I can't help but think: what if Amman was just Black Ops?

[NinetySix]

The reports I've seen indicate that the bomber who detonated his belt at the wedding party was an Arab man with a foreign (to Jordan) accent. If Zarqawi, who may or may not be the real culprit, were interested in attacking his own countrymen, why would he do so with anyone but a fellow Jordanian? How would that aid his cause, since it would clearly encourage a further rift in Arab public opinon?

Further, who stands to gain, and how? Zarqawi is referred to as the "leader of the Iraqi insurgency," at least on CNN. Wow, I had no idea that the insurgency was so centralized that it had one single leader and a single unified aim! That aside, what is the effect of violence perpetrated upon Jordanian citizens to the effectiveness of the Iraqi insurgency? On the other hand, what is the effect if the world perceives this as the brutal act of amoral terrorists?

Call me a cynic, but after all the naked manipulation and cloying attempts to sway public opinion I've seen since the Fall of 2002, something just smells a bit ripe to me....

[LibertyorDeath]

1. Sounds like you're using logic & common sense( ie who gains)

You will be set upon mercilessly for it
in 3...2...1

Good post.

So many willingly eat the propaganda I guess
they love the flavor.

Hey if CNN reported it then it must "be true"

[shraby]

2. It's been in the back of my mind too.

Especially when the U.S. wants to send our investigators over to help. I would think the Jordanians are perfectly capable of investigating crimes in their own country.

[cantstandbush]

6. It was int he front of my mind. Always is. n/t

[Mind_your_head]

3. Did you see this? One of the FIRST reports to come out says it was a bomb

in the ceiling. Was the story changed? :shrug:

<snip>

Bomb in ceiling caused Jordan hotel blast - source

Updated: 2:39 p.m. ET Nov. 9, 2005
AMMAN - A blast at the Radisson hotel in the Jordanian capital Amman on Wednesday was caused by a bomb placed in a false ceiling, police sources at the scene told Reuters.

<snip>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9980123/

[The Magistrate]

9. Initial Reports In Chaotic Circumstances Are Generally In Error, Ma'am

Accounts stabilize over time as the situation clarifies. the initial reports of the London tube bombings, for example, spoke of transformer explosions....

[Mind_your_head]

15. I was just pointing this little discrepancy out

Hey, I wasn't there (and I presume you weren't there either). So 'we' really don't know what happened there. We can only go by what we're told.

We do know that the 'dominant media' hasn't been very honest with the public on many important matters, and if fact, has actively been trying to 'steer public opinion' to certain conclusions. Therefore, I think a certain level of healthy skepticism these days would seem reasonable.

I am not an expert by any means, but I found a few interesting bits:

<snip>
EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OFTEN CONTAIN INACCURACIES (Buckhout, 1974; Wells et al., 2000). However, inaccuracies occur primarily when eyewitnesses recall peripheral details (i.e., the specific details of an event). In contrast, the results of both laboratory and real-life research have demonstrated that central details (i.e., the gist of what happened) are typically remembered with greater accuracy (Christianson, 1992; Wessel & Merckelbach, 1997). Furthermore, the results of a limited number of real-life studies have demonstrated that central-detail recall of traumatic events is also accurate. For example, most individuals who witnessed (a) a shooting as a bystander (Yuille & Cutshall, 1986), (b) a bank robbery as a bystander or a victim (Christianson & Hubinette, 1993), or (c) various types of violent crime (homicide, rape, robbery) as a victim (Kuehn, 1974), accurately recalled the central details of their experiences (typically with accuracy greater than 70% across various central details).

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2405/is_1_130/ai_98709930
<snip>

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Also:

<snip>
Loftus has spent most of her life steadily amassing a clear and brilliant body of work showing that memory is amazingly fragile and inventive. Her studies on more than 20,000 subjects are classics that have toppled some of our most cherished beliefs. She has shown that eyewitness testimony is often unreliable, that false memories can be triggered in up to 25 percent of individuals merely by suggestion, and that memory can be interfered with and altered by simply giving incorrect post-event information.

Because her work raises doubt about the validity of long-buried memories of repeated trauma in particular--though it in no way disproves them--she has found herself asked to testify in some of the more famous trials of our time. In fact, Loftus has been called as an expert witness in more than 200 trials, from that of mass murderer Ted Bundy to accused child-killer George Franklin; has appeared on countless talk and news shows, from 60 Minutes to Oprah; has published 19 books and innumerable papers; and in 1995 received the Distinguished Contribution Award from the American Academy of Forensic Psychology.

http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/Articles/psytoday.htm
<snip>

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As I mentioned already, I can't possibly have any idea of what's true or not in this case (or most others either, as I'm just a far-away newswatcher).

I just threw that article out there as 'food for thought/discussion' seeing as how this IS a 'DISCUSSION BOARD'.

Also, I don't appreciate the way you so glibly brush off certain posts as 'being silly or in error'. I doubt you have cornered the market on truth.

Good Day to you, Sir.

[madrchsod]

4. it took me a few minutes to figure out it smelled

like rummies spec.ops boys. what better way to drag jordan into the war than to protect them from those bad terrorists? i smell another cambodia.look how that turned out-the "killing fields"

[Dancing_Dave]

7. Yeah, Rummies boys were involved in the deal somehow!

We may see an attempt to frame some Iraqi refugees in Jordan (there are thousands now!). That scam should be watched very closely.

[Dancing_Dave]

5. Most certainly a Black Op!

And Zarqawi couldn't have had much directly to do with it, since he's been dead for several years now! His family held the funeral service in 2003.

So who is really behind it? Well, the key beneficiary is the King of Jordan, who is becoming increasingly unpopular among his people due to his association with Bush and the occupation of Iraq.

I'm sure he had a hand in this. Who else was involved in the deal should become clear in the next few weaks.

[DemInDistress]

8. Who stands to gain from unrest in Jordan,Syria and Lebanon ?

The Bush Crime Family,PNAC and the Bilderbergers.First Hariri in Feb.
Syria pulls out in May,then the heat with Syria,riots in France and now Jordan.We already own Iraq and Afghanistan with Pakistan and India
as our friend.To the door step of China PNAC dreams of but all is contingent upon owning the oilfields in Iraq.

[Spike from MN]

10. Uh, I think you can probably remove the "what if"

in the subject line. I love how "Zarqawi" always claims responsibility for terrorist acts everywhere yet we have never seen a videotape of the guy and/or heard an audio tape from him. Granted, both would be easy to fake but the average American never seems to question things once they are trotted out in the MSM so the tapes would be easy to pass off as legit. To me, either the Chimp administration is too lazy to be bothered with details like that or they're just being cavalier, knowing the average American is content to suck up whatever is presented to them by the MSM and go on with life. Especially now that gas prices are lower.

Like you NinetySix, I have never seen the insurgents as being an organized group. Actually, I suspect there are two separate classifications of so-called insurgents. One is comprised of small disparate groups that band together to fight the occupation of their country. A lot of the Iraqis would consider them to be patriots. The second group might indeed have centralized leadership, though it certainly isn't provided by Zarqawi. I'm thinking of something a lot closer to home. You hit the nail on the head when you asked "who stands to gain, and how?" The first name that comes to mind is certainly not Zarqawi.

On an added note, I was rather surprised that Giuliani wasn't in Jordan for a "conference" right about the same time as the bombings. I kind of expected him to be right there front-and-center. The Chimp administration must be slipping because they missed an opportunity to bring up 9/11 all over again.

[kestrel91316]

11. Who gains, if it is??

Well those disappointing election results have to have had * looking for some way to know them off the front page. What better way than more TERRATERRATERRA??

[pox americana]

12. If it happened here, it could happen there

and it happened here.

[Dancing_Dave]

13. You got that one right!

:pals:

[AtomicKitten]

14. My first thought was HOW CONVENIENT!!!

I would believe anything. I believe this cabal is capable of anything.