Fox Whore John Gibson: Saddam Is Out of Power Because of Bush's War

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

Saddam Is Out of Power Because of Bush's War

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174642,00.html



As you will hear later, I received a huge amount of objection from Bush haters about my explanation of the logic in their 'Bush lied' mantra.

We're talking about the war, of course. The Democrats are crazed to make the Bush lied charge stick because they see an opportunity to make up for the Kerry loss by a big win in the midterm elections — a chance to sweep Republicans out and put Dems in.

Thursday I said the flaw in the Bush lied logic is that when you follow that line of thinking, this is what you get: Bush lied means the war was wrong means Saddam (search) should never have been deposed and that means Saddam should be put back in power. So I get all these outraged letters saying, "John, you're so dumb. Nobody wants Saddam back in power, but Bush lied." Ok, but the war was what removed Saddam from power. It wasn't going to happen any other way.

Bush launched the war to put him out of power. If Bush had not launched the war, Saddam would still be in power. You cannot have Saddam out without endorsing Bush's war. If you oppose Bush's war, if you say it never should have happened, you are saying you would prefer we rolled back the clock pre-March 19, 2003 and Saddam is running Iraq.

[melody]

1. And if he wasn't a Bush Whore, this guy would be doing infomercials

eom

[tofubo]

17. but he is a bush whore, that's why he's on fux doing disinfomercials

[melody]

22. That long a stretch doesn't seem to me to be "infomercials"

(or disinformercials - nice coinage, btw) - more like the Home Fascist Shopping Network.

[mandomom]

19. umm, he IS doing an infomercial for Bush/Cheney, every night.

[noahmijo]

2. And an unfettered civil war which regardless of the results

will have an outcome of an Islamic Republic which will mirror or exceed that of Saudia Arabia THANKS TO BUSH'S WAR.


You stupid ugly dumbfuck.

[LynnTheDem]

3. but BUSH said Saddam could REMAIN IN POWER if disarmed.

Then BUSH KICKED OUT the weapons inspectors 90 days before they were finished.

BUSH SAID Saddam could REMAIN IN POWER.

BUSH SAID war would be a LAST RESORT.

BUSH kicked out the weapons inspectors 90 days before they were finished.

BUSH LIED.

[0007]

18. junior lied, troops died, and mother cried.......n/t

[berni_mccoy]

4. The problem with Gibson's logic is Saddam had no power in the first place

Saddam was effectively controlled by sanctions and weapons inspectors. If we had finished the job Clinton started, 100s of thousands of Iraqis and 2000+ U.S. soldiers would still be alive. Oh, and there would be no Al Qaeda in Iraq.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. California was out of power because of Bush's friends at Enron. nt.

[catmother]

6. i remember him during the OJ trial. he stood outside the

courthouse in all kinds of weather giving feedback to geraldo. who knew he would become a whore for the repubs?

[Nitrogenica]

7. Ummm...OK Bush doesn't lie, leaving BILLIONS of dollars poured

into our economy leaving National Guard troops here NOBODY DIES and the relief effort for Katrina is HEROIC, rather than a NATIONAL DISGRACE. The economy stays strong and gas prices remain AFFORDABLE.

Remember this is the same guy who writes this classic piece.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1595230165/104-1130284-2187949?v=glance

WHAT A DISGRACEFUL UGLY AMERICAN

[Nitrogenica]

10. Oh and our reputation around the world stays intact.

[ClassWarrior]

8. Was the benefit worth the cost? Tens of thousands dead or maimed, and...

billions in taxpayer money??

That's the only answer these whores deserve.

(And FUCK YOU Bush_Eats_Beef!! Now I have to go wash my eyes out with hydrocholoric acid, thanks to that big nasty picture of Bunny Teeth!!)

NGU.

[NanceGreggs]

9. I can never hear this 'The End Justifies The Means' argument ...

.. often enough!

If Bush hadn't lied us into this war, Saddam would still be in power. And over two thousand American service people would still be alive. Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians would still be alive. The billions of dollars we've wasted on this debacle could have been spent on promoting peace, economic prosperity, education, and feeding the hungry, not only at home, but around the world. The United States would not be reviled around the globe, and the hundreds of thousands of anti-American terrorists who have become so because of this war would not exist.

Yeah, thank God Bush lied. Where would the world be without him -- besides better off?

[Nitrogenica]

13. HEAR HEAR!!

[NoPasaran]

11. And...?

The world is a far more dangerous place, and the national security of the United States is far more threatened than it would be if Saddam were still in power. I only wish that turning the clock back was actually possible.

[Kierkegaard]

12. Unbelievable...

Why aren't ignoramuses like this publicly ridiculed and forced back into the cave from which they crawled? This argument is so devoid of logic that I have to question whether this person can be considered legally competent to be responsible for his own actions.

[patdem]

14. Didn't the UAE say Sadaam was willing to go into exile?

here is the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1885510

[dogday]

15. War Powers Provision does not

apply for regime change. Regime change is not a reason to go to war. Might of been a good thing, but it is against our law to do this...

[louis-t]

16. Sickening piece of garbage.

There's a "flaw in the 'Bush lied' logic"? OK, Poindexter, let's stop talking in circles for a second. He either lied or he didn't. There is no 'flaw'. Trying to distract from bush's lie by saying the logic is flawed doesn't really work, does it? You ignorant, overpaid, geek.
Bush lied means bush lied. Tens of thousands are dead. He lied. Get over it. He has a lot of blood on his hands and, by excusing his behaviour, so do you. Fucking creep.

[Mz Pip]

20. I would have preferred

being told the truth and then being able to decide the merits of going to waqr based on the truth. Not spin, not lies, not the cherry picking of information.

THis piece is full of faulty logic. Being anti-Saddam and being opposed to the war were not mutually exclusive. Being anti-war does not mean we want Saddam back in power. Saddam wasn't that "powerful" anyway. He'd lost 2 wars in 10 years, and was effectively contained by our sanctions and fly overs. He wasn't going anywhere.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Joe Chi Minh]

21. Unfortunately, he was only there in the first place,

because of another Bush's idea of peace. Pax Americana. Just like Pinochet was elevated because of earlier Republicans' imperial requirements.

[johnnydrama]

23. what these idiots don't realize

Or they do realize, but it's not part of the talking points, is that Regime Change in Iraq does not mean 2000 dead american soldiers, 300 billion American dollars, and chaos in Iraq.

This is what 41 & 42 understood.

Take away his ability to produce WMD's, which Clinton did, and he's nothing anymore.

Why does the idea that Saddam has to go have to come at any cost?

What's ok, 10,000 American lives? 800 billion?

[Joe Chi Minh]

25. Absolutely right. You wouldn't think sh*t of any kind could be

so transparent, but the bullsh*t involved in trying to confuse the neocons' determination to impose a pristine, jungle-style, free-market economy on Iraq, as Naomi Klein stated was the case, and wanting to spread freedom by getting rid of the tyrant they had, themselves, put there in the first place, has to take the cake. What about that pal of theirs who likes to boil his "enemies" alive?

There's a female journalist on the Daily Mail, who's confessed to having been totally wrong about the war in Iraq, and - you wouldn't believe it... unless you knew her.... she now says its because the neocons want to spread freedom!!!! Nothing about oil, hegemony, empire, of course... Pathetic, truly pathetic. But then they have a political head-banger called Simon Heffer who headlined one of his recent articles proclaiming that by privatization the right had been giving back companies to the people! I'm not sure whether he said "companies" or "the country", in fact. But you get the gist. privatizing was actually nationalizing! I kid you not.

[SOS]

24. "Bush launched the war to put him out of power."

What an absolute imbecile!

Bush lied about Iraq's capacity to threaten the security of the US.

Bush launched the war to "disarm" Hussein, based on forged documents, Office of Special Plans lies, lies about AQ connections, lies about aluminum tubes, lies presented to the UN, lies about mobile labs, lies about pilot intercepts, lies about long-abandoned WMD facilities,
lies about VX gas, lies about 9/11 connections, lies about unmanned drones ready to disperse anthrax in an American city and lies about mushroom clouds.

Putting Hussein out of power was specifically not offered as a reason for war because the OSP cretins knew it wouldn't be accepted by the American people.