The REAL 'message' of Rove's remarks.

[TahitiNut]

Any expectation that the Rabid Fascists in this Regime will ever reciprocate to any compromise or cooperation offered by anyone not in lockstep with this Cabal is totally baseless. Despite COMPLETE subordination of political differences in the aftermath of 9/11, this lying piece of fascist shit trots out his detestable partisan attack rhetoric.

He's less honorable than the playground bully who steals a kid's lunch money.
He's the moral equivalent of a kidnapper who eviscerates his hostages after receipt of ransom.
He's the moral equivalent of a blackmailer who publishes nude photos after collecting payments.
He's even more detestable than the Nazi officer in "Sophie's Choice" who murdered the 'selected' child.

He's totally and irrevocably unworthy of any kind of trust or respect.

As a foremost spokesperson for this Regime, he's demonstrated that they have no honor and no decency of any kind.

Any "Democrat" who henceforth engages in the complete hypocrisy of entering into agreements or quid-pro-quo's with this regime does so without any validity. These people are less trustworthy than the most criminal and inhuman regimes in history.

[BlueJazz]

1. Damn...I wish I could add something to your post but.....

...you said it so well, anything I add would detract from it! :)

Well said..

[Freedomfried]

2. Rove is the dogshit on Americas boot heel.

he's a menace, he plays the masses like a cheap guitar.

[C_U_L8R]

3. He's Just Porcine Distraction

The White House panicked and threw him out at us squeeling all kinds of fraudulent blather just to direct (misdirect) our attention away from DSM and other real issues. We were on the right track and they freaked. Lets not let the KKKarl bait distract us. Yes we should hammer him... but always bring the conversation back to the real topic. The failures and crimes of the Bush Regime.

So...what's the lastest news on DSM?

[TahitiNut]

5. It's called TREASON.

Rove's remarks, no matter the tactical rationale, are proof that this regime will literally say and do anything to serve their insatiable appetites for power and pillage.

Never before in American history has there ever been a more complete and unanimous political compliance than in the days following 9-11. There was more political diversity and dissent in the days following Pearl Harbor! There was more political diversity and dissent in the days following JFK's assassination!

Yet, despite this total and complete subjugation and subordination of partisan political differences, this spokesperson engaged in political attack rhetoric completely unhinged and contrary to the unarguable fact of complete compliance from the left.

What does this have to do with the Downing Street Memos?

It proves that this regime is completely unworthy of any kind of trust, public or personal. They will literally say or do anything, unconstrained by any ethics or morality whatsoever, to serve their sociopathic and corrupt goals.

Rove's remarks serve to prove the unbounded corruption and treason as portrayed by the Downing Street Memos. Absolutely nothing they say can be trusted. Nothing.

These people absolutely belong in prison!


I'm personally irrevocably opposed to capital punishment. Nonetheless, there are heretofore unimagined extremes of human behavior I'm seeing with this regime that show these people to be deserving of treatment that's the equivalent to how we must deal with rabid dogs.

No matter how low they go, each day they demonstrate new lows in ethics and morality.

[earthside]

4. This is true.

You wrote: Any "Democrat" who henceforth engages in the complete hypocrisy of entering into agreements or quid-pro-quo's with this regime does so without any validity. These people are less trustworthy than the most criminal and inhuman regimes in history.

What Rove has brazenly done is telegraph the radical Republican's campaign theme for the 2006 Congressional election. Despite the fact that most of the electorate disagrees with Bush on almost every domestic issue and now even disagrees with Bush on the Iraq war --- the radical Republicans will insist that only they have the backbone to protect America from the terrorists.

Unfortunately, the 'spinelessness' of the likes of Dick Durbin only proves Rove's point. What Democrats still don't understand is that voters can disagree with a candidate on a specific issue, but will vote for that person if they feel like the candidate has guts, determination, strong principles, etc. ...

In my opinion, what irretrievably doomed Kerry in 2004, was his delay and timidity in defending himself from the Swift Boat liars. Kerry sent the message that he wasn't strong -- in otherwords, if you won't stick-up for yourself, how can we expect you to defend the country? Durbin fell into that trap on Wednesday and every Democrat that will not defend and promote Howard Dean falls into that trap. By the way, I think part of this is that Democrats need to stop using the language of 'government' -- Bush lied about WMD -- and Democrats have got to start using some tough words and not back down from that rhetoric when the radical Republicans start to whine. Bush is a liar and somebody in the Democratic Party hierachy needs to say so.

I put it this way --- Democrats need to stake out some strong, challenging positions (like calling for an Iraq withdrawal time table, like national health insurance), then stick with them no matter what ... they have to prove to the voters that they can take some punches and stick with their beliefs. But if they see apologies and compromises in the face of GOP attacks, well, then they are doomed again in 2006.

[havocmom]

6. RE the kidnapper analogy...

Cheney/Rumsfeld ARE the kidnappers who eviscerates hostages after receipt of ransom. Rove is the guy who makes the phone call...

The junta is holding the US Troops in Iraq as hostages and the ransom is every penny the DOD gives out in contracts to companies that 'supply' them.

[underpants]

7. ~"We are manly men and libs are p***ies"

That's the message he wanted to get out

[Auntie Bush]

8. Bravo, You should send this to Rove and Dean.

[Jose Diablo]

9. The message I heard in what Rove said is thus,

The Democrats are 'soft' on terrorists. Now we know what Bu$h said; "Your either with us, or against us".

Couple these two ideas and we get the result that Democrats are with the terrorists.

The next question is this; Are Rove and Bu$h suggesting Democrats belong with the 'terrorists' in camps?

I wouldn't put it past these guys to try. I think this is Rove's 'real' message, we should take him at his word and respond accordingly to his threat.

[markus]

10. Same old s**t, different day

The message is: we are the enemy. It is the basic red-meat message of right wing proponganda of the last two decades, and the cause for the complete collapse of civility in the Capitol (and just about anywhere else people congregate and talk).

It's time to start reciprocating in kind:

Bush is in the pay of the people who attacked us on 9/11 (Saudis).

The GOP is a rackerteering organization that exists for the sole purpose of looting the government, and the people who serve in the party should be prosecuted under the RICO statute and stripped of all of their ill-gotten gains and of their citizen ship rights (as the felons they are).

The religious right is indistinguishable from the Taliban. They are a greater threat to this country than Osamba Bin Laden.

[Beetwasher]

11. He Is the Lowest of the Low, The Most Vile Scum To Have Ever Lived

Rove would outdo Hitler if given the chance, and he just might have that chance.

[TahitiNut]

17. He's an EXEMPLAR of this regime.

Among the neocon cabal of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez, Rice, Feith, Card, Bolton, Wolfowitz, McClellan, Olson, Scalia, Thomas, Sanchez, Lott, DeLay, Hastert, Frist, et. al., he's representative of the void of basic human morals and ethics in the Fascist right.

[marions ghost]

12. Right...

if you choose to (or are forced to) tango with cold-blooded fascists, you will always pay heavily. It is hard for people with integrity to actually grasp what we are dealing with here in the Rovian Era. These life-forms are truly pathological. Nobody likes to think we could have such monsters running the US govt...it's a scary thought. Surely we don't have demons at the helm of the good old USA. But in fact, we do. Denial is a typical reaction before the awful truth dawns.

There is absolutely NO WAY to reach these people by appeal to morality or principle. NO reason to waste concern for them as they have none for you. Plenty of time to have compassion later--when they are dying old, miserable, and pathetic as they invariably do. Imagine what it must be like to have a heart so shrunken and ugly as Karl Rove's...to have his legacy as the record of your brief time on earth. In a few years all that lust for power and greedy predation will mean nothing to him. He will be staring out the window at the dry autumn leaves, waiting for his drugs. Only flying monkeys will attend his death. Like xxxler, Rove will be a notorious example of how NOT to live, along with the rest of the Bush Era criminals. We cannot let such people rule us again.

Right now we have to fight these freaks as hard as possible at every turn. And that means SEEING them for what they are. SAYING what they are. NAMING their multiple crimes. It's an old cliche, but every warrior can tell you that you must 'know the enemy' before you can defeat him. Rove is such terrible bad scum that it's hard to describe him in words. It's much easier to avoid him than deal with him. He thrives on that fear factor. But in descriptions come the acceptance that we ARE living a Worst Case Scenario. TahitiNut did a good job with that description.

[Jose Diablo]

13. A good start would be to 'lock-down' the Senate

Locking the legislative function stops the train they are driving until the next election. Roll call every vote, use every trick in the book to stop the train. Do NOT play ball with these dickheads. Don't even acknowledge they are 'legal representatives' in any sense.

When the Dem's are back in the driver seat; then impeach these b*stards, convict them and place them in jail. For the repub 'reps' voted out, then convict them on RICO statutes when a new sitting president nominates a legitimate DoJ to actually enforce the law and bust the back of the Republican party.

[TahitiNut]

15. I agree that a "no holds barred" strategy MUST be adopted.

We're NOT dealing with "honest brokers" here. This regime is not due even the most basic of human trust. No agreement, no rule, and no law will circumscribe what they've shown themselves willing (and eager) to do and say.

[marions ghost]

19. Yes a legitimate Department of Justice

is Priority #1 as far as any criminal prosecutions are concerned. The whole Pandora's Box of corruption in this country is creaking open...it remains to be seen if our system is strong enough to deal with what comes out. Right, the Dems are going to have to play hardball now as never before. Use whatever legal means necessary to stop this illegal train. If they do, they will find support they never even knew they had. If they don't, they will eventually be exposed as accomplices in crime, and co-dependents in the greatest insanity in American history. My crystal ball is cloudy as to which way it will go.

[TahitiNut]

14. Exactly! Thank you. It's more than mere ad hominem at this point.

Despite complete cooperation and subordination of political ideology by the left in the days following 9-11, Rove now ignores that 'white flag' and has opened fire, spewing outright lies like raindrops in a monsoon.

It's political necrophilia of the most detestable kind.

It's as ethically depraved as Nazi violations of non-aggression pacts.

This regime, after showing themselves as complete and abject cowards on and before 9-11, are now smearing themselves with the blood of the dead and claiming credit where absolutely none is due.

Despite an appreciation for the fundamental evil of these people, I find myself nearly incapable of even coming close to portraying their moral and ethical corruption.

[The Sleeper]

16. All true...

but that's been known all along. He's a punk....and not even a very good one. After all, he hitched his star to a guy who can't seem to remember where he was for a year...
Rove and the other so called attack dogs are easy to deal with...If they even look at you funny, you stomp the living hell out of them.
Since they only understand power and viciousness, why not give them a belly full ?

[Auntie Bush]

18. Rove is just a F*****g grubby gardener...spreading seeds which

will grow big and strong during mid-term & 2008 elections. They are special genetically altered seeds which flourish in Southern soil in the dark without the light of truth?. They produce more seeds which spread lies of gigantic size that state a simple message. Rethugs are strong on defeating terrorists and Dem's are weak. You are safer with Rethugs in control. You weak...we strong! We protect...you nurture!

Isn't it great that the media has repeated his lies over and over (getting their message out) without suggesting they were wrong? Instead, they ask if the Democrats are just playing politics. The media are nothing but a pack of nasty weasels.

The seeds are sown! Now sit back and watch them grow! It's going to be a bumper crop!

[TahitiNut]

20. It's very important that this is NOT just Rove.

He's an internally honored example of what this regime values ... an amoral, unethical, and lawless appetite for unbounded power. They're an epitome of the corruption of a "might makes right" ideology, where there is no common ground for establishing trust: not decency, not law, and not honor.

[marions ghost]

22. Not gonna WATCH them grow...

Gonna take a whole LOT of Roundup though...no illusions about that. The parasite media is like cute little fungi, popping up everywhere in this moist political jungle, but DON'T eat any...

The fairy said to Jack:

"If you had looked at the gigantic Beanstalk and only stupidly wondered about it,' she said, `I should have left you where misfortune had placed you, only restoring the cow to your mother. But you showed an inquiring mind, and great courage and enterprise, therefore you deserve to rise; and when you mounted the Beanstalk you climbed the Ladder of Fortune."
(and as u recall, the all-powerful Giant was killed by little Jack when he cut down the beanstalk)

[deutsey]

21. And yet, Rove is probably the most powerful man in America today

and there are no signs that he will suffer any negative repercussions for his despicable ways.

In fact, he's rewarded quite handsomely for them.

[marions ghost]

23. He is rewarded

only by a sick system. Rove is a big malignancy in a disease that is seriously out of control. The treatment needs to be aggressive and systemic.

[deutsey]

24. Correct you are n/t

[TahitiNut]

25. "The treatment needs to be aggressive and systemic."

I couldn't agree more. Our "body politic" is infested with a sociopathic malignancy of extensive proportions, but we're not even beginning to deal with our own illness. Our nation is like a drug addict, seemingly incapable of recognizing his own sickness let alone seeking a cure. We keep pretending that putting band-aids on a few open sores is enough.

I've tip-toed up to the brink of despair ... lamenting the reality that we don't even have the beginnings of a true "underground" for the probable chaos and almost certain tyranny to come. We're gonna hit rock bottom sooner or later, and I'm very doubtful we'll rebound in the foreseeable future.

[marions ghost]

28. keep saying it ,TahitiNut...

and before long others who instinctively know there is something SERIOUSLY "rotten in Denmark" will also find the courage to say it, and then we can begin to come to terms with our diseased core at last. We're still in the denial phase as a country about the magnitude of the problems but if enough of us finally get fed up we can bring about some significant changes. Please don't give up. It's going to take everybody.

[JHBowden]

26. Republicans may fuck up, but Democrats love terrorists.

That's the message. It is built for consumption by the dumbass conservative base which readily devours this feces on a regular basis. The GOP leadership also wants to keep their base juiced up and keep their minds off the compromise "sellout."

[mtnsnake]

27. Just reading about Rove makes me feel dirty all over!

[KoKo]

29. I get it...I have my "horned hat" on also....to Gore...

It's into the "trenches."