OMG: Evolution and Hitler

[cynatnite]

I was channel surfing and I thought I landed on the movie 'Inherit the Wind'. Well, I thought I did. I settled in to watch the rest of it, then some blonde breaks into it and talks about the 'truth'.

Then it goes next with Hilter in the background and talks about 'the big lie' to the masses. :puke:

So now they're looking to debunk evolution. We've been scammed, lied to and duped. :eyes: Evolution is junk science.

The bible is the truth...blah, blah, blah. It can be proven 100% accurate.

[cynatnite]

1. Should I keep watching?

:rofl:

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. Yes. Clearly it is making you laugh! Also, the underlying movie is good

:)

[The Magistrate]

2. For The Record, Ma'am

Hitler was no believer in evolution, or at least the descent of man through that process. He did indeed see the world in a lens taking something from "Social Darwinism", but that is really a misnomer rather than a term, being only the nineteenth century garb of an idea that was old when Rome was young....

[cynatnite]

4. A guy is offering $250,000 for proof of evolution...

A Dr. Hovind will give up the money to anyone who provides empirical evidence.

[Hardrada]

5. I'll shell out a bunch

if they introduce me to God.

[greyl]

7. What will he accept as proof?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=247x3277

[cynatnite]

8. Found this site:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind.html

[greyl]

9. That was quick. :)

Reading the link, I gather that Kent Hovind is a dickhead. (As is Hugh Ross)

What Is Wrong With the "Offer"?

By every appearance of that opening, all that needs be done is to present some empirical scientific evidence for evolution and collect $250,000. But note the asterisk! It leads to the following footnote:

* NOTE: When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God:
1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.
2. Planets and stars formed from space dust.
3. Matter created life by itself.
4. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.
5. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).

That sound you hear is the scraping of goal posts being moved. It is true that, in its broadest possible sense, "evolution" can simply mean "change" and has been applied to such non-biological processes as star and planetary formation. Even cultural phenomena such as the metamorphosis of language and the development of political systems have been referred to in "evolutionary" terms. <8> Yet, in the United States today, in light of at least three-quarters of a century of conflict over the issue, "evolution" is almost universally understood, even among Hovind's own flock, it would be fair to say, to refer to "biological evolution" (perhaps, among creationists, with abiogenesis <9> thrown in).

However, Hovind is not simply using the term loosely but, instead, is trying to fashion an entirely new and idiosyncratic definition that links vastly dissimilar processes under a single rubric. He then insists, as will be seen, that unless all can be demonstrated equally and in the same way, then none of them can be. It is rather like demanding that a political scientist defend the values of the People's Democratic Republic of (North) Korea or admit that all "democratic republics" are unworkable tyrannies. Just because many things can go under the umbrella of one broad term does not make everything under the umbrella part and parcel of one unitary idea or process.

www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind.html

edit: mp3 of Richard Dawkins talking about evolution on AAR with Al Franken.

[Viking12]

15. He's a total dickhead.

He even operates a creationist "museum", Dinosaur AdventureLand. Apparently the Flintstones is a documentary not a fictional cartoon.

http://www.dinosauradventureland.com/

[Az]

10. Its a trick

First off there is no proof for anything in science. Proof is for math. Evidence and theories are for science.

Second you have to provide enough evidence to convince Mr Hovind. And he ain't listening. There is no way to win the challenge as he phrased it.

[ComerPerro]

17. Exactly. He won't ever have to pay out, because nothing will be "proof"

And, besides, he has a lot of audacity considering that his entire belief system reminds people that their only "evidence" is faith...

[ingac70]

11. He wants proof of evolution??

He needs to go hang out with some fowl in Asia for a bit. Then he'll see evolution in action.

[LostInAnomie]

6. So they were trying to link belief in evolution with Hitler?

That's ridiculous.

[ingac70]

12. I was watching a religious channel a couple of weeks ago....

And they went on and on about "Darwinism" and Hitler. They even claimed Darwin's theory of natural selection was the basis of eugenics!

[LostInAnomie]

13. And Christianity was the basis for the eradication of...

... innumerable cultures in South and North America.

I guess that genocide doesn't count though.

[Kber]

14. Hitler believed in un-natural selection

[Liberal In Texas]

16. Wonder what that good "Christian" woman thinks about this pic: