7 months later, BUSH and KERRY would tie

[liberalpragmatist]

Kerry, Bush Would Now Tie in Election

Vote Again for Bush
45

Vote Again for Kerry
43

Vote Again for Third Party
3

Switch to Kerry Vote
2

Switch to Bush Vote
0

Switch to Third Party Vote
2

Would Not Vote
2


The most significant development in the poll may be that Americans now say they would vote for Senator Kerry and President Bush in equal numbers if last November’s election were re-held. The new poll finds 45% say they would vote for Bush and 45% say they would now vote for his vanquished 2004 opponent. Although before rounding Bush holds a very slight lead, the two are, for the first time since the November election, back into a statistical dead heat.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1005

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Okay, so NOW some Bush-voters are having second thoughts? Couldn't have listened to everybody else before the election? Yes, I'm talking about friends of mine who would seem to understand me when I explained to them how Bush was hurting America - people who even felt the war in Iraq was being done poorly - but then said "but Bush is strong on terrorism!"

:banghead:

Okay, so I'm personally someone who thinks that even with the shenanigans in Ohio, based on the numbers, I really do think that Bush narrowly won. Unfortunately. I'm not interested in getting into a debate on this right now b/c it's totally tangental to my point - even if he only won by fraud, certainly we could have used every vote we could get. NOW's a great time for those people to change their minds. :eyes:

Even more frustrating is the fact that 45% of the country STILL would vote for this man?!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Here's the link:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1005

Also in this poll is info on prospective McCain-Hillary and McCain-Kerry matchups. Not looking too good, either one. BOth by 20 points. We just have to hope that McCain won't get the nomination. If he does, our best candidates against him would be either Clark or Edwards methinks (in another poll, Edwards was the only one who was competitive with McCain) and we'd better hope that he makes that Jeb-bargain that's been speculated. We could make an effective anti-dynasty campaign in that case and tie McCain to Bush, who by that point will hopefully be quite hated - also run an antiwar campaign at that point, that will contrast with McCain's pro-war inclination.

[napi21]

1. I heard that yesterday. To me that means Kerry is the wrong

candidate! I don't know why, and at this point I don't care. I think this certainly shows there's now buyers, even though the polls also show they don't like Shrub!!!!

[DanCa]

2. Zogby exit polls showed kerry winning no?

There is no longer any polling firm i trust.

[high density]

5. I don't think Zogby did any "exit" polling

Though he did call it for Kerry with 311 electoral votes through telephone polling.

I think the endless and unchallenged right-wing slams on Kerry in August 2004 left a branding on him that's not going to be removed very easily.

[DanCa]

10. I agree with you about the branding

It's a damn shame that they tarnished a real war hero with he said she said crapoloa because that was the only why they could make chimpola look halfway decent in thier eyes. Shame that people cant think for themselves and concentrate on the issues not the hype.

[Imagevision]

3. This message brough to you by the folks who refused to cover

Ohio vote recount. -- ABC-NBC-CBS-CNN -- they no longer are valid media reporting agency's. ---> DSM anyone?

[Nite Owl]

4. Strange poll

or rather strange the way that people think. His ratings on everything are so dismal and yet 45% would vote for him? The dems need to provide and promote a plan, we aren't providing a viable alternative.

[RagAss]

6. There won't be...

"A Jeb Bargain" available for McCain to make. By early next year the Rep attack dog, Mr. Rove, will mount a covert strategy to savage the reputation of McCain, leaving the door wide open for Jeb and Jeb alone....this is in the "cards" and the way the Dynasty will continue....mix in Diebold and it's Jeb in 2008 by 5 percent of the vote over Hillary.....I hate to sound glib but it's getting so easy to see this stuff develop....

[autorank]

7. Interesting Poll. Since Kerry has dropped off the radar, I'm surprised

he is even with *. People know what happened. The Democrats got "rolled" again and they know that the Democrats didn't even put up a fight. Edwards signaled that they were ready and a few hours later, it was all over. The country is sick of Democratic bull shit and weakness. It's sick of an opposition party that doesn't oppose election fraud and theft.

Did you know that the NAACP won a consent decree from the State of Florida whereby the state admitted disenfranchising over 50,000, count 'em, 50,000 black Floridians. You think Gore might have carried those voters by more than a 600 vote margin.

Did we fight for Florida? NO.

At the start of the whole Florida mess, I heard Alan Dershowitz say that the Democrats were fools for not pursuing the Civil Rights-Voting Rights case against the Republicans because it was so compelling.

Our party are a bunch of weak sisters, wimps, zeros at standing up and demanding fair elections. The American people see this.

That's why I say...

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Contact the DNC and Tell Them to PREVENT Election Fraud

[snowbear]

8. Polls mean zip right now.. But Kerry will NEVER be the nominee again..

..regardless of what any Zogby "would've, could've, should've" polls say.

As much as Kerry would have excelled as compared to the loser we're all (im)patiently waiting out... The next time around, our party will put forth a candidate who doesn't gain momentum only after Iowa happens to put the wind in his sails.

The "Hillary - McCain" match-ups that we'll be seeing for the next year in the media is a crack up. But what can you do? :rofl:

I can see why Hillary is holding out making her announcement that she WILL dedicate a full 6 years to the U.S. Senate if re-elected.

It makes better political sense to pull out that promise RIGHT BEFORE the senate election heats up. ;)

[wisteria]

15. I disagree with you on Kerry's chances. He stills has much support. n/t

[SnoopDog]

9. With our media bought and paid for by these criminals...

...don't you think these polls are bought and paid for as well?

Of course they are. Just one more mouth of the propaganda hydra.

I do not believe anyone or anything anymore - except what I can somewhat prove.

[JHBowden]

11. I predict McCain will not survive the GOP primary.

The wackos over at the FreakRepublic will take McLame down for us, fortunately.

[Cha]

12. bush is going down hill fast..

pretty soon..Bart Simpson will be able to beat him.

[daleo]

13. The game of democracy is allowed between elections.

But I fear Diebold takes care of things in selected years now.

[wisteria]

14. Actually, I regard Kerry's numbers as encouraging.Don't count him out!

First, they are up from previous polls. This means that people are beginning to take a second look at Kerry and do not necessarily view him as the loser any longer.
Second,many of these people polled more than likely haven't received very much in the way of new news on John Kerry. It's important to remember that he is still very much in their minds.
Third, his numbers, when compared to Hillary are surprising.
I won't speculate on the McCain factor. He may not run or get his party's endorsement. He may also, be straddled with baggage because of his support of Bush this last election depending on how Bush's war and our economy is doing in another two years. McCain will also be 72 years old if he runs.
Finally, John Kerry is known to be a "closer". That is his running style. He builds up his momentum to wards the end.

I hope he runs again, I will support him. I don't think his campaign was bad. Mistakes were made, but I doubt they would be made again. The public has a short memory and all news on Kerry would be old news. This would allow him plenty of time to get his message out and denounce any misconceptions promoted in the last campaign. John Kerry would make a great president. I trust him to straighten out the messes created by Bush and to restore our good standing in the world with most countries.

[ISUGRADIA]

16. ' "Finally, John Kerry is known to be a "closer". '

He had everything going for him in 2004 and blew it. His "closing" left a lot to be desired and he folded the day after the election and let the Ohio irregularities go uncontested by his touted voter legal protection team. Not for me in 2008.

[wisteria]

18. Disagree!

This was a tough election, I found it to be unpredictable to the very end. Kerry didn't have everything going for him. He was up against a war president. War presidents don't lose elections, at least that hasn't ever been the case in the US. Ever hear of the saying, "don't change horses in mid-stream"? We that saying was on a lot of people's minds when they cast their vote. You seem to blame everything on Kerry and don't take into account the popularity of Bush in many areas of the country, the corporate money backing Bush and the MSM aversion to covering much of what John Kerry had to say. They did nothing to help him and everything to aid Bush.
I won't even address your comments about Kerry's concession except to request you read the report from the DNC about the Ohio vote.
I actually, think Kerry just barely won or came closer than the numbers rely.

[ISUGRADIA]

20. I've read the DNC report, votes were stolen in Ohio

but Kerry seemed to worry more about his "political viability" than wanting to contest it last November. It took the Green Party willing to contest the vote in Ohio.

And I would add the last "war president" LBJ did lose in the sense his own party rejected him and the electorate repudiated his successor in 1968. Kerry was another example of Washington media people being given control and blowing the race.

[zann725]

17. Please! Kerry DID win before. Now it'd be an even larger Landslide...IF

the votes were properly counted.

[LightningFlash]

19. The final exit polls were correct.....

And Bushism.....He was at 42%, last time the real polls checked in at pew research center.

:wow:

[tritsofme]

21. Pew's final pre-election poll had Bush winning 51-48.

Were they wrong then and right now?

[LightningFlash]

22. Pew research group only did a certain sample then.

And before the "irregularities" it was 48-51, the other way. So its safe to say they would be right now considering they have polled a very large sample of the USA and know their methods.

[tritsofme]

24. Pew never had a Kerry victory of 51-48

in their final polling.

Kerry only led 46-45 among registered voters in that poll, while Bush led 48-45 among likely voters.

From the undecideds they then predicted Bush would win 51-48, as he did.

Either their methodology is sound, or it is not, you can't have it both ways.

I believe that Bush's low poll numbers today can be explained as little more than buyer's remorse.

Without Kerry to kick around and demonize every day, the spotlight is back on Bush, and his failures, and he can't move the news cycle away from it.

edited to give you the link to Pew's final press release before the elections:
http://people-press.org/reports/print.php3?PageID=906

[LightningFlash]

23. On edit.

Pew has done a very different sample in both cases, so it would be safe to assume they are correct now.