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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:06 PM
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Does anyone thing impeachment is actually possible? Re: all the memos.
I keep hearing all this stuff about about the DSM and now new memos from LAT. Is it acutally possible that this is too much for the repukes to ignore???
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:07 PM
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1. Let them tie themselves into public knots.
Honor and integrity? Not Republican values.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:08 PM
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2. No.
It will never happen.

It's all about party over country for these bastards.

Impeachment will never happen unless the Dems can take the H of R
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:17 PM
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9. No. Not possible. R's control everything. The White House can do
anything they want to do now.
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gordontron Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:28 PM
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18. when your country is being ransacked
and wars are started for no reason its our patriotic duty to steer our government out of insanity and warmongering.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:09 PM
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3. No. And for us to think about it is a distraction.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:11 PM
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4. Impeachment no. Repukes control everything. BUT
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 12:11 PM by Imalittleteapot
what is possible is making the President, his Administration and all of those in Congress look like the liars and liar enablers that they are --- and it gives us some 2006 talking points.
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:14 PM
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5. very true. thats probably what we should focus on.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:21 PM
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11. That's about it. Talking points, but the media will kill the talking
points.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:14 PM
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6. I look at it like this.. He MUST be impeached
Or at least it must be pursued, even if the repukes block it.

I'm afraid he's going to use a nuke somewhere if he's not put in check. They've already been talking about it and these criminals have no concept of M.A.D.
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:17 PM
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7. Yes, it is possible.
Just extraordinarily difficult.

I guess it all depends on whether or not we're up to the challenge.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:19 PM
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10. How, with the congress totally controlled by the White House?
The media would shout (and shut) it down.
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:26 PM
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13. There are ways.
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 12:28 PM by Chichiri
The best would be, simply, to make the Republicans in congress see reason -- at least enough of them for the vote.

The *easiest* would probably be to take control of Congress in '06.

The most fun (?) would be outright revolution.

Like I said: extraordinarily difficult, but possible.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:55 PM
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23. Taking Congress is one way, but with gerrymandering, it appears to be
impossible in the House. Regaining the Senate is possible but it will probably be two election cycles. I'm working on defeating Santorum.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:17 PM
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8. Here's my case for impeachment if you are interested
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:22 PM
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12. Zero Integrity, Zero Truth, The republicans are scrambling to ......
determine what can be done to cover this thing up with more feeble excuses. I am sure the document shredding equipment is working overtime at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:11 PM
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14. Impeachment actually is possible! Here's how...
www.recallthecongress.com

Start putting this to good use folks!

>>>>snip

To impeach George Bush for war crimes and covertly implementing PNAC, we have to get a handle on our congress men and women.

This website is created to organize local state efforts to petition the Secretary of State or other official of each state in which laws have been established for the recall process of public officials. There are 26 states in which such laws have been established leaving 24 states in which an effort is required to petition the state legislature for enactment of such a law or alternatively where the initiative has been made law to use that vehicle to bring each state of the nation into a parity of power of its citizens to control the Federal government.

Link for those less legally minded to understand the scope of this site

Status of the lawsuit
Click on http://foundersfreedomdefensefund.blogspot.com/

>>>>snip

Objectives of We the People

To kick George W. Bush out of office, send him packing to Crawford Texas and to seek his future trial for war crimes in the docks of the International Court of Criminal Justice. To this add Dick Cheney and his rogue companions.
That We the People gain control over the Senate and House of Representatives whereby they are bound to perform according to their commitments to We the People or get booted out of office by state court upon complaint of We the People.
To teach the President and the Congress that We the People own America and the government and that every person in each of those entities is in our employ and subject to our termination by way of our reserved electoral right of recall.
To establish that the right of the people to recall members of the US Senate or the House of Representatives is a right not prohibited within the Constitution and is thus reserved to the electors of the States contrary to common myth.
To firmly establish the right of We the People to veto any acts of the Congress within 48 hours of passage which veto is final and cannot be overridden by the Congress.
To establish by use of the recall that We the People are the backbone of our government, not its vassals and that the government must respond to the will of We the People.
Not the last and not the least is that we must re-establish fiscal responsibility to this nation which is heading for bankruptcy under the present administration with the aid and assistance of our congressional delegates.






We the people of the United States

face the greatest challenge in the history of our country

It is greater than the Revolutionary war by which our country was given birth. It is greater than the Civil war which preserved the union.

It is greater than World War II which was waged to eliminate the evils of fascism from the earth. It is unprecedented in world history!




It is indeed a rebirth of fascism in our time in our own country by those who have hijacked the government from their seat in the Administration and by their accomplices within the Congress along with all other inept members of the Congress who have allowed this tragedy to come upon us. Most of these are descendants of fathers who fought and some who died in World War II to free the world of fascism. Don’t know what PNAC is? Most Americans don’t. Read up on it http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

How did it happen? By lies and deception and by placing the Nation under a state of fear. But not by accident. It was a well orchestrated event including 9/11 and all the suspicions surrounding it. For 9/11 was a needed event ( As stated by the paper itself) ( Sin of Omission) to implement the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and first kicked into gear by the ill-informed interference of the US Supreme Court in a States Right matter of the election fraud in Florida in 2000. That interference resulted in an illegal electoral college vote for George W. Bush.

It was further encouraged in 2004 by a conspiracy of silence among members of the Congress on both sides of the aisle to not speak of fascism or PNAC during the election campaign which they knew or must have known was taking over America. Members of Congress who knew and were silent are guilty of treason and high crimes against the country. If they didn’t know they are inept and should be kicked out of their offices as quickly as possible. We don’t need a rubber stamp congress to the further the evil empire builder George W. Bush.

I won’t go into the parallels between September 11, 2001 and February 27,1933 when Germany began to lose its democracy and the Third Reich fascist government began. Thom Hartman has done an excellent job of that. Thom Hartman | When Democracy Failed - 2005: The Warnings of History http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0222-22.htm

We cannot allow George Bush and company to entrench our country any deeper into the un-godly agenda of PNAC. Every American needs to stand up, listen, read and learn what is going on then decide to do something positive about it. I have suggested an:



American Revolution 2005

It needs to be done beginning now and by our use of the powers vested in WE the People
Volunteers needed in all 50 states. If you have the spirit of America’s founders and wish to participate in a non-violent recapture of the freedoms associated with the founding of America, please step forward and make yourself known. A coordinated effort in all 50 states will put America back where it belongs as a nation in a brotherhood of nations.

Contact me for state organizational plans. [email protected] For starters copy, paste and print the following document and send it to each member of your state congressional delegation with a request they sign it and file it with the state secretary of states office.



UNILATERAL CONGRESSIONAL CONTRACT

State of ___________________________________
To Be Filed in the State Secretary of State's Office



(SPACE RESERVED FOR FILING STAMP)




For and in consideration of continued employment of the people of the State of ________________________,the undersigned member of the United States Congress hereby pledges to the electorate of the above named state, that I will actively work and vote to promote the impeachment of George W. Bush as President of the United States, Richard Cheney, Vice President and other civil servants involved for their conduct in:

Lying to the Congress and the public in order obtain support for the illegal war against Iraq.
For implementing the white paper of a Non Government Organization Known as the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) titled “Rebuilding Americas Defenses” which calls for global military dominance of the United States with unilateral pre-emptive military strikes against any nation deemed a threat to that dominance.
For violating international law in invading Iraq and for the deaths of innocent Iraqis and resulting unnecessary deaths and maiming of our own troops.
For using fear as a mechanism to establish fascism within the government.
In making this pledge, I understand that I will not be subject to recall by my constituency. I waive constitutional rights, if any, relating to continuity of my holding office and understand that in the event of failure on my part to perform as stated within a reasonable time from date, I may be removed from office by a complaint made to a competent court of my state by 3 or more members of my constituency. My only defense being a showing of performance.

This pledge relates only to the issue of the impeachment of George W. Bush, et al. I understand that from time to time there may be other issues which will require my pledge of support.



Dated this ________Day of _________________, 2005

______________________________________
Printed Name of Signator

______________________________________

Signature

______________________________________

Office held














Witnessed by: _______________________________________

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:13 PM
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15. About the right of recall...
http://www.recallthecongress.com/further_explanation_of_the_right.htm

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FURTHER EXPLANATION OF THE RIGHT OF RECALL

( For the less legally Minded )

The only assurance to prevent the hijacking of the country in the future is for Americans to assert the power of recall of congress members who refuse to abide by the Constitution and the will of the masses of the people in their inept support of a government gone awry.

Contrary to myth, Congress people can be recalled by their constituents. Any power not enumerated in the Constitution is reserved to the people. Recall is one of those powers.

In those states where there is a law establishing procedure to invoke the recall, it is available to the people to initiate it. In those
states where it is not procedurally established by law, the local state legislatures need to establish a procedural law whereby the people_can initiate it. It has nothing to do with local legislators demanding something of D.C.

As an alternative to a recall procedure against a Congressman, any member of congress can make a private unilateral employment contract with his constituents to pledge a certain conduct with penalties ( a court ordered enforcement of the terms of the breach of contract or fired from job )

We the people can do it. You can help!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:06 PM
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25. EXCELLENT! Another one for the Five-Star thread...
Great resource, my friend. Thanks!
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:14 PM
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16. Despite being mostly a cynic and not a skeptic,
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 01:16 PM by SimpleTrend
I tend to be optimistic regarding impeachment. I know it would be unlikely given the republican majority seemingly everywhere.

I'm optimistic in the sense that those in power can only remain in power as long as their base supports them. Once the base stops supporting them, their remaining days in office are borrowed time.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:22 PM
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17. coattails
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 01:23 PM by GreenArrow
They can get you elected, or they can get you defeated. If certain Republicans have their personal prospects threatened by an association with the prez, they might find it worth their while to save their own asses.

The worse Bush's approval ratings, the better the chance of impeachment.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:36 PM
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19. Doesn't matter if it's possible or not - just talking about it...
...is a win-win for us.

VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT.

NGU.


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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:42 PM
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20. Yes, It Is Possible
As improbable as it might be there is reason to think that impeachment of Bush is possible. I say that relying on the honor of Republicans in the House of Representatives. You see, there are honerable Republicans.

We miss that too often I think. At least we who are Democrats can openly oppose Bush. Longtime conservatives who's party has been hijacked simply can not. I think they got blind sided by the accendency of this band of criminals as the public and in much the same sequence.

How would his assumption of power be viewed? First there was the father Bush, a long time Republican with the credentials that follow. How bad could the son be? He seemed to have good handlers, didn't he? Clever of him to have captured the evangelicals, but they aren't a problem, are they? He's a Republican, he must be fiscally conservative, isn't he?

When Eisenhower gave his farewell address, and gave name to the Military Industrial Complex he also, at that moment, he gave face to a side of the Republican party that has just in these recent years (post 2000) come to dominate. I think Ike was frightened of it then and I think every American should be now. Hopefully some are.

And that is why I think there is a chance. Real Republicans, the traditional conservatives, still lurk in the Congress and if they can be persuaded to raise their voices then Bush is out. Otherwise its a year and a half to go - time enough for one more war. And you know its comming.
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 01:59 PM
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21. Not under the present circumstances however...
Keeping this before the public will I think be helpful as regards the 2006 midterm. If it becomes more clear,as if it isn't now but some people you have to hit over the head several times before they get it(see watergate), that Idiot in Chief lied regularlly and consistently and is still lying and obfuscating on a daily basis it weakens him and the Majority party. Every one of these stories, Delay, DSM, Sensenbrenner obstructionism etc. etc. etc. The more we hammer these items the weaker it makes their positions in all regards. So if we gain even one branch of congress we will have a good foundation for proceeding to at the least have regular hearings that will feed the MSM with story after story of Bush and his lying cronies. It will also give us the opportunity to tie up any of his desires as far as a functioning government are concerned until the 2008 election. We just need one branch to get some suppena power!
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 02:09 PM
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22. Regardless if it's possible or not, the efforts expose the truth.
The more we talk about it, the more we write our representatives/friends/media outlets, the more the truth is spread.

As demand for more info is increased, more info will be found.

As more reps see that the people want to know the truth, they will speak out on behalf of the truth.

More hearings gets more truth into a reluctant corporate media.

More guvment droids may be embolden to leak truths.

These truths get added to the others, making our voices louder and our arguement stronger.

This reinforces the previous points.

It's a process. A LOOOOONG process. If you think it's futile, fine (just for example, I'm not trying to put words in your keyboard). Work your own process, and get good folks to help. It may take a hundred processes to bring down this evil corporatist machine that has been functioning since the nineteenth century.

Shouting IMPEACH may not help, but digging for evidence will.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:02 PM
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24. Well, it'll be a LOT less possible if we do nothing but sit quietly and
just watch... and mind our own bidness... and maybe go shopping...

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:54 PM
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28. I loved Al Franken's thing about the terror alert and shopping...
"The terror alert is Orange and the President tells us go shopping. If it goes up to red he'll probably tell us to shop online."
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:09 PM
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26. I don't.....unless
the Repukes decide to throw George over the side. Cheney is the president and George is the figurehead. If things get hot enough for the Repukes that it looks like they may lose their majority in Congress, they might decide to toss George (with a huge private sector parachute, of course).

The neocon shadow government will stay firmly in place, though.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 03:53 PM
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27. Dems need to take congress and the memos need better press
As far as actual conviction goes, I highly doubt that there is a chance given the partisan evniornment that we live in.
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