Since Republicans want to get rid of abortion...

[butterfly77]

Why do they do everything in their power to make the children that are born suffer? Low wage jobs for their parents, No theaffordable housing, no medical care, etc.. Another problem I see is,if they want an educated society why are they trying to get rid of public schools, when they know every child will not receive vouchers. If every child can't receive an education isn't this leaving some children behind. Why do these hypocrites want these children born? I am not saying I believe or don't believe in abortion.

[electron_blue]

1. You're answering your own question

They don't want an educated society. They want masses they can control, which is easiest to do if they are poor & uneducated.

Seriously - keep on thinking about it.

[triguy46]

2. they don't give a rip about abortion, they have no morals...

its just a wedge to get votes. They overturn Roe, they have to find a new witch to burn. Too many repug daughter's get abortions and it will be too much of a hassle to fly to Canada.

[racaulk]

3. That's what I was thinking too.

Abortion has been effectively used by the RW as a wedge issue to get votes for too long to change now. I don't think Roe v. Wade will be overturned for that reason, just like Osama bin Laden won't be caught and there will not be a federal Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (by defining marriage as being between a man and a woman). It's much easier to scare the masses into voting for you if you already have a boogeyman in place.

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[SharonAnn]

14. States do not have constitutional authority to overturn rights of

citizens. That's why it's a Federal issue. Privacy, or the right to be left to make one's own choices about one's health care, is a basic right.

Otherwise states could prohibit contraception, as some used to do.

States could permit segregation, as some used to do.

States could permit discrimination based on religion, race, sex, abilities, etc., as some used to do.

[triguy46]

18. Which is why when I hear "states rights"

I begin to think of 1850. Those who oppose abortion, civil rights, voting rights, worker rights, privacy rights are salivating that with the SCOTUS in the pocket of the theocracy, new "founding fathers' intentions" type of opinions will flood us, allowing the states to create all sorts of barriers, hurdles, obstacles and requirements we haven't even imagined.

this is much, much bigger than Roe.

[AndyTiedye]

13. Such Complacency Must be Very Comforting

Abortion has been effectively used by the RW as a wedge issue to get votes for too long to change now. I don't think Roe v. Wade will be overturned for that reason, just like Osama bin Laden won't be caught and there will not be a federal Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (by defining marriage as being between a man and a woman). It's much easier to scare the masses into voting for you if you already have a boogeyman in place.

They can always come up with more bogeymen.

If we let them win on Roe, they'll be pushing abortion bans in Congress and in every state. By the above logic, we should let that pass too. Then they'll overturn Griswold and start banning birth control.

If we let them win on gay marriage, next they'll overturn Lawrence and start sending gays to prison again.

We cannot rely on moderate Republicans to stop them because there aren't any.

[racaulk]

19. I don't think I'm being complacent at all.

I'm not suggesting that the issues above are unimportant or not worth fighting for. I only question the true motives of those on the right that press these issues.

For example, take the gay marriage issue again. Bush, Rove, and their fundie henchmen repeatedly used this issue last year to paint Kerry, and by association all Democrats, as being in favor of gay marriage (which is untrue). Bush promised that passing a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage would be a high priority in his second term. As a result, RW fundies turned out in droves to the polls, to the tune of an extra four million voters if you believe Karl Rove.

It's been almost a year to the day since Bush was "reelected." Since that time, how much have you heard from his administration about gay marriage? I, for one, haven't heard anything, and why should I have? Republicans used this issue fantastically to win elections last year. And they will again in 2006. And in 2008. And in 2010. As so forth into perpetuity until the time comes when Americans are generally less homophobic. And you're right, at the time they will find another bogeyman to replace homophobia to scare voters, but why should they until they have to?

Should we fight a gay marriage amendment? Absolutely. Should we fight so that Roe v. Wade is not overturned? Absolutely. Do fundie voters who put Republicans in office place high priority on these issues and want the opposite result that we do? Absolutely.

Do Republicans in office want to see these issues reach a final resolution, thereby losing the ability to pander to peoples fear and bigotry (on these issues, at least) to get votes and maintain their power? I seriously doubt it. If Republicans have taught me anything, it's that they will keep using whatever dirty tricks work over and over again and will only change unless they absolutely have to.

It could be that I am just totally naive and wrong here, but I fail to understand how any of this makes me "complacent."

As for your comment on moderate Republicans, I totally agree with you. That's why I hope our Senators fight Alito's nomination tooth and nail, and if the Republicans want to exercise the "nuclear option", then the Democrats need to shut the Senate down. This is a fight that we simply cannot afford to lose.

And I apologize in advance for the rant. Thanks for listening. I have my tinfoil hat on. :tinfoilhat:

[China_cat]

9. It'll be overturned

then the new witches will be

1) birth control
2) civil rights
3) enfranchisement for women and minorities

They are working toward a slave society a lot like Rome when it fell. Only the very rich and the very poor. No middle class at all and the only way for the very poor to survive is to sell themselves or a family member into slavery.

[triguy46]

12. I think you're right on target

roe will be gone in 12 months. We need to set up a poll: Which state will be the first to get to the SCOTUS with an opportunity to can Roe?

We have yet to see fully played out the "pharmacist moral decision to control your life bill of rights acts" that states are quickly enacting to empower these dorks to refuse birth control based on whim.

Civil rights? who needs em? Instead, try on more tax cuts for the wealthy!

Women? you mean feminazis? Time to rescind their right to vote. Oh yes, 35 years of the the Roberts/scalia/scalito/thomas court will be just peachy.

[underpants]

11. They don't want to get rid of it at all

think of all the money that goes away

think of all the "party of God" that is sets up

think of all the people who have NO reason to side with the Republicans but no COMPLETELY based on this one issue

think of all the people who wouldn't be anywhere near politics without this issue and who do they side with?

think of all the money going into the RNC, specific campaigns, special interests

think of all the foot soldiers it creates.

Would you want to give all that up?

[gizmo1979]

15. Bingo

give the man a prize.Thugs need all their wedge issues to win.Abortion guns gay marriage.With no wedge issues they are just the greedy bastard party.

[MooPie]

4. It's all about power.

The majority of anti-abortionists don't care about children. They don't even care about the fetus. They only want to control women. For the most part, they are anti-women, as they would subordinate a woman to a fetus. That's a pretty good indicator of their opinion of a woman's status Their "pro-life" moniker is the usual Orwellian misspeak in order to camouflage their real motive, that of controlling women and forcing them to be slaves to their reproductive system.
Research clearly demonstrates that those states with the most restrictive abortions laws also have the worst pre & post-natal care.

[triguy46]

7. that's for damn sure. nt

[indepat]

6. Because Repugs are pious, sanctimonious, and reichous hypocrites?

[ClintonTyree]

8. They're not fun when they're in the womb..........

the Repiglickens want to make sure the kids are all born healthy so they can torture them afterward. They get such a thrill from starving them, keeping them ignorant, homeless and denying them health-care. It really lights up a Repiglicken's day when they can torment an entire class of human being, it makes them feel so god-like.
THAT is why there mustn't be abortions under ANY circumstances! It ruins their fun!

[froshty1960]

10. and....

when they get bored with torturing them, they can convict them of a capital crime and impose the death penalty.

[Adams Wulff]

16. Because to them, life begins at conception, and ends at birth. n/t

[realFedUp]

17. I have to think Mrs. Alito is on birth control

2 children near in age and no more. Someone's
taking birth control or they aren't having sex.