Hillary Clinton's Big Ohio Win

[Columbus]

two interesting stories from

http://www.OhioHonestElections.org

The first one is about Hillary Clinton's success in wooing a major fundraiser in Ohio and the implications for 2008.

The second story calls Ohio "Ground Zero" in 2006. "Ohio is still the crucial state in '08"

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 New York Post: "Ohio's biggest Democratic money maven from 2004 is throwing her financial support behind Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- a huge score for the former first lady in a crucial presidential swing state. Clinton has locked up the services of Lana Moresky -- a fund-raising queen who raised more than $500,000 in Ohio for failed president wannabe John Kerry."

"Clinton staffers insist Moresky is just helping with her 2006 Senate race -- but insiders laughed that off and said the move is the surest sign yet that she's making a run for the White House in 2008."

"No way is this just for re-election," said an operative aligned with a potential Democratic rival for the White House. "She is laying the tracks."

"Moresky, the former head of the Ohio National Organization for Women, told the Toledo Blade newspaper that her ability to bundle massive wads of cash through small donations caught the attention of Clinton officials readying for re-election -- and a potential presidential run. She told the newspaper that Camp Clinton asked her to "help out." Moresky did not return calls from The Post."

"Ohio is considered one of the most important states in play for 2008, as it was in 2004."

Wednesday, November 02, 2005 Washington Post Names Ohio "Ground Zero" in 2006: "After providing the key electoral votes to return George W. Bush back to the Oval Office last November, Ohio is once again shaping up to be the country's bellwether in 2006. The state will play host to an open-seat governor's race, a top-tier Senate race and a slew of seriously contested House races next November. "Pound for pound, Ohio will be the most important state in next year's midterm elections," said Charlie Cook, a noted political prognosticator (and The Fix's former boss)."

[William769]

1. I hope Ohio comes blue again.

[electropop]

2. It already is blue.

Ohio voted for Kerry, or tried to. Blackwell stole votes in every imaginable way. He's typical of the last-gasp Repigs in Ohio, who are now at a 15% approval and dropping.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

8. and next you'll be telling me JFK was assasinated by his own brother

LOL. you forgot to ad :sarcasm: at the end, unless you're espousing one of those conspiracy theories. :tinfoilhat:

[Awsi Dooger]

3. We'll get a better indication with the senate result

I'm still not confident Ohio is turning blue or is just short term fed up with a lousy state economy and performance of the elected GOP officials. In contrast, you can see the slow but legit moves to the left in states like Colorado and Virginia.

Whatever it is, we need to pounce in 2006 and pick up those seats. I still believe Paul Hackett is our best hope, not only to beat an incumbent but also to unveil a different type of Democrat to the generally conservative voters in Ohio, change their basic mindset of automatically voting for the R.

[NCarolinawoman]

18. I can't imagine Paul Hackett wanting to be seen on the same stage as

Hillary.

Actually, I'm trying to imagine what coatails she would have for any "red-stater" who is running for office.

[doc03]

4. Ohio could go Blue but Hillary Clinton won't be the

key. I hate to see posts even suggesting Hillary Clinton could be our chance to win in 2008. I think the only possible way she could win is if she runs against Rice. In that case it would be possible since a lot of Repugs will sit out the election rather than vote for a Black or a woman for President.

[leyton]

5. There is every reason Hillary can win.

Polling shows that despite twelve years of Republican attacks, a majority of this country would still vote for her. Second, she *does* have a good chance in Ohio (which is currently discontent with Republicans at all levels) as well as Florida (which was blue in 1996 and 2000), Iowa (only barely went to Gore and Bush), New Hampshire (only barely went to Bush and then Kerry), New Mexico, Nevada, and Colorado. That right there is a victory lap.

[second edition]

6. Hillary is Hillary and I just don't see her making it. Wasted money

in my opinion. The polls you hang onto are just to early to be a crystal ball into the future. I actually admire Hillary Clinton, I just do not think she is the answer in 2008.

[Clark2008]

11. A "majority" does not a winner make.

It's all about the Electoral College vote and if that "majority" is in states that are already blue, her chances are nil. For example, check her polling in red states: it SUCKS. Even in "purple" red states (those who COULD turn, given the right candidate).

We have to turn some swing voters and paelo-conservatives on in the red states.

[Clark2008]

10. I agree. I keep wondering why Dems want to continue to lose.

Hillary could no more flip a red state than I could pick her up and throw her (and she probably outweighs me by about 100 pounds - I'm little - so that's impossible).

If we want to take back the presidency, we have to nominate someone that the swing voters in red states will clamor to and she ain't it. No way they will either vote for a woman when we're still at war OR vote for a woman who is so polarizing.

I'm female and she doesn't appeal to me - at all - mainly because she can't win.

[VolcanoJen]

13. If Hillary Clinton can win my state of Ohio...

... I'll eat my shoe. A real shoe, Hillary. No marzipan.

No way. No way in hell.

She doesn't appeal to me, either. I admire her, and I like having her in the Senate, but I don't care for her speaking style, her run to the middle and her seemingly continued support for "staying the course" in Iraq.

And, annoying to me on a personal level, she sends me more junk fundraising mail than all the other fundraising Dems put together.

"America can do better," and so can Democrats, than pinning all of our hopes on Hillary Clinton.

[mtnsnake]

7. Hillary at her worst would run a better campaign than the one we saw

in 2004.

In addition to all her other vitues, she's STRONG. She won't let the other side push her around.

[second edition]

9. With all do respect, I disagree with you. You have no proof to back

up your claim of a better campaign from Hillary. She has never had to run a tough campaign. Her last outing she had to run against who? Apparently, he was so insignificant his name doesn't even come to mind. And this time around in NY, I doubt this woman running against her is going to be much competition either. This woman can't even get organized. Hillary seems to look for easy contests.
In regards to John Kerry, he has a background, going back at least 20 years of campaigning, and some of those contests were tough. I for one did not think kerry's campaign last year was bad. if he would have won, people would have been singing his praises. Perhaps, you still haven't gotten over the close loss.

[dsc]

16. Kerry had one tough contest

and Hillary entered the race assuming Guiliani could have been her opponent. He then imploded with a nasty divorce but before that he would have been a tough opponent. Rick Lazio was her opponent.

[Clark2008]

12. How do you know?

She's only run in a blue state. Whoopee. Any progressive can do that.

Let's see her come to the South or mid-West (outside of Illinois) and handle the fast balls that come her way. She won't be able to and probably will ignore that whole region, just like Kerry did. *sigh*

[second edition]

14. I will agree, that I never liked that strategy of not campaigning

in the South. i like to believe that that wasn't his decision, but Shrum's and was done to use the campaign money where it would do the most good. I never liked the idea of ignoring a portion of this country. A President is suppose to represent all the people not just select groups. That is one reason I dislike Bush so much, he and Rove purposely thrive on polarizing this country.

[mtnsnake]

15. I'm only assuming that, based on figuring that ANYONE would run

a better campaign than the one Kerry and his handlers ran last year and the fact that I watched Hillary's campaign closely and was impressed by her. If I'm harping too much on Kerry's poor campaign, then so be it, but I'm not trying to upset the Kerry backers here when I do it. I'm still upset everytime I think about that campaign last year that was so riddled with mistakes and terrible decision making.

Getting back to Hillary, how do you know that "she won't be able to handle the fast balls that come her way" if she comes to the South and the mid-West. I watched her campaign closely in upstate NY and she handled herself nothing less than brilliantly when she was faced with tough situations concerning neocons and right wingers. Yes, those people do exist in blue NY, too, not just in the South.

Let's just hope our next candidate, Hillary or whomever, doesn't ignore those important regions you talked about. That would be a fatal mistake. At least we won't see Hillary dressing up in any camouflaged hunting fatigues on her way goose hunting! :evilgrin:

[Tactical Progressive]

17. Hillary getting organized early - I like it

Right-wingers learn to immediately hate anybody that confronts them, Hillary or whoever, but their hatred of Hillary is going to play Republicans out as the nasty, mindless shits that they are for all to see because she was nothing but the victim of Monicagate.

Moderates are going to flock to her in droves once she gets rolling and polls high. I'm so glad she's moved so visibly centrist so very early on; it shows that she and her people know what they're doing.

To my fellow knee-jerk Progressives: keep calling Hillary a right-winger. You may not know what you're talking about, or understand anything about politics, but they don't know that. So keep it up, in fact, try to get louder and sound more committed. Here, let me help:

Hillary is a goddam Republican! What the hell is going on with the Democratic party?! I'm gonna vote for a real liberal, not Hillary! No Way!!!

[doc03]

19. Took a 300 mile round trip from home to Columbus today and

only saw 2 (yes 2) Bush 04 bumper stickers. Ohio is ripe for a Democratic take over but I don't think Hillary would have a chance.