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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:02 PM
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Did Kerry make the "southern sale" this evening?

I thought he was very average this evening - somewhat rambling and non-specific at times. I also noted he was not greeted with much applause, which lead me to think that his first date with the south did not go all that well.

Was anyone surprised that no one took the Medicare segment as an opening to fault him for his non-vote? Dean was the only one to go after him at all, for that matter.
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EllieDem Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:08 PM
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1. Kerry did damn good
he is a shoo in IMHO
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:09 PM
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3. Were we watching the same debate?
Kerry slipped back into pre-botox mode.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:09 PM
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2. Yes, He Was Average!
He didn't look like he should be the frontrunner to me.

He did ramble, did not seem as sharp as other times.

However, I don't think Edwards made a sale either.

Who knows what the voters will think?

I think Sharpton will get the vast majority of black votes; he's an excellent debater, doesn't play it safe, & addresses subjects others do not excel in.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:59 PM
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19. Agreed

Not a strong effort from him this evening, either.

And enough with the mill worker thing... :)
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:11 PM
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4. No sale!
For me. I don't know how influential his endorsements will be.

He'll do okay.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:12 PM
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5. he from Mass, he's in the south people were polite
thats about all you can expect
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:13 PM
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6. Obviously I can't be impartial. But I can't be impartial because he
has qualities and a record I reject.
He was flat as usual.
He didn't convince that he cares about being president of the
south, not just the Ivy League northeast.
He was defensive and uninspiring.

Did he speak to issues SCians care about?
Sharpton did. Edwards did.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:14 PM
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7. Yes
And he doesn't have to win big in SC, to win BIG, nationally.

Get the houselights up, I think it's all over folks.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:27 PM
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24. it's really
offensive, MR, when people tell us it's all over. Iowa and NH are not the nation. And recent history (Bush in 1988, Clinton in 1992, Bush in 2000) demonstrated that the NH winner garnered neither the nomination nor GE victory.

It ain't over!
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:16 PM
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8. i don't see it.
i thought he seemed wooden and out of place.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:18 PM
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9. No one stood out tonight.
I believe this helps Edwards by default.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:18 PM
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10. This was an Al Sharpton crowd

Lots to do there though. I thought John Edwards looked strong. He is in his element. Is this an overcalcuation? I do get the impression that SC will favor Sen. Edwards. He seems to have hardened his stance on the war. Am I wrong in this?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:19 PM
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11. Do Southerners Like Washinton Insiders Who Pontificate
and continously invoke the name of Clyburn.

Does SC have Diebold Machines?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:26 PM
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16. The question is will they like a Jim Clyburn

continously invoking the name of John Kerry.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:39 PM
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29. are you insinuating that Kerry will steal the primary?
that's pretty low, don't you think?
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:21 PM
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12. According to MSNBC Poll
Clark is #1, on who won the debate.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:23 PM
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14. cooooooooooooooool....
:thumbsup:
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:22 PM
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13. He did what he always does when he thinks he's in the lead.
He played it safe, waffled around and said nothing of substance, nothing that might rock the boat, nothing that might piss people off or (gasp!) inspire people.

He did make sure to smile, and display the botox treatment and $150 haircut. For some reason, that sort of thing just doesn't play well in the south. Guess it's good Kerry is writing off an entire segment of the country, it's not like the president is actually supposed to represent the people or anything stupid like that.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:24 PM
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15. Kerry did good, nothing overly special
Kerry got plenty of applause and laughs. But he was lacking on jokes, clear consise answers, friendlier words, and didn't talk about the issues important in the South.

Many of the canidates failed those things too.

Sharpton won, Kucinich shocked me with some strong answers.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:29 PM
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17. No, but thats beside the point
THe rela question is anybody watching? Are voters going to make any effort to select the best candidate or just be sheep?
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:44 PM
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18. Yes, they are still asleep.
Maybe they will wake up when they get inside the voting booth like they did in NH...that is if they can get away from watching reality TV. Whatever!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:55 PM
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20. I think Kerry..
got booed. Not very good, if you ask me.
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:59 PM
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21. yeah... i agree
the pundits will talk about him doing well because he didnt get mauled by an opponent - but he certainly didnt push his campaign forward. All they could manage is that, i suppose, they think he's backing into victories on Feb 3. I dont know if that's the situation I'd want to be in - a lot of voters in those states watched that debate and those candidates for the first time tonight - and Kerry wasnt a lot better than average.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:31 PM
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25. I didn't hear anyone boo
Really?

I think Kerry was not at his best and neither was Edwards and neither was Dean. Joe actually did well. Sharpton, Kucinich and Clark had it going.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:04 PM
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22. Kerry voted for the fillibuster. That's all that matters.
Only those who focus on non-issues could fault him.
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LostInTheMaise Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:07 PM
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23. Nope. No amont of botox will sell him to southerners
He is a sure loss for the Democratic party in the South.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:34 PM
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26. He did OK... He looked presidential.
And he didn't make any boo-boos. He parried Dean's charges well enough. He was near the top.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:35 PM
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27. You are far too kind. Clark blew him away.
Not that this was difficult in the case of Kerry, who looked and sounded just stunted, but...

Anyway, no, he didn't make any sale to anyone. He really looked like an also ran, not a front runner.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:37 PM
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28. As a southernor for half my life, I didn't see it.
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