never thought I would change my mind about Brownie, but that video has made me rethink my position. Bush hung his ass out to dry.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 08:49 PM
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21. I think that everyone should be 100 percent mad at Bush after that tape
giving anger to Brown even if he deserves it means you can't be 100 percent mad at Bush and you should be.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 09:01 PM
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22. yep... it appears that he really got shafted big time...
that he wasn't as incompetent as he was made out to be by the media. looks like the buck really did stop at the oval office, and that's where the incompetence lay - of course we knew all along..

I'm feeling pretty bad for him now.. (yikes).
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-01-06 11:11 PM
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24. But don't forget...
...the email leaks a few months ago, where it was revealed that on the night the hurricane struck, Brown was more concerned with his aides getting him reservations at five star restaurants in Baton Rouge and looking good for his appearance on TV than he was about the disaster in New Orleans. This is the guy who was praising himself as a "fashion god" during the disaster.

So while he appears more on the ball than Bush in these new videos, that is only a relative thing. Don't feel sorry for him; he was a big part of the problem.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 07:25 AM
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26. Brownie is a moron, but I kind of feel sorry for him
Everyone knows Brown is worthless. HE knows it. I mean, come on, the guy got fired from judging horse shows, for God's sake. So what does he do? He calls up an old college friend and asks for help getting a job. And what does his friend say? "I got a a nice job for you. A cushy patronage position. You don't need any skills, don't need any talent. All you need to do is show up, sign a couple papers, maybe issue one or two press releases, and collect your salary. That's it. You'll have a cool sounding title, a good salary, and no responsibility."

Now he's the designated scapegoat for one of the most incompetent administrations in the nation's history.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-02-06 11:51 AM
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30. We shouldn't be so quick to judge...
I think we all may have been guilty in judging Brownie...
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