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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:01 PM
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After Neoconservatism (Key PNAC figure RAILS against Neocon agenda!!)
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 05:02 PM by Roland99
By FRANCIS FUKUYAMA
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/magazine/neo.html?_r=1&incamp=article_popular&oref=slogin

As we approach the third anniversary of the onset of the Iraq war, it seems very unlikely that history will judge either the intervention itself or the ideas animating it kindly. By invading Iraq, the Bush administration created a self-fulfilling prophecy: Iraq has now replaced Afghanistan as a magnet, a training ground and an operational base for jihadist terrorists, with plenty of American targets to shoot at. The United States still has a chance of creating a Shiite-dominated democratic Iraq, but the new government will be very weak for years to come; the resulting power vacuum will invite outside influence from all of Iraq's neighbors, including Iran. There are clear benefits to the Iraqi people from the removal of Saddam Hussein's dictatorship, and perhaps some positive spillover effects in Lebanon and Syria. But it is very hard to see how these developments in themselves justify the blood and treasure that the United States has spent on the project to this point.

The so-called Bush Doctrine that set the framework for the administration's first term is now in shambles. The doctrine (elaborated, among other places, in the 2002 National Security Strategy of the United States) argued that, in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, America would have to launch periodic preventive wars to defend itself against rogue states and terrorists with weapons of mass destruction; that it would do this alone, if necessary; and that it would work to democratize the greater Middle East as a long-term solution to the terrorist problem. But successful pre-emption depends on the ability to predict the future accurately and on good intelligence, which was not forthcoming, while America's perceived unilateralism has isolated it as never before. It is not surprising that in its second term, the administration has been distancing itself from these policies and is in the process of rewriting the National Security Strategy document.

But it is the idealistic effort to use American power to promote democracy and human rights abroad that may suffer the greatest setback. Perceived failure in Iraq has restored the authority of foreign policy "realists" in the tradition of Henry Kissinger. Already there is a host of books and articles decrying America's naïve Wilsonianism and attacking the notion of trying to democratize the world. The administration's second-term efforts to push for greater Middle Eastern democracy, introduced with the soaring rhetoric of Bush's second Inaugural Address, have borne very problematic fruits. The Islamist Muslim Brotherhood made a strong showing in Egypt's parliamentary elections in November and December. While the holding of elections in Iraq this past December was an achievement in itself, the vote led to the ascendance of a Shiite bloc with close ties to Iran (following on the election of the conservative Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as president of Iran in June). But the clincher was the decisive Hamas victory in the Palestinian election last month, which brought to power a movement overtly dedicated to the destruction of Israel. In his second inaugural, Bush said that "America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one," but the charge will be made with increasing frequency that the Bush administration made a big mistake when it stirred the pot, and that the United States would have done better to stick by its traditional authoritarian friends in the Middle East. Indeed, the effort to promote democracy around the world has been attacked as an illegitimate activity both by people on the left like Jeffrey Sachs and by traditional conservatives like Pat Buchanan.

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The Bush administration and its neoconservative supporters did not simply underestimate the difficulty of bringing about congenial political outcomes in places like Iraq; they also misunderstood the way the world would react to the use of American power. Of course, the cold war was replete with instances of what the foreign policy analyst Stephen Sestanovich calls American maximalism, wherein Washington acted first and sought legitimacy and support from its allies only after the fact. But in the post-cold-war period, the structural situation of world politics changed in ways that made this kind of exercise of power much more problematic in the eyes of even close allies. After the fall of the Soviet Union, various neoconservative authors like Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol and Robert Kagan suggested that the United States would use its margin of power to exert a kind of "benevolent hegemony" over the rest of the world, fixing problems like rogue states with W.M.D., human rights abuses and terrorist threats as they came up. Writing before the Iraq war, Kristol and Kagan considered whether this posture would provoke resistance from the rest of the world, and concluded, "It is precisely because American foreign policy is infused with an unusually high degree of morality that other nations find they have less to fear from its otherwise daunting power."



Much more at the link.

:wow:

Quick! Someone run outside and check to see if any pigs have taken flight....


Or, is it just Mr. Fukuyama trying to distance himself from the criminals pushing this failed ideology?

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:07 PM
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1. To little too late....
<snip>
Or, is it just Mr. Fukuyama trying to distance himself from the criminals pushing this failed ideology?
<snip>


They were all on the bandwagon to go to war and to push their agenda down other countries throats.

And now they have woken up and realized that the ideology of the war and pre-imptive strike were huge boondoggles.

Well they have blood on their hands...the blood and limbs of American soldiars and of Iraqi's citizens.

No sympathy here!!:thumbsdown:
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arendt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:19 PM
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2. Anyone got a link - I refuse to register with these whores. n/t
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:33 PM
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3. Arendt don't hold your true feelings back....
let us know what you are thinking?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:01 PM
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12. Try "Bug Me Not"
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:45 PM
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4. was posted yesterday and got slammed;
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 05:58 PM by jedr
I found it a long and heavy read , but interesting that the someone( in the neocon camp) has has finally said the the unspeakable.......the Bush doctrine is a miserable and dangerous failure.....all I want to know is when does Bill Kristol go on trial!!!!!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 08:09 PM
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5. I'm more concerned with Perle and Wolfowitz
Perle should be up on all kinds of charges related to not only the Iraq War run-up but also the fraud at Hollinger.
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:47 PM
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6. I just want to wipe that smirk off his face!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:20 PM
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9. Unfortunately, the alternatives mentioned at one point was
the Nixon/Kissinger real politics or isolationism. The idea of a genuine international negotiating in good faith and being a good citizen in the world and leading the rest of the world to fight non-state terrorism is clearly not something he's considering.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:36 AM
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10. I'm far from supporting Fukuyama but do feel this is significant in that
it is an open criticism of the aggressive foreign policy pushed by the neocons for over 20 years. And it's in the NY Times (although we don't hear the M$M mentioning this criticism)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:44 PM
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14. I totally agree about the significance
and the criticism is very strong and clearly expressed.
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:46 AM
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11. good discussion;
Much better than just saying that he's just a neocon a**hole and I don't care what he says, which was the jest of the previous days post.
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springsteen4senate Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:01 PM
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7. My professor in a grad school class gave this to us today....
great article. He railed against the neocons for a good fifteen minutes.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:14 PM
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8. Bring some brownies in tomorrow
;)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:57 PM
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13. Coming from a neocon, how can we be sure he really thinks what he says?
Given that lying is one of their main tools.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:50 PM
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15. Neocons were all over the media before? Nothing now? In Europe, yes.
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006


Still nothing here in the States in the M$M other than the original NY Times article. Odd how this has slipped under the nightly news' radar.
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