"The aspens are turning...." Give me your best theories.

[funflower]

:popcorn:

[yellowcanine]

1. Things are getting hot so we have all resorted to "Story B", Stay with

the program as we are all in this together. Otherwise known as the "modified limited hang out" story, to borrow a Watergate phrase.

[funflower]

3. I agree. Hope Fitz sees through that little trick.

Anybody would be weirded out by that letter!

[endarkenment]

2. Hotel Rwanda

"Cut down the tall trees" - the code words for the start of the tutsi massacre.

Sorry but the whole Libby message thing gives me the chills and creeps.

[funflower]

4. OH my God! That's horrible! It does sound similar, doesn't it?

If I hear Rush Limbaugh start talking about aspens out west, I'm going to Canada.

[Duer 157099]

5. here's the best clue:

Bashing Bush in Aspen

Sep 22, 2005
by Robert Novak

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/column/robertnovak/2005/09/22/155676.html

edit to correct link

[endarkenment]

6. Can't read novak makes me physically ill,

Summary?

[Duer 157099]

10. Summary: the Aspens are turning

Here's the last line:

"It would be a shame if Rove returned to Washington without informing George W. Bush how erstwhile friends have turned against him."

edited TWICE for spelling

[funflower]

8. So who exactly are the aspens?

The ultra-rich former * supporters?

[Duer 157099]

11. Novak calls them "erstwhile friends" n/t

[Hapameli]

12. They're turning against him... I thought so earlier today and that article

confirms what I was thinking. The aspens are turning... Novak sang, Libby sings, Judy, save yourself!

From that Novak articke:

"U.S. News & World Report disclosed this week, with apparent disdain, that presidential adviser Karl Rove took time off from the Katrina relief effort to be at Aspen. He was needed as a counterweight. I settled in for serious fireworks, expecting Bush-bashers to assault his alter ego at the conference's final session. However, direct confrontation with a senior aide must have been more difficult than a remote attack on the president. It would be a shame if Rove returned to Washington without informing George W. Bush how erstwhile friends have turned against him."

Indictment party time!

[Duer 157099]

16. I think the Novak article was written prior to Scooter's note

but I'm not certain. Anyone verify?

[Contrary1]

21. I see Novak is unbiased, as usual...

"... I do not see myself as a defender of the Bush presidency, and I am sure the White House does not regard me as such."

:crazy:

[belle]

34. They probably don't. They're ungrateful fucks. doesn't mean he's not a ho,

though.

[WhiteTara]

27. wow the guy is such a whack job

but at least I found out that KKKarl was in Aspen during the hurricane. Now it is time for my shower to remove the slime that touched me during the reading of his words.

[EVDebs]

7. Operation Mockingbird is hunkering down. The media will protect its own

Operation Mockingbird
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmockingbird.htm

has been going on for soooo long they MSM doesn't dare expose its dirty laundry. That said, will Fitz dare to expose an illegal ongoing government/CIA domestic project ?

Scooter and Judy are betting 'no'.

[kanrok]

9. I think it has something to do with Scooter's bowel movements

"The aspens are turning" clearly is code for: "holy shit, I can't keep my mud in...I'm going to freaking prison...I can't handle prison, fer crissake, my name is SCOOTER!!!"

[unrepuke]

14. Ya know the scene ih "Shawshank" where the cons are betting

on which fish aren't gonna make it . . .

Scooter could turn to Cooter the first night. :7

[kanrok]

15. Scooter should change his nick name before going to the big house

It ain't gonna help him there.

[EC]

13. That everyone is turning state's evidence...

that is connected to the root problem (the investigation)

[frogmarch]

17. Libby was wrong about

aspens turning in clusters. Aspens do grow in clusters, and the individual trees (which are clones) in each cluster have identical DNA and are connected at the roots, but the clones change color according to temperature, sunlight and precipitiation. An aspen cluster is on record that includes 47,000 aspen trees and covers 17 acres, so the trees rarely all turn at once.

That aside, I agree with those who Libby was making a reference to the article by Novak dotcosm posted a link to.

In his letter to Miller, Libby expressed his desire for her to continue with her pro-war articles, so maybe Libby thought the Bush bashers at the Aspen meeting were coming around and starting to show support for Bush again.

According to Miller, Fitzgerald asked her to interpret the aspens bit in Libby's letter. Miller gave some vague answer, saying she had bumped into Libby at a Jackson Hole rodeo two years ago when she was attending a meeting in the area. I wonder if Fitzgerald just said OK, whatever, and let it go at that.

[funflower]

18. Is Libby losing it?

(snip)

According to Miller, Fitzgerald asked her to interpret the aspens bit in Libby's letter. Miller gave some vague answer, saying she had bumped into Libby at a Jackson Hole rodeo two years ago when she was attending a meeting in the area. I wonder if Fitzgerald just said OK, whatever, and let it go at that.

(snip)

If that's what Libby meant, he's cracking up more than I would have expected.

[1932]

19. Enough other people are cutting deals and giving evidence against

the adminstration so that Miller's witholding testimony isn't going to save Libby's ass anyway. He's telling her to give up the fight because it isn't going to be enough to keep him out of jail.

[Neil Lisst]

20. connected at the roots ...

I'll have to tell my version in cartoon form, over the next few days.

Here's the first installment in discussing the Miller-Libby nexus.

[funflower]

24. Very impressive! Are you a professional cartoonist?

[Wordie]

22. Turning=someone in the case had turned. So no point to staying in jail.

...and Scooter must have gotten wind of it somehow, so he let Miller know with that weird language.

and the aspen clusters, connected at the roots, all turning color at the same time, references how it is a conspiracy, so if one goes down, they all do.

[WCGreen]

23. I think it means his hair down there is turning gray....

[democracyindanger]

25. Got your tinfoil ready?

Ericksonian hypnosis, where a story is told during the first hypnotic session, and becomes a trigger to induce hypnosis at later dates.

Hey, you wanted a theory...

[funflower]

26. Kind of like in "The Manchurian Candidate"....

Damned scary.

[banana republican]

28. the roots are deep and many a mile to keep before the summer shines...

[NAO]

29. Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare...Decipher the Cryptogram

A few excerpts from a very unusual book, Michael A. Hoffman's "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare" may suggest some lines of thought to be used in de-cyphering the ASPEN cryptogram:

Excerpts from "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare"

"But we confess and witness openly...that it shall first happen that the stones shall rise and offer their service..." Rosicrucian manifesto, Confessio fraternitatis (1615)

"The occult Cryptocracy processes the Group Mind of the masses mainly through psychodrama. The alchemical and Rosicrucian command dogmas were literary works. In the course of receiving the establishment's reports and accounts of (the news), a mental virus is implanted in many percipients. The hypodermic needle in this case is nothing more startling than a campfire story, only the campfire is the crackling electrical current of a television and the story is of our extinction."

...

"Almost all people of all eras are hypnotics. Their beliefs are induced beliefs. The proper authorities saw to it that the proper belief should be induced, and people believed properly." Charles Fort

...

"Who then is the modern man? He is a mindbombed patsy who gets his marching orders from "twilight language" key words sprinkled throughout "his" news and current events. Even as he dances to the tune of the elite managers of human behavior, he scoffs with great derision at the idea of the existence and operation of a technology of mass mind control emanating from the media and government. Modern man is much too smart to believe anything as superstitious as that!

Modern man is the ideal hypnotic subject: puffed up on the idea that he is the crown of creation, he vehemently denies the power of the hypnotist's control over him, even as his head bobs up and down on a string."

...

"...in the brilliant word-play of the (mythical) Masonic (figure) Dr. Syntax we come to the current unfoldment in "Must Be," an alchemical (cant language code) term Mr. (James Shelby) Downard translates as "the Revelation of the Method." This alludes to the process wherein murderous deeds and hair-raising conspiracies involving wars, revolutions, decapitations, secret archaeo-astronomic deity cult-worship, and every manner of horror show are first buried beneath a cloak of secrecy...and then, when finally accomplished and secured, slowly revealed to the unsuspecting populace who watch...deep-frozen...as the hidden history is unveiled...In the circulation of...(antiAcademy) manuscripts...the revelation of the method is accomplished. Truth or consequences...Downard ... is acutely aware that in exposing the conspirators he is probably serving the final dictum (in their alchemical formula)..."

...

Exposure without action against the perpetrators of the crimes revealed, devolves into a kind of perverse advertisement for the prowess of the cryptocrats, who are seen as having performed fantastic feats of criminal enterprise with a genius that renders them immune from the consequences.
The entire process as a whole smacks of that familiar occult control device of grotesque mockery of the principle touted, in this case of the notion of exposure leading to punishment and retribution.

...

One can observe a process of cryogenic, episodic revelation repeated time and again in the notorious "lone nut" assassin series (in masonry it is known as the "Three Unworthy Craftsmen"): the assassination of JFK by "lone nut" Lee Harvey Oswald; the assassination of Martin Luther King by "lone nut" James Earl Ray and the assassination of Robert Kennedy by "lone nut" Sirhan Sirhan. In each case, at the time of the murders, both the media and police officials conspired to present a united and seemingly infallible solution to these crimes centering on allegedly iron-clad and irrefutable "low temperature" evidence that Oswald, Ray or Sirhan were the sole perpetrators of these electrifying crimes which galvanized a nation.
Then, in accordance with the clockwork, script, 5, 10 or 15 years later, after the trail is hopelessly cold and highly obscured, a spate of tightly documented and well-researched books and films emerge which heat us up, turning our heads 180 degrees in the opposite direction: now we are passionaely afire with indignation as we are shown a mass of evidence proving that the cops and the media had to be either idiots or co-conspirators to have ever believed that these spectacular hits were one man operations. We learn that Oswald was a scapegoat, Ray a patsy andSirhan an OTO cultist. And we learn of their accomplices.

If you carefully study this scenario what you'll discover is astonishing. You'll find that the after-the-fact revelations are as much a part of the assassination plot as the murder and its initial cover-up. It's a deliberate psychological process they're taking us through, a psychodrama of enormous scale, though not really different from the principle behind the anonymous circulation of the Rosicrucian manifestos of the 17th century, with their mocking hints of identity.

The following is a statement which comes from within the British-intelligence wing of the Cryptocracy:
"This demonstrates one of our simpler methods. Realizing that our activities will sooner or later come to light, we structure ouractivities so that as conspiracy researchers unravel them, they will release information into the public consciousness in such a way that it mirrors our initiatory procedure. In this way, the more we are investigated, the more masses of people are psychologically processed by the very people who seek to expose us. The meme that constiutes our essential structure is then successfully mimicked within the consciousness of those who investigate us. Success can then be measured precisely to the extent that our work is "exposed."

[NAO]

33. Scooter's Letter is a Cryptogram - composed of Twilight Language

and a prime example of what Hoffman is talking about in the above quotes.

Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2178915&mesg_id=2179983

[orleans]

30. this has to do with the Aspen Institute in Colorado

check out this link

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/16/1490/0499

[Cocoa]

31. photo of an Aspen turning

[Cooley Hurd]

32. *Snarf!*

:D

[NAO]

35. Love those tricked out wheels

[many a good man]

36. "Connected at the roots"

TPTB have finally decided to root out the NeoCon cabal, a relatively small number of men who are spread throughout the National Security infrastructure and who have hijacked our govt policy apparatus. Libby's epistle to Judas Miller simple informed her that now it's every man for himself.

Last year everyone here was waiting for the CIA to retaliate. I feel they must have teamed up with hidden power centers in this country to expel the bush-cheny junta. Fitz is their tool. They are out to crush the NeoCons.

[bbgrunt]

43. TPTB--have decided that it's time to jettison

the hapless cabal now in operation and install a newer one. This group has to sacrifice itself for the "good" of the ultimate goal.

[Hidden Stillness]

37. The Aspen Conference Group Will All Turn On You Now, Judy

Possibly it meant, Libby to Miller, who had just returned from a neo-con conference in Aspen, Colorado, as I heard it: beware if you decide to tell, or the people at Aspen, "where you vacation"--where you just were--will turn on you, and they will attack you as a group, ("they turn in clusters"), because they are still united as a cult, whether you still are or not. I took it as a threat.

[Rene]

38. There's a coded message in that letter. I'd think folks here

at DU would take up the challenge of figuring out what it really means.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

41. i've figured it out

when you play the note backwards it says "skittles, a rainbow of fruit flavour."

[TexasLawyer]

39. They ARE connected and they DO turn together because they are clones

Species profile: Aspen

( Populus tremula )

Characterised by its shimmering foliage in summer, the aspen tree is a beautiful but rare feature of the Caledonian Forest.



http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/tfl.aspen.html

<snip>

The aspen's main method of reproduction is vegetative, with new suckers, or ramets, growing off the roots of mature trees. The numbers of new shoots produced in this way can be very prolific, especially after a major disturbance such as fire, with the density of ramets reaching 70,000 per hectare. Aspen has an extensive root system, and ramets have been recorded growing up to 40 metres from a parent tree. Because of their access to nutrients through the parent tree's root system, aspen ramets can grow very quickly - up to a metre per year for the first few years.

As the ramets grow, they remain joined through their roots, and all the interconnected trees are called a clone. They are all the same individual organism and are therefore all single-sexed, either male or female. Each clone exhibits synchronous behaviour, with, for example, all the component trees coming into leaf at the same time in the spring. A clone can also sometimes be identified by the specific colour its leaves change to in the autumn.

Aspen roots also have the unusual ability of staying alive underground for many years after the death of the parent tree. This leads to the appearance of aspen ramets in areas where there are no mature trees, and there is a good example of this at a site on the north shore of Loch Beinn a'Mheadhion (L. Benevean) in Glen Affric.

<snip>

[libodem]

40. someone is about to be thrown under the bus

I hope it's Rove and that he gets more than a hand-slap. Those a-holes are all in this together, just like with the torture policy coming from the top....some sacrificial lamb will be offered up and the rest of the co-conspirators will be thumbing their noses at us....I'd like to see them all go down....they are all bad seeds...evil anti-christ subhumans.

[Carolab]

42. Connected at the ROOTS--anyone ever think of ethnicity?

I know it's long, but it's good...


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10725.htm

Judith Miller's Dirty Little Secret

{snip}

The role of the media in Iraq is an entirely different story from Vietnam. We’ve gone from Walter Cronkite giving a straight account of “the way it is” to Field Marshal Judith Miller insisting “I was fucking right.” We might have avoided this quagmire had it not been for Miller’s active participation in this well-orchestrated campaign of mass deception. But Miller is hardly entitled to take full credit for beating the war drums. At CNN, Wolf Blitzer converted his whole program into a ‘War Room’ and gave the red carpet treatment to an endless parade of neo-conservative chicken hawks. Having spent a decade working for the Jerusalem Post, it’s highly doubtful that Blitzer was unaware that his guests had long resumes of promoting Israeli agendas.

If the average American had blinders on about Iraq, there is no mistaking the hands that pulled down the shades on the WMD hoax and the subsequent ‘intelligence failure’ scam. Blitzer, Miller, Krauthammer, Friedman and Safire certainly knew the ideological origins of Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith. It is common knowledge that operatives with well-established Israeli connections are very prominent in neo-con think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute. Blitzer and his fellow travelers routinely promoted these war lobbyists as ‘WMD scholars’, ‘experts on terrorism’ and ‘resident military strategists’ who had an exclusive inside track on the history, politics and culture of the Middle East. These oracles also claimed a unique ability to forecast future events in Iraq. Which begged the question: if the invasion of Iraq was going to be nothing more than a ‘cake walk’ – why was Saddam considered such an immediate threat?

{snip}

In Washington, they all know Judith Miller’s dirty little secret. Miller is a senior neo-con propagandist. If she goes down, she won’t go down alone. She will take the paper of record and Sulzberger with her. Her intimate relationships with Ahmed Chalabi, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, AIPAC, and the American Enterprise Institute are all part of the public record. Miller coordinated her work with the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon, an outfit set up by Wolfowitz and Feith and tasked with fixing intelligence to make a case for war. Judith Miller is pleading the fifth to avoid confessing to the prominent role she played in launching weapons of mass deception at the American people.

The neo-con cabal and the Israeli lobby are an instrumental force in framing the foreign policy of the United States towards the Middle East. Other political forces had considerable influence in charting the path to war – including the equally formidable Saudi lobby and the usual suspects in the military industrial complex. But only the neo-cons had access to the media muscle necessary for implementing a massive propaganda campaign to sell the war. Judith Miller was by far the most lethal weapon in the war party’s media arsenal – if only because she wrote for The New York Times.

{snip}

*************

AND what of the Larry Franklin-AIPAC scandal?

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/10/136703.php

Judith Miller, Larry Franklin, Office of Special Plans, PNAC & WMDs
by roto rooter Tuesday, Oct. 04, 2005 at 10:49 PM


'Judith Miller & Larry Franklin, sitting in a tree...'

Judith Miller, Larry Franklin, Office of Special Plans, PNAC & WMDs

by roto rooter

Miller may have "voluntarily" sprung herself to pre-empt testimony given by Israel spy Larry Franklin which was to be given following his guilty plea the same day . . .

**********

And who are the "Aspens"?

CHECK OUT THE MEMBERS OF THE STRATEGY GROUP:

http://www.aspeninstitute.org/site/c.huLWJeMRKpH/b.612047/k.1222/Aspen_Strategy_Group.htm

Group Chairmen

Joesph S. Nye, Jr.
Brent Scowcroft

Director
Kurt M. Campbell

Emeritus Members

Richard L. Armitage
Judith H. Bello
Richard B. Cheney
Stephen Friedman
David Gergen
Albert Gore, Jr.
Jim Hoagland
Kay Bailey Hutchison
David C. Jones
Jan Lodal
Jessica Mathews
Judith Miller
William Owens
Condoleezza Rice
Alice Rivlin
Walter Slocombe
John W. Warner
William Webster
Paul Wolfowitz
R. James Woolsey
Philip Zelikow
Robert B. Zoellick

Group Members

Madeleine Albright
Michael Armacost
Richard L. Armitage
Zoë Baird
Stephen Biegun
Lael Brainard
Samuel Brownback
Ashton B. Carter
Eliot A. Cohen
Richard N. Cooper
Kenneth W. Dam
Richard Danzig
John M. Deutch
Thomas E. Donilon
Richard A. Falkenrath
Dianne Feinstein
Michèle A. Flournoy
Robert M. Gates
Richard Haass
Chuck Hagel
Margaret Hamburg
Jane Harman
Robert Kagan
Arnold Kanter
Nicholas D. Kristof
David Lipton
Richard G. Lugar
Jane Holl Lute
Sylvia Mathews
Janne Nolan
Sam Nunn
Thomas O'Gara
William J. Perry
Jack Reed
Susan Rice
Dennis Ross
David Sanger
Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall
James B. Steinberg
Marin Strmecki
Strobe Talbott
Christopher Williams
Fareed Zakaria

(P.S. I don't know what to make of Al Gore on this list)

***********

DKos has more:

http://christian-dem-in-nc.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/17/101317/07

General MacArthur had a dictum: "When in doubt, attack." I think the Aspens are following that dictum today. While we analyse, they will change our reality. Despite Plamegate and pending indictments and plunging popularity, the Aspens are turning - toward Iran. They are setting the stage to seize the Ahwazi region as a "security zone" - and control at a stroke nearly a fifth of global oil reserves.

I pity the Ahwazi region. The Iranian regime may be bad, as Saddam was bad, but the people have homes, schools, jobs, electricity, healthcare, clean water, sewers, food, the rule of law, and relative security. The dominion of the coalition troops and Ahmad Chalabi is guaranteed to be much, much worse in every respect.

[LittleClarkie]

44. Ed Schultz keeps repeating that he thinks

Scooter and Judith are "doin' it" if you know what I mean.

Personally I think it was a warning. If we go down, so do you.

But then again, it could have been that Scooter got Miller on his side by prostituting himself. You never know.