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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:04 PM
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Why is Liberman doing better than Kucinich?
I don't get it.

Liberman: 9%
Kucinich: 2%

If Kucinich can't beat Lieberman in NH, he sure as heck won't be able to beat Bush in the general election.
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:05 PM
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1. Red state
n/t
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:06 PM
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3. Then how do you expalin Kerry?
eom
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 06:55 AM
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27. Actually more blue than red if you go lib vs con
The green + Dem vote in 2000 would have been enough to turn it blue.

It is more purple than anything else.

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MMT Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 05:20 AM
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26. Yes. It's a red state and not representative of the US as a whole.
Edited on Wed Jan-28-04 05:22 AM by MMT
There's a reason why the Libertarians think they can move there and create a "homeland", and it's not because the state is liberal.

Kerry won because he's been wearing the DLC armband all year.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:05 PM
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2. people are too petrified to listen to Kucinich
that's why
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:06 PM
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4. I doubt that anybody even really knows who DK is
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Virgil Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:07 PM
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5. It is a good-bye gift.. n/t
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Valjean Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:09 PM
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6. Lieberman has a built in constituency

Jewish folk vote for Lieberman because ... well because he's Jewish.

Sorry, but I've seen lots of postings right her that say as much. The other Jewish folk I know voted for Gore/Lieberman last time around because ... Lieberman is Jewish.

Thats not to say that Lieberman has nothing else to offer. Just like Christians ALMOST ALWAYS vote for Christians. It seems like Jewish folk have a soft spot for a Jewish presidential candidate.

BTW, there is ZERO chance that Lieberman will be a Veep candidate this time around.

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Goldom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:15 PM
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7. what a lie...
"Jewish folk vote for Lieberman because ... well because he's Jewish."

Excuse me? I guess I must have forgotten I was Jewish when I put Lieberman -LAST- on my list of choices, just barely above Bush. x(
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:51 PM
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 10:03 PM
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16. im jewish
and i dont support lieberman, nor do any of my family or many of our friends.

we dont agree with his politics, and like most people who vote that is how we decide who to support.

peace
david
:hippie:
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:01 AM
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19. Jew here
I'm "Jewish folk" and I wouldn't vote for Lieberman unless forced to. I voted for Gore IN SPITE of Lieberman. Do "black folk" all automatically vote for Alan Keyes?

Next time, try to know what it is that you're talking about before you say something. That's free advice, from a Jew, and you know how we don't like to give anything away for free!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:07 AM
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23. you know how we don't like to give anything away for free!
Rofl

I cant believe you just said that.

But it was funny as hell just the same.

Married to a fine Jewish lady BTW who definately despises Joe.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:19 PM
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8. You're right, Kucinich can't beat Bush
but I don't think him winning the nomination is something we'll have to worry about.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:46 PM
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9. The news media doesn't like Dennis. A lot of people don't like Dean.
If they knew about Dennis, they'd vote for him because he's honest.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:50 PM
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10. Liebermann is from Connecticut, NH is his backyard
so naturally his name recognition is going to be higher. That and I'm fairly certain he was the VP on the Dem ticket in 2000, IIRC

:eyes:
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:51 PM
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12. You can't be surprised by this?
This outcome has been set in stone for months.
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:53 PM
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13. people are cowards
most of the people who like Kucinich best are afraid to vote for him. They're scared he can't be elected so they find someone more pleasing to the media. Even if you think this, you should still vote for Kucinich. He's not going to win the nomination, but damn at least show your support. If no one votes for him, his ideas will be thrown aside and won't be paid attention to. Its sending the message that people don't care about what Kucinich does.
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Edge Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:55 PM
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14. Why are people voting for Lieberman at all?
That's the real question...
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 09:56 PM
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15. Because there are more moderates than socialists?
NT
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:59 AM
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18. because there are more sheep than shepards?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 12:54 AM
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17. Don't know, but there are two possibilities
1) Republican crossover

2) Lieberman has name recognition and has received more press coverage than Kucinich
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 01:34 AM
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20. The media covers Lieberman. The media ignores Kucinich.
nm
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 03:48 AM
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25. That covers about 95% of it right there..
Because if people were exposed to Kucinich's policies and ideals they would vote for him. Because Kucinich wants what people want. Jobs, Education, Healthcare for all, less soldiers dying.

Of course there would still be people supporting centrists, but if DK had even a small part of the coverage that the corporatists get, he would be doing a heck of a lot better.

TWL
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:03 AM
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21. Kucinich...
is too far out of the "mainstream" (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Lieberman has:

- Name Recognition from 2000
- Sympathy from being part of the denied winning party
- Republican crossovers
- Hawkish Independents
- Hawkish Democrats
- Moderate Independents

- Kucinich has raised less money than Lieberman and has therefore been able to campaign less there. That means less people know about him.

-Kucinich would be tagged as a socialist and would therefore probably lose 40 something states. Hell, they'll tag John Kerry as a socialist.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:05 AM
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22. Best question all night
Unfortunately I havent got a clue.
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ermoore Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 02:33 AM
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24. Electibility.
(don't know if that's a word or not . . .)

Simple, because whether or not you like Leiberman or his opinions the fact is he'd stand a pretty good chance against Bush in an election (I think he has the best chance of all those now running), while Kucinich, on the other hand, would have more than a hard time running against Dan Quayle. Electibility.
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