Sen. John Warner lied on Hardball tonight ...

[jenmito]

He said at the end of his interview that the bipartisan vote for some kind of accountability passed with 78 votes while the MURTHA bill was defeated with over 400 "no" votes. Matthews didn't question him. We all know that was NOT the Murtha bill but the HUNTER bill!

[goclark]

1. Warner is a DOG, Liz Taylor was smart

to get rid of him.

[Cha]

2. SHOCK! john warner

lied!

The rethugs' credo is.. it's okay to lie..whatever it takes to cheat Americans out of their Democracy.

[jenmito]

3. He just snuck it in

at the end of the interview.

[Joe for Clark]

4. Warner is kind of a senile old guy.

We are not.

I don't expect much of CM - and he doesn't deserve much respect.

Murtha is a great man, nothing anyone can say diminishes that. More - the pentagon listens to him, respects him.

I so doubt B*sh gets the same respect.

Hunter is an idiot. He lives in California, though - and even in Orange County - he HAS A PROBLEM.

If the guy wants to keep his job, and I am sure he does, even this bastard has to give.

I hope he doesn't. Best we have a clean break with the assholes that put us in this position - but if he doesn't, maybe even Orange county turns blue.

Either way,

Best to you jenmito -

[hollowdweller]

5. I'm totally unimpressed with Warner. Too old- his mindset is 20th Century

I had never really paid much attention to him till I started hearing he might run for president. I'd vote for him over Mc Cain but IMO he is too old. One thing about Clinton was that he was a really forward thinking president Warner just seems old establishment crooked to me.

[Captain Hilts]

6. Different Warner.

I actually like John Warner. Far from the brightest guy in the senate, he's very honest, 'plays well with others' and always dresses well.

[hollowdweller]

8. Good. So the one I have seen recently is Sen Warner right??

[GrumpyGreg]

11. Too old? Just because you don't agree with him he's too old?

I'm old. Ted Kennedy is old. What about us?

God !

[radio4progressives]

24. when is his next election coming up? '06? or '08? n't

[Zynx]

25. Are you thinking of the right Warner when refering to a run for the presid

ency? Mark Warner is the governor of VA who is running for president. John Warner is a senile old fart.

[jenmito]

10. Good analysis!

And nice "name." :hi:

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Right

I watched part of that and one guy tried to make it seem like it was Murtha's bill but it wasn't and a democratic guy had to ask what they were voting on and made the other guy retract what he said. This is why they were doing this.

[hollowdweller]

9. Both times I've missed hearing whether he was Sen or Gov.

[jenmito]

12. Sen. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

14. It's caused a great deal of confusion. Especially when they ran...

against each other!

Join the club.

[liberalitch]

28. Sen. John Warner (R-Va.) as opposed to Gov. Mark Warner.....

democratic governor of Va. and hopefully the next POTUS

[Emit]

13. Matthews is just as guilty for not questioning him! Grrrrrr n/t

[usregimechange]

15. He surely knows better.

[JerseygirlCT]

16. I caught that, too.

A real journalist, one really interested in the truth, one really playing "hardball" would have called him on it, immediately.

[Emit]

17. He must be making the rounds

I caught him on Meet the Press this past Sunday...where he suggested the fireside chat thing.

At this point:

MR. RUSSERT: ...being used for nuclear weapon development. The State Department was very, very clear about that; the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, the Department of Energy. And in the National Intelligence Estimate there was a caveat which said, "We don't believe these tubes could be used for anything like that." Do you believe, in all honesty, that the administration took the very best spin on intelligence they could get in order to help buttress or support the case for war?

SEN. WARNER: You know, I've known the president quite well. I knew his father well. I actually knew his grandfather, met him. You remember, he served on the...

SEN. BIDEN: I only know the father and the...

SEN. WARNER: Well, anyway, the grandfather served on the Armed Services Committee as a senator. That's a family that's been known for its integrity and public service for generations. Our president would not intentionally take any facts and try and mislead the American public, in my judgment. What was before all leaders of the world at that time were facts that gave rise to the--Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction and some potential for nuclear weapons. When we went in, in '91, we underestimated how far he had proceeded in his programs. Now, we recognize he didn't have them but he certainly had the infrastructure to which he was going to direct moneys, if he ever got it, to go back into the business of weapons of mass destruction, had not this invasion taken place.

...I laughed out loud and promptly turned it off.

Warner vouching for the integrity and honesty of the Bushes is quite amusing, in and of itself.

But, as I listened to how Warner spins his answer, what stands out is how these people keep perpetuating this notion that an invasion was appropriate based on Saddam wanting to enhance his weapons capabilities. What evil dictator doesn't want this?

Contrary to what Warner claims, other reports show that after the Gulf War and more than ten years of sanctions and IAEA oversight likely did lead to the loss of much of Iraq's physical weaponry infrastructure.

Saddam's interest in acquiring or developing nuclear weapons may not have diminished, but, was he an immediate threat, with ties to Al Qaeda and 9/11? Was a pre-emptive attack the best solution, or would more strict and serious weapons inspections, coupled with pressure from threat of war have been the better solution?


I'm beginning to think Warner and the whole lot of them are senile, IMO. They think we're fools. Double GGrrr!

[Sparkly]

18. Send this to MediaMatters. nt

[jenmito]

19. It DID make me mad...

how CM just let him get away with it.

[jenmito]

23. I just did.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[grasswire]

20. I heard it, too...

...and I hollered "LIAR!!" at the television.

Goddam liar.

And why didn't Tweety catch that??

[jenmito]

21. I shouted at the tv, too!

I think Matthews wasn't listening. He really likes to hear himself talk more than anything.

[DemoTex]

22. Wasn't Warner a Democrat at one time?

Wasn't he one of the first turncoats, before it got really popular with Southern politicians? Virginia does have a shitty duo in the Senate: Warner, and that football coach's son, what's his name? Oh yeah .. George. George Allen, just like his daddy ...

[Joe for Clark]

26. That is good.

Reagan was a democrat once, too.

Senator Warner is a decent man, I am sure. Out of it totally, but a decent man none the less.

Joe

[Disturbed]

27. "That's a family that's been known for its integrity."

The Bush Crime Family known for it's integrity? In what alternate reality is this fool refering to?

[liberalitch]

29. Sen. Allen is a racist.... tell everyone!

[Joe for Clark]

30. I think moron comes first,

But I agree with you.

Joe