Diebold Alert—CA Groups Calling the Cops! Major Legal Action!

[autorank]

Blogger GuvWurld, a very active DUer, began an action against Diebold Monday that has major implications for election fraud and integrity.

GuvWurld found out that his county, Humbolt, installed uncertified software on their Diebold voting machines. He made inquiries as to how this could happen and got no good answers.

He asked: Who allowed this? When election officials failed to offer a reasonable explanation he referred the matter to the local DA. The unauthorized modification of election machines in California is a crime and local prosecutors are the resource to address that crime.

In addition, holding an election in 17 California counties using illegally authorized voting machines represents a gross violation of the public trust, at the very least. These were used in the recent CA special election!

This lead GuvWurld to unite with other CA voting rights groups in the following plan.

Let’s support them!!!

See this link for the full plan

1. Forward the message from the blog to your local officials, DA’s, County Supervisors, Councils, and local media and demand an investigation of Diebold.

2. Follow up with phone calls requesting that: (a) election officials acknowledge the unauthorized Diebold voting machine alteration; (b) Diebold machines be removed and contracts voided; and (c) county supervisors and city councils pass the voter confidence resolution.

This is the most comprehensive coordinated action proposed against voting equipment manufacturers. They have been immune from public efforts but now, with an unauthorized modification of machines in 17 CA counties, the calls for action are growing louder.

The CA counties involved are:

Alameda, Fresno, Humboldt, Kern, Lassen, Marin, Mendocino
Modoc, Placer, Plumas, San Diego, San Joaquin, San Luis Obispo
Santa Barbara, Siskiyou, Trinity, Tulare

This is huge, please help support these efforts. We are the leaders we have been waiting for

[blm]

1. Thanks - it was obvious to votewatchers that BushInc padded its vote total

using California.

[autorank]

10. So true, and pretty clever on their part.

They thought, who will look here if we take a few hundred K extra votes. Kerry will win big. And they had their margin, along with some help elsewhere!

[Peace Patriot]

63. I found a very strange discrepancy between Senator Boxer's totals and

Kerry's totals that occurred ONLY in Republican counties in Calif. Boxer won the state by 20%, Kerry by 10%. They run about even in Dem counties, but Boxer beats Kerry in Repub counties. That's where she gains all of that 10% margin over Kerry. It wouldn't be so strange to have a Senator run ahead of her ticket's presidential candidate--based on, oh, familiarity, her being a woman, her being left of center compared to Kerry (it being Calif), whatever--if the discrepancy was more or less evenly distributed. But Boxer beating Kerry in Repub counties only--especially by that much (total of 10%) makes no sense.

I did not find a correlation to voting methods (machines vs other). It seemed more related to Republican political control of the county. But we mustn't forget that ALL results (including punchcard, absentee and paper option votes) are fed into Diebold's GEM (central) tabulators, and it is there that the vote stealing from Kerry may have occurred. And the reason that it's only in Repub counties may be that they could count on Repub election officials to look the other way and not report, or even cover up, any anomalous numbers or other peculiarities. Repub counties would be the safest and most logical place to switch Kerry votes to Bush votes, to pad Bush's national popular vote.

I believe that Cliff Arnebeck said this about Ohio also--many Repub votes for Kerry were switched. Who would notice? It would just look like Repubs came out in droves to passionately endorse a trillion dollar deficit, unnecessary war, torture, loss of personal liberties, and that blithering idiot they saw in the debates. And I, for one, am not prepared to believe this about all Republicans, no matter how much the war profiteering corporate news monopolies push the far rightwing Repub MINORITY to the fore.

There is a stat I will never forget. Feb. '03, just before the invasion of Iraq. 58% of the American people opposed to Bush's war. And there is another that moves me deeply. 63% of Americans oppose torture "under any circumstances" (May '04). These stats HAD to include many Republicans.

[Flirtus]

2. Way to go CA!

leading the nation!

[kster]

3. Kick-n-recommended.nt

[LeftCoast]

4. This seems like a good fit for the DU Activist HQ

What about cross-posting this over there?

[paineinthearse]

6. Yes, but we're too busy playing monopoly. I'd hate to spoil the game.

The "activist" HQ has been anything but. It got off to a robust and well-intentioned start, but I've never seen much particpation or leadership there.

[EFerrari]

18. Did it come with instructions? Anybody seen the manual

around? We better dig it out. :)

[stepnw1f]

5. Kick (nt)

[Helga Scow Stern]

7. Good news indeed.

I didn't see CEPN on there.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. I hope they get rid of the machines

They need to be illegal everywhere. We're the only democracy that uses machines. What does that tell you?

[autorank]

9. And soon, this is a bipartisan issue that has screwed us for years!

:hi:

[LifeDuringWartime]

68. i'm pretty sure that Venezuela uses Diebold machines n/t

n/t

[cally]

11. I just sent an email to see who is working on this in my county?

I'll follow through. I know there is an active group here so I suspect someone is already on top of this. I hope.

[fooj]

12. Thanks Autorank! We need to let out Senators and Congressmen

in on this, as well.

Peace.

[fooj]

13. Those rat bastards can't do anything above board to save their lives.

Check this out...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1985324&mesg_id=1985324

Unfrickinbelievable.

Peace.

[EFerrari]

16. They just can't help themselves. If they don't cheat,

it's not a real electio.

Shhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh\

And, :applause:, Guv World! Great work and great follow through!

With Diebold self-destructing, this effort could tip the whole issue here.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[FreedomAngel82]

43. These people can't do ANYthing unless they

lie, steal, cheat etc. It's the GOP play book. And than you blame your opponent for doing the same thing as well.

[autorank]

31. Can't believe the pathos and irony...

See this front page I just did for a commentary, brief and pointed.

:hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x404916

[Usrename]

42. Can't we just send them the Diebold machines?

Seems much simpler than truckloads of counterfeit ballots. WTF??? This is unbelievable but somehow I believe it.

[Gregorian]

14. Humboldt doesn't need electronic machines!

It's a county of trees. They DO NOT need electronic voting in that county.

I lived there. It's precincts of tiny "towns" where the fire departments are made of volunteers in the neighborhoods.

They could vote by shouting out their windows in Humboldt county.

What the hell is going on? I sure hope our Guv friend can get some results.

[GuvWurld]

15. Thanks, Neighbor

Part of the beauty of this campaign is that we can take coordinated action throughout the state, and make even small results in one place count many times over. Working on this collectively can create a significant re-framing of all election reform issues. It will become impossible for someone to run for County Clerk (elections director) unless they have a significant election reform platform. These are just some of the side benefits. The main thing is getting the machines and complicit people out, and getting local government to side with We The People in standing up against the state and/or federal government.

[radio4progressives]

19. Hey Neighbor - I'm just a little South of You...

Sonoma County here...

We do paper ballots - have for all the years that i've lived here, since early 70's...

I am really stunned you guys did electronic or diebold.

didn't pay attention to results in the last election from your neck of the woods, were they skewed from normal patterns/demographics?

mixed politics there, very very very progressive mixed with very very redneck - but generally come out on the progressive side on the totals.

[GuvWurld]

21. No irregularities reported

Even though good things are happening here, and I guess part of the proof is that people elsewhere are hearing the specific noise we're making here, there is still plenty of people who seem to be asleep about election conditions. Many people who begin to hear truth when listening to talk about the overall national situation, still come back to "it can't happen here," which only comes from "well I haven't heard of any problems here so things must be OK." Now I think the GAO report and the SoS report, which we should have used more effectively sooner, are giving us air tight cases and perfect means to frame the matter that connects local conditions to the big picture. Think global, act local, right? Get that same model happening in lots of towns. It's been the plan all along. Check out:

Guide To The Voter Confidence Resolution

and

Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution

[emlev]

25. What will Sonoma be doing to comply w/ or resist HAVA?

The DFM Mark-A-Vote system you use now isn't compliant. My county uses the same.

Call your county elections official and look into this, okay?
And if you want info on specific systems, here are some places to go:
www.votersunite.org
www.verifiedvoting.org.

[emlev]

26. Go, Guvvy!

Almost makes me wish I lived in a Diebold County so I could play!
No, just kidding. I know I can help anyway.
And I will.

[radio4progressives]

29. thanks I didn't know about this... n/t

[FogerRox]

17. GUV WORLD--

sue the basturds-- dont wait for the Criminal section to act-- civil law should give you the ability to seek relief as an Individual

[GuvWurld]

22. can you elaborate?

what do you know about the law? what are next steps?

seems to me the civil route may demand much more of me personally than I may have to give...still, others might want to lead on that front...hell, maybe there is a class action suit to be had here?

understand this: disenfranchisement is universal and guaranteed under current election conditions

[Justice Is Comin]

54. Contact the law firm that filed the class action suit in Ohio,

they may want to depose you for what you have learned. Just because the suit was filed in Ohio does not preclude them from getting information from another state which, if it can be proven, leads to more credibility for their overall claims. The reliability of Diebold's voting machines as sold to the investors, is definitely an element in their case.

[Amaryllis]

20. K and R

[acmavm]

23. I am so impressed by the people here sometimes. They are helping

to make/change the course of the history of our country. Way to go!!!!!

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

24. Outstanding!!

:applause:

[autorank]

32. Isn't this great.Who would have thought Humboldt Co. would lead the charge

I mean I grew up in a declase area of CA but we always said, at least this is not Eureka! But damn, Eureka, Hum bolt, and the uncompromisingly hip Arcata...you go, North Northern California!

[radio4progressives]

36. I'm so proud - Humboldt County Rocks the Nation! n/t

[babsbunny]

58. My brother is in Eureka!

He owns Superior Alarms, and he is a Religious Right Freak! But I love him.

[texpatriot2004]

27. Thanks again Autorank for another great thread nm

[Moochy]

28. Kicked !!

K&R :kick: :patriot:

[autorank]

33. Thank you!!! Texas is next. You lead this charge!

Remember, the state you save may be your own;)

[Usrename]

30. This is HUGH!!!!1111

They are getting pounded and their stock is tanking. They might all end up with public defenders! :rofl:

[autorank]

34. ROFLMAO

From the Law Firm of DoWe, Cheatem & How!

[radio4progressives]

37. this is PRICELESS! n/t

[autorank]

38. He just finished a dealth penalty appeal in TX (my bad;)

[Joanne98]

49. Diebold is down almost 1% and the market just opened.........

Watch it CRASH!
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DBD

[emlev]

73. What happened to make DBD drop in mid-September?

Anyone remember?

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=DBD

How significant is this drop? If it's significant, let's look at what happened then and see if we can do it again, several more times.

[AtomicKitten]

35. this is effin hugh!

Not a big surprise to me, though, since Kevin Shelley was railroaded out of office here in California.

[autorank]

41. He was railroaded. Why hasn't he been charged? He didn't do anything!

The bums rushed him out. To the shame of the CA Dems in thelegislature, they did nothing, nothing at all.

Damn, even when we're in the majority, we let them roll on us.

No more, no more!

[nicknameless]

39. Exciting to see that something is finally being done about this.

Here is another article about what went on in 2003 -- including the fiasco that stuck us with Ahhnold.
http://www.verifiedvoting.org/article.php?id=5021

Excerpt:

California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley Addresses Voting Systems Panel

Secretary of State Kevin Shelley gave the following address before the Voting Systems Panel and members of the public during the presentation of the results of an audit of (Diebold Election Systems) hardware, software, and firmware installed in 17 California counties.

After Secretary Shelley completed his speech, the audit results were presented. The audit revealed that among the random selection of Diebold's systems in those 17 counties, NO instances of certified software were discovered. Further, it was determined that in Los Angeles and 2 other counties, the firmware in use on the audited machines had never been submitted for Federal certification. (By California law, all election equipment must be certified at the Federal level and then approved by the State.)

It was further revealed that all of these machines were used in their uncertified configurations in both the November 2003 and the October "Recall" elections.

After the disclosure of the audit results, Assistant Secretary of State Marc Carrel announced his disgust and frustration with the revelations. However, the entire results of the audit were not available on that date, and the remainder of the audit discussion was scheduled for January 15, 2004. VerifiedVoting.org is urging all interested members of the public to attend the upcoming January 15th meeting in order to demonstrate strong support for a voter-verified audit trail as well as stronger enforcement of certification procedures.

<snip>

K&R

[diva77]

40. You forgot to include LA County

http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/04/04-07alexander-speech.html
excerpt of speech from Kim Alexander of Calvoter.org (secondary source of info.)

"Election officials who defend paperless e-voting systems insist that everything is tested and certified. This is not true. Last December the secretary of state conducted an audit of the 17 California counties using voting systems manufactured by Diebold. The audit found uncertified software or hardware being used in all 17 counties. In five counties, Diebold reported versions of software and hardware being used that differed from the ones actually found in that county. Three counties, including Los Angeles County, were found to have used software that had never been tested. Basically, no one had looked at it other than Diebold. There is little reason for the public to trust the outcome of elections conducted on paperless, computerized voting systems run on secret software, but there's absolutely no reason to trust election results when the software being used has never been tested or inspected. As Conny McCormack, the Los Angeles County registrar, told the Los Angeles Times last November, "All of us have made changes to our software – even major changes – and none of us have gone back to the secretary of state. But it was no secret we've been doing this all along."

[freedomfries]

44. kick & rec

Great thread! Let's pass on the GAO report along with this to all who need to know:
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf

[LWolf]

45. Done. n/t

[reprehensor]

46. All guns blazing.

Strafe Diebold. Strafe it, I say!

[autorank]

53. That's my Democratis Party...

:nuke:
End the wimp effect! NOW

[Nimrod2005]

47. But we win everything in CA, latest proposals were all defeated?

[Hapameli]

57. The two that polled highest got defeated first, the ones that couldnt pass

[Joe Chi Minh]

48. Wow, autorank! Are things moving or what!

[caligirl]

50. Warrenn County North Carolina getting Diebold vm despite

source code problems

http://uspolitics.about.com/b/a/207508.htm



Warren County looking at Diebold for voting machines
Henderson Daily Dispatch, NC - 11 hours ago
WARRENTON - The Warren County Board of Elections is primed to enter an agreement with Diebold Election Systems to purchase voting equipment for next year. ...
Can State Ignore Its E-Vote Law? Wired News
NC Approves Diebold Despite Refusal to Submit Source Code About - News & Issues
County is close to contract for new voting system St. Louis Post-Dispatch
all 5 related »

[caligirl]

51. Bradley Clark was our Elections supervisor in Alameda County

but he now works in the SoS office, McPhearson is Arnolds repug guy appointed to SoS.. Curiously he was pushing the Diebold machines here.

[Uncle Joe]

52. Kicked and Nominated.

:kick:

[EFerrari]

55. Kick

:kick:

[GuvWurld]

56. VoteTrustUSA Now Promoting This Campaign

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1">VoteTrustUSA now has a teaser of the campaign announcement from the GuvWurld Blog at the top of their home page. They also have the full piece here:

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=501&Itemid=30

Over in the Election Reform forum, DU member pauldp announced a letter writing campaign has started in San Luis Obispo.

Please report back here with further efforts supporting this endeavor, and thanks to the DU community for giving this campaign such a strong kick-off.

Peace.

[caligirl]

59. Alameda County here: I made calls to the county elections

and Supervisors offices with emails to the Grand jury and supervisor Keith Carsons office.

Not much reaction from them except when I told one guy about ther class action securities fraud case. That he was real interested in.

[radio4progressives]

60. I think we should call kgo and local news channels -

at least get this on the freaking NEWS .

whad'ya think?

[GuvWurld]

61. Hell yeah, tell them...

the machines are going straight into the Bay if they are not tonight's lead story ;-)

Seriously, the personnel component of this campaign is just as important as the machines. We have serious leverage to question how anybody could still be defending the use of these machines and having mega bucks invested in Diebold and other companies.

"If you are resigned to the status quo, you must resign your office and make way for someone determined to improve election conditions."

[caligirl]

70. Story works better on paper I think, I have this in mind

Letters to the editor via the media blaster posted below.

[schrodingers_cat]

71. Caligirl, would you mind posting that contact information?

Much appreciated!

[caligirl]

74. Follow the guvwurld link at the bottom are several links, thats how I did

it. Alameda is in the Central committee area, I picked the Santa Cruz and SFO people to email.

http://www.nvo.com/cgja/officersdirectors/


Resources:

CA election code: http://www.election-reform.us/laws/

CA voter complaint form: http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elections_fraud.htm

CA newspaper contacts: http://newsdirectory.com/news.php?co=USA&p=ca

CA Grand Jurors Association: http://www.nvo.com/cgja

CA District Attorneys: http://doju.tripod.com/california.html

CA Boards of Supervisors: http://www.cicg.org/search/roster.php

[AntiFascist]

64. So I assume that if we live in an affected county....

we can file a formal complaint using the Election Complaint Form?

[GuvWurld]

66. Clarification on complaint form

The form linked in the campaign announcement is issued by the CA SoS. It lists choices that can be checked off to indicate which type of state or federal law is alleged to have been broken. This is a general resource that anybody could use anytime and perhaps would make a good campaign on its own - imagine how high of a mountain we could make with everybody submitting one of these!

For the purposes of the CA campaign promoted in this thread, what I am recommending and calling for is formal complaints to be submitted to county district attorneys and grand juries. The idea here is that there was a crime, already acknowledged by the SoS, that took place in 17 counties. The local authorities should be investigating how the local elections officials could have let (or perhaps caused) this to happen. By taking the same approach in multiple locations, we can each get mileage out of each others successes and the entire campaign can amplify our issues in a way that will dramatically re-shape the way the issues are covered.

Example: the letter writers in San Luis Obispo should be citing the media coverage the GAO report has already received in Humboldt. When they get even a single blip in their local media, that will help me so much to accelerate the campaign here because I'll be able to talk about how we're leading the way.

Another important effect I anticipate is a sea change in what is considered an appropriate attitude for an elections official. Nobody should be able to run for County Clerk next year unless they have a serious election reform platform, ideally shaped by the Voter Confidence Resolution.

[AntiFascist]

76. Thanks for the clarification, and great work on getting all the info...

and links together. This really needs some local tv news exposure. I have a feeling that if one broadcast would cover it then they might all start, at least in the counties where this movement is starting.

[GuvWurld]

62. The Eureka Times-Standard Just Called Me

They will have a story tomorrow mentioning Leon County, FL and possible ramifications here locally. I was told of quotes from our County Elections Manager continuing to defend Diebold and I replied with the mantra cited above:

"If he is resigned to the status quo, he should resign and make way for someone determined to improve election conditions."

I told the reporter about the GAO report and the 2004 CA SoS report and our fabulous new statewide campaign.

GAME ON!

[freedomfries]

65. kick for guvworld & autorank

great strategy!

[emlev]

69. Great work, Guv! n/t

[caligirl]

67. media blaster link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster

[buddysmellgood]

72. kick

[sonias]

75. Go California!

Sue them when they're up, sue them when they're down, sue them all around. Let's get rid of them forever.

Thank you all CA Voting activists for your hard work and GuvWurld for the good catch!

Sonia

[GuvWurld]

77. Here it is - the first press mention calling for resignation

I started a new thread in the Election Reform forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=405179

Please rate that up and get discussion going around today's article in the Eureka Times-Standard where I have called for the resignation of the Humboldt County Elections Manager for his continued defense of Diebold.

[Vidar]

78. Thanks for posting.

[GuvWurld]

79. Kick (eom)

[wxliao]

80. Gov't of US joins Canada for racial/political persecution

USA has joined Canada for a full-scaled oppression on a racial minority's human rights complaint

The events in the process of my civil rights cases in California state court and the United States federal court so far have proved that the government of USA has joined with the government of Canada in organizing a systemic and institutionalized persecution on a racial minority who dared to challenge the core interests of the White race. I am persecuted by the both governments since I, a Chinese immigrant, overturned a White race superiority theory in academic studies, and would not accept the resulting racist retaliations against me. The persecution was organized by both the Canadian and USA governments through their civil and criminal justice systems, and through those White members of the privileged class. Now in my cases in USA, both the state and federal judiciaries are trying to cover up their governments' vicious abuses on my human rights by violating my most fundamental legal rights in courts to suppress my civil rights cases, through means of conspiracy, deceit, entrapment, etc.

In 1991, as a Chinese MA student at the University of Toronto, Canada, I disagreed with a professor, Waterhouse's art history theory that "the concept of beauty" is a "European concept" and Asians did not have the concept in history. Faced with the evidence, Waterhouse admitted my findings that the concept of beauty is universal for all human beings. Meanwhile, he conspired a retaliation harassment against me that consisted of a series of knowing violations of the University's grading system and academic regulations that directly caused the failure of my application for a Ph.D program.

I filed a complaint with the Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC). The OHRC colluded with the University to cover up the crucial evidences and investigation results on Waterhouse's knowing violations, and with the collusion of a American professor James Cahill of the University of California at Berkeley, concluded that my dispute with Waterhouse was unfounded without providing any justifiable ground. The complaint was dismissed. In order to further oppress my pursuit of the human rights complaint, the OHRC and the University engaged in a conspiracy to initiate a criminal proceeding against me by a malicious entrapment - giving an unconditional "confidentiality guaranty" to deceive me into a complete trust on the OHRC, then asking incriminating questions, and then prosecuting me for my reply. During this prosecution, the OHRC and U of T parties committed perjury, fabricating evidence and deceit, etc. I was finally found guilty by a judge for an obviously unlawful and illogic reason.

This criminal prosecution has infringed on my following rights guaranteed by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:
(1). Right against self-incrimination guaranteed by s. of the charter in that the prosecution violated the "voluntary commission rule" of criminal proceedings;
(2). Right against arbitrary detention guaranteed by s. 9 of the Charter in that the police conducted an unlawful arrest of the student;
(3). Right to equality before and under the law guaranteed by s. 15 of the Charter, in that the prosecution failed to prosecute the crime of perjury and fabricating evidence against me during the proceeding; and the "bail condition" imposed by the prosecution on me violated the Ontario Human Rights Code;
(4). Right to freedom and liberty guaranteed by s. 7 of the Charter by this criminal prosecution that was politically motivated to interfere with my human rights case.

Now the civil courts both in California, USA, and in Canada are actively engaging themselves in the oppression of my litigation against the perpetrators of my human rights case. It is the best evidence for the hypocrisy on human rights of the US and Canada, these self-posed "leaders of the world's human rights cause". It proves that their "human rights cause" is only a propaganda that they use as a political weapon against other nations for their gain.

The "main stream" media in Canada and US ignored my request to publish my story, perhaps because there is a government order in force. Quite few news groups on MSN, such as Canada Politics, News, etc., forbid me from access to their message boards to publish my story. My Web pages www.geocities.com/wliao.geo/ , www.wanxialiao.0catch.com, and www.wanxialiao.4t.com - have been deleted by hosts of those sites. This is another evidence that there is no "free speech" in North America for racial minorities to reveal the most vicious governmental human rights abuses.

Please visit http://www.wliao.150m.com and http://home.globility.com\~wxl85 for more info on my story.

[GuvWurld]

81. Here is another--2nd in 2 days--mention of the call for resignation

Humboldt County media is awesome!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=405434&mesg_id=405434

[pauldp]

82. Response from SLO county Clerk Recorder

Several of us in our local election reform group in San Luis Obispo County (investigatethevote.org) have written to our county clerk recorderinquiring whether or not they knew that uncertified Diebold software was used in the '04 election. Here is the response I
got:

(snip)
"Yes it was. The issue raised its head in the recall election and
uncertified software was used for that election. I know for those
that are Diebold detractors there is no excuse, but there were many changes
going on at the State level at that time about what needed to be certified
and what did not. Counties and the state were also to blame in part
as the Secretary of State was not communicating with counties about the
certification needs and counties were all so embroiled in trying to conduct
an election with very little notice that we were not asking the right
questions. Now in order to install new software (which is often
needed for changes in the laws or to fix bugs) we must receive
authorization from the Secretary of State."
(snip)

This CCR has also repeatedly made the point that we use optiscan ballots and we conduct
mandatory 1% recounts. She has been very accomodating to us local election reformers
in terms of meeting with us but she seems to think the suspicions surrounding Diebold are overblown.
She seems nice and hard working - possibly overworked, but all of that aside, if votes are being counted
with secret source code it doesn't matter, we need to fix it. The issue in SLO county is the GEMS software for the central tabulators.
So we are debating what steps to take next.

[GuvWurld]

83. Thanks for the update

And thanks for your good work. I hope those debating in your group are seeing the Humboldt press clippings for inspiration. You don't necessarily have to go public calling for resignation right away but you could conceivably show her how quickly this debate changes and that she has to give credence to the GAO report and the hack tests and the bottom line proprietary issue just on its face. Election conditions guarantee uncertain outcomes. This is not defensible. Give her a choice so that no longer defending it means being on your side.

[pauldp]

85. thanks for the advice GuvWurld.

I'll pass this on to everyone. I think if we met with her and presented some of the new
evidence - The GAO report and the hack tests - in person we may be able to win her over.
Although I think the '04 Presidential election was stolen, I think making that
the issue is not going to work with her. I agree we should give her a chance to make a change
in approach before we get tough. I think we will approach the County Board of Supervisors
and the local papers regardless however. I'll keep you posted.

[GuvWurld]

84. Kick (eom)

[loudsue]

86. I Hope They Take the Other Election Machine Mfgs. With 'Em!!

It's ALSO ES&S & Triad that need to go down, and someone really needs to start SCREAMING about the Central Tabulators, that count the votes even on paper ballots.

The whole & entire crooked scheme needs to be exposed.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Wilms]

87. .

[GuvWurld]

88. GuvWurld Roundup: A Tumultuous Week For Election News

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x405732

[GuvWurld]

89. Kick (eom)