Mark Felt - crime lord Poppy Bush's fall guy.

[ClassWarrior]

Discuss.

NGU.

[whistle]

1. I just posted this on another Felt thread, but it's worth looking at

...here:

<snip>
The Final Word on Deep Throat (So Far)
Timothy Noah
Posted Monday, Aug. 9, 1999, at 2:41 PM PT


Today is the 25th anniversary of Richard Nixon's resignation speech. (To watch Nixon saying, "Therefore, I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow," click here. You can hear it over and over by clicking repeatedly.) Chatterbox decided to celebrate Nixon Resignation Day by phoning W. Mark Felt, the former FBI official whom Richard Nixon and Nora Ephron and various other people believe to have been Deep Throat. Chatterbox, strongly influenced by a 1992 James Mann piece in the Atlantic Monthly (which is finally online; click here to read it) has himself been fairly pro-Felt lately, and subscribes to Mann's thesis that if it wasn't Felt, it was someone else at the FBI. (See "Deep Throat: The Game Is Afoot"; "Another Bulletin From the Deep Throat Desk"; "Deep Throat Revealed (One Last Time)"; and "Deep Throat Revealed (Again).")

Earlier today, when Chatterbox first attempted to phone Felt (now an octogenarian living in California with his daughter Joan), he got an answering machine. "If you'd like to leave a message for Joan, Rob, Nick, or Deep Throat," it said, "you may do so after the beep." Naturally, Chatterbox got a little excited when he heard this. But when Chatterbox phoned back a little later, Joan Felt said it was a gag message that she had put on her phone last night after having a bottle of wine with some friends, and that this morning she'd thought better of it and taken it off. Joan said she really has no idea whether her father is Deep Throat, but that he's told her he isn't. "He hasn't revealed it to anybody if it's true," she said. Hmm, Chatterbox thought. A non-denial denial from the daughter.

Then Mark Felt came on the line. Chatterbox schmoozed Felt a bit. Does he get asked a lot by reporters whether he's Deep Throat?

Yes. A couple of times so far this week.

Are you Deep Throat?

The answer to that is yes and no. I'm the person that they're talking about. I was involved very deeply in all that ... went on. But I'm not guilty of disclosure, leaking it to the press, or anything like that.

<more>
<link> http://slate.msn.com/id/1003363/

[EVDebs]

34. Bob Woodward, US military intelligence agent Operation Mockingbird

Deep Throat A few more thoughts about Watergate
By Bob Harris
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/07.03.97/scoop-9727.html

shows us that Bob Woodward was being 'used' by Robert F. Bennett, now Senator R-UT, who at the time was the Mullen & Co. head.

Further research on Mr. Woodward shows connections to the military intelligence that Secret Agenda by Jim Hougan made us aware of

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr196-woodward.html

Woodward as 'one of the guys' would have not have allowed information derogatory to the CIA to make it into print, and if he did, he'd be sure to make the source look sufficiently bad or unreliable.

Nice touch with Carl Bernstein's Oct. 1977 Rolling Stone article "The CIA and the Media", which exposed Operation Mockingbird...

And Ben Bradlee's good friend Amb. Graham A. Martin, was a bagman for the CIA (with Gen Miceli in Italy fascist orgs).

The US media needs to update Bernstein's article !

[gordianot]

2. Ask Bob or Carl only they know for sure, or are they talking yet? edit:

From MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8047258/


Carl Bernstein, who with Bob Woodward broke the story as Washington Post reporters, issued a statement neither denying nor confirming Felt's claim. Bernstein stated he and Woodward would be keeping their pledge to reveal the source only once that person dies.



How strange is that? :crazy:

[blm]

3. Poppy Bush was the real Deep Throat. Everyone else around him were

just accomplices set up for plausible denial.

[11cents]

4. So you think Poppy was a hero?

Hmm. That's surprising.

[napi21]

6. Hero? No. Self serving egotist? Yes! n/t

[ClassWarrior]

7. No, he's an evil, vengeful crime lord.

Nixon had promised Poppy the VP slot in his second term, and when Tricky Dick welshed on the promise, Poppy, Prescott, and the rest of the crime family brought him down.

If Poppy was "a hero," don't you think the selfish fuck would be crowing it from the mountaintops??

NGU.

[Octafish]

18. Think about it. blm's stating Bush engineered the removal of Nixon.

Bush was veep when Pruneface Reagan was shot.

After that, Pruneface got the Alzheimer's and Bush was acting presidential all over Iran-Contra, etc.

BTW: blm's been after Bush and the BFEE a lot longer than most.

[Eloriel]

59. Uh, perhaps, but

blm's credibility on other matters isn't so hot in my book. Makes her remarks on this less than persuasive as well -- in my book.

If ya'll have some links, please share them (and I've only read this far in this thread so maybe they're already provided).

[blm]

28. You've got to be kidding. Bush was clearing the way for his own 1980 run.

Nixon's duplicity was making him loonier by the day, so Bush arranged the takedown. Woodward was in his Post job just FOUR MONTHS when he started to get info passed to him....he was previously in Naval Intelligence. No doubt he was tapped by Bush, imo.

Woodward could never seem to find a story in IranContra and BCCI, and even said on Larry King that there was no story in Enron.

Does that sound like an investigative reporter to you?

[Geek_Girl]

53. Don't forget the Slam Dunk BS!

Woodward gave Bush the pass on WMD in his book by leading one to believe Iraq was planned on faulty intel by the Tenet. If he was truly an investigative reporter you'd think he would've been able to figure out that was pure BS.

[tsuki]

36. Only if you think what DeLay did to Gingrich was heroic.

[fooj]

8. Ditto.

:grr:

[Freddie Stubbs]

52. What proof is there it back this up?

:shrug:

[The Magistrate]

55. There Is Not A Shred Of Proof Backing The Assertion, Mr. Stubbs

[ClassWarrior]

56. It's simply a theory - as has been all speculation on DT...

...but this one is backed up by an awful lot of circumstantial evidence. And it sure does fit the Bush** Crime Family modus operandi.

NGU.

[Freddie Stubbs]

57. What circumstantial evidence?

:shrug:

[ClassWarrior]

58. The DU expert on the subject is Octafish, I'm told.

You can learn much by searching on his/her posts. I'm no expert myself - I just find this theory very compelling.

NGU.

[blm]

68. The whole BFEE story of manipulations from WW2 to today. It fits their MO

And Woodward's. YOU think an investigative reporter would have noticed SOMEthing was wrong in IranContra? BCCI? Iraggate? Enron?

Woodward didn't.

[zann725]

65. Agreed.

It's Poppy. The Felt story "felt" wrong...especially with MSM pushing it proudly.

[napi21]

5. I don't think it was Felt. How many people really ever heard of him?

Why would Carl & Bob keep this such a big secret if it wasn't a name that would shock everyone?

[Stand and Fight]

10. Very, very valid point. n/t

[11cents]

19. I'd heard of hiim.

He's been discussed for years as one of the most likely "Deep Throat" possibilities. It's always been considered probable that Deep Throat was from the FBI. The name wasn't kept secret because it would "shock everyone"; it was a protect-your-sources thing.

[Nederland]

30. Anybody who studied Watergate knows him

He's always been one of the leading suspects. The whole idea that Bush Sr. was DeepThroat is total bullshit built on partisanship and ignorance. Anybody who knows that history of Watergate knows that one of the most damming pieces of evidence on that White House tapes was the revelation that Nixon tried to get the CIA to take over the investigation because he didn't like what the FBI was doing. This plainly indicates that Nixon didn't trust the FBI (where Felt worked) but did trust the CIA (where Bush Sr. worked).

I fail to understand why people here at DU are always so quick to jump to the wackiest conspiracy theory so long as it implicates Bush&Co. Get over it. There are lots of evil people in the world and not all of them have the last name of Bush. No doubt after Felt dies and Woodward and Berstein confirm this people around here will make up some other hairbrained theory as to why they are lying :eyes:

[fob]

37. Felt may or may not be DT, bush* SR may or may not by DT,

but I'll take what an apparently honest former #2 FBI man says with a grain or two of salt. I'll take what a decidedly DISHONEST former HEAD of CIA (bush* sr) says with all the salt in the universe.

Over the last year there has been more talk about who DT is since it was leaked that he was in ill-health and the impending release of his name could be forthcoming sooner than later. I thought to myself the first name "they" oficially confirm is probably better than a solid bet NOT to be DT. And I don't have anything other than intution to offer as "proof".

Follow the money...

[Nederland]

38. Right about one thing

last year there was talk that DT was in ill health, and Papa Bush is is in good health...

[fob]

39. You believe everything that is printed in the press?

Wasn't that pic of ghwb with massive facial sores from last year? He didn't look too healthy in that pic to me.

I'm not saying he is or is not but I don't trust those involved enough to believe this blurting out all of a sudden. It's too contrived.

[Nederland]

70. The debate is over

Now that Brady and Woodward have confirmed that Felt was Deep Throat, the debate is over.

You were wrong.

[ClassWarrior]

71. "Move along, there's nothing to see here..."

Hmmmm... when have I heard that before??

NGU.

[fob]

73. Yeah. I'm not yet convinced by the media story but now that nederland

has chimed in, it must be TRUE!

[Nederland]

76. Missing the point

Its not the fact that MSM is reporting this to be true, its the fact that Woodward is reporting that its true. Deep Throat was Woodward's source. If you can't believe Woodward, you are basically saying we will never know.

[fob]

77. Not missing the point. The ability to trust Woodward IS the point.

I do not. Like I said earlier, Felt may or may not be DT, he may be a patsy, or he may be confused, it doesn't matter. I don't really care who DT is, it's really inconsequential in the scheme of things. Much less important than how Woodward came upon such important secret info given his position at the time, and having a real DT turn up goes a long way to quiet any further questions into how that came about.

How did a new reporter garner the trust to handle this info correctly?

Oh, didn't you hear it was Deep Throat who turned out to be the #2 man at the FBI, it was all wrapped up in a tidy little package in the summer of 2005. No need to ask any more questions.

[ClassWarrior]

78. And please don't call them the "MSM."

There's nothing "mainstream" about the Corporate Media's twisted agenda of greed and manipulation.

<rant off> :rant:

NGU.

[fob]

72. I am wrong? That's pretty forward of you considering I haven't said

anything other than I doubt the "official" story. I really don't give a frogs fat ass who DT is/was if you must know.

Just so YOU know, the debate being over doesn't mean the truth has been revealed.

[peacetalksforall]

54. The Mark guy would have been more credible if the entire right wing

HAD NOT instantaneously started to promote him as a hero.

The way the right wing is playing it makes me believe it isn't true. In spite of the dis-reality they want to arrange for us...there are ways of seeing through them after awhile.

If they stop making Mark a hero, I may...may...believe them on this.

Just keep in mind that the Republican Party wanted to take Nixon out, plus some honorable people. If the Republican Party hadn't wanted it, set it up, it might not have worked. THEREFORE, it DOESN"T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE whether there is a 91 year old named Mark who is declared DT. It was a collective JOB.

Woodward has never been the person he was presented to be. I'm beginning to doubt Bernstein, now, also, though I think he has brains that go with overall decency.

If we couldn't trust any of them yesterday or this morning or last month or in July of 2002, why should we trust them now?

[Eloriel]

60. Huh? The rightwing is DEMONIZING Felt -- have been all day

Even David Gergen -- whom I have had a smidgeon of respect for in the past for his, um, "integrity" -- came down hard on Felt on two different interviews I saw him in, saying he "was not a heroic figure," but quite the opposite.

G. Gordon Liddy, Pat Buchanan, Chuck Colson (to a lesser degree), Monica Crowley (ptooey, ptooey) -- all of these came down HARD on Felt for his "disloyalty." Buchanan and maybe even others raised the spectre of Felt being guilty of obstruction of justice.

I've been absolute astounded at the visceral ugliness directed at Felt, along with the notion that somehow LOYALTY is a more important value than honesty and integrity. (For anyone who may be confused about this, it's a sick, dysfunctional and CORRUPT organization where this is the case, where loyalty is the highest value.)

[peacetalksforall]

61. I saw part of (is the name?) Connected, then Dan Abrams, and the

interview with Felt's daughter and grandsons and I've heard some of the comments from posters about who said what.

My distinct impression is that they have a hero on their hands. I've not heard Gergen.

[nomatrix]

67. YOU fail to understand or read history

"After a couple of terms as a Congressman from Texas, Bush was appointed Ambassador to the United Nations by President Richard M. Nixon. Afterwards Nixon appointed him chairman of the Republican National Committee. So Bush spent Watergate as head of the Republican party. Oddly enough, as RNC chairman Bush had an (unofficial) office inside the White House. So anyway, Bush was the guy who ultimately had to ask Nixon to resign, which he was too chicken to do face-to-face. So he wrote a memo:

Dear Mr. President,
It is my considered judgment that you should now resign. I expect in your lonely embattled position this would seem to you as an act of disloyalty from one you have supported and helped in so many ways. My own view is that I would now ill serve a President whose massive accomplishments I will always respect and whose family I love, if I did not now give you my judgment. Until this moment resignation has been no answer at all, but given the impact of the latest development, and it will be a lasting one, I now firmly feel resignation is best for the country, best for this President. I believe this view is held by most Republican leaders across the country. This letter is much more difficult because of the gratitude I will always have for you. If you do leave office history will properly record your achievements with a lasting respect.

Nixon quit the following day, and Gerald Ford became President. In October 1974, Ford sent Bush to China as the second pseudo-ambassador to that country since Mao's revolution. Apparently, there wasn't much for him to do. When the Chinese wanted something from Washington, they didn't bother with Bush. They would just call up Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Bush was completely superfluous.

After spending a year sitting on his ass in China, Bush was tapped to head the Central Intelligence Agency in January 1976. He shuffled papers as Director of Central Intelligence for a year until Ford lost to Georgia governor Jimmy Carter. Consequently, Bush had four years of downtime."

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-hw-bush/

Edited to add link.

[theboss]

74. I had heard of him

He was always on the short list of subjects.

And the reason they kept him secret was that he was a confidential source.

[imenja]

9. any information to support this?

Or are you just repeating the usual stuff for the hell of it?

[ClassWarrior]

11. Any information to support the theory that the Bush** family are a pit...

...of evil, vengeful vipers who'd sell their own grandmothers for power and profit?

Nawwwww... just repeating the usual stuff for the hell of it.

:rofl:

NGU.

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[ClassWarrior]

13. Note the text in the body of the OP: "Discuss."

I'm sorry if I offended your sensibilities by attempting to prompt a discussion.

NGU.

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[ClassWarrior]

15. ROFLMAO.

Whatever. But thanks for keeping the thread kicked.

NGU.

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[ClassWarrior]

29. To be clear, I responded to questions about "evidence" by saying...

...I am simply attempting to prompt a discussion of a theory. But I guess that's not "intellectual" enough.

NGU.

[11cents]

31. If you were trying to prompt a discussion ....

... you wouldn't have laughed at the whole idea that you should provide some evidence for your claims. The people who asked for some were *trying* to discuss the topic; you weren't capable of responding, so you engaged in childish taunting instead. I wasn't the only person here who found your behavior irritating. You could learn something here, if you are not, like George W. Bush, scared and resentful of anything that seems too "intellectual."

[ClassWarrior]

35. So theories can't be the basis of a discussion?

Must there always be hard evidence in order to discuss a subject?

NGU.

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[Catherine Vincent]

32. Damn, it's seems I always miss the action.

[ClassWarrior]

33. LOL

It wasn't the kind of "action" I'd been hoping for when I posted it.

NGU.

[JRob]

47. I guess you struck a cord (although I did get to hear it).

I thought Dem's were supposed to have a sense of humor even when it's serious. Leave the self righteousness to the right...

PS I hate it when I miss all the shit slinging! :evilgrin:

[JRob]

46. I was just thinking the same thing. Damn!

[Placebo]

40. Case closed.

Poppy Bush was not 'Deep Throat'.

[ClassWarrior]

41. I see. So you believe corporate journalist Bob Woodward?

NGU.

[Placebo]

42. ...

:rofl:

Okay. Now we're not even trusting the men who were the story.

If not the men who were directly involved, then who? Honestly, I'd like you to give one source that's more credible than Woodward or Bernstein.

[EVDebs]

43. Mullen & Co.'s Robert F. Bennett LOL !

See post #34.

[name not needed]

44. You're wrong!

I have no proof of it, but I'm right, dammit!

:P

[Placebo]

50. ...

:rofl:

Lousy activist judge!

[ClassWarrior]

49. So, because I asked if YOU trust the man, you've assumed I don't?

Sloppy logic in my humble opinion.

NGU.

[fooj]

45. Just a question...

Why did Woodward agree to "house" the Watergate papers at Sr.'s Presidential Library in Texas? Why there? Shouldn't they be at the Nixon Library?

[JRob]

48. PPS: Doesn't this stink of yet another brilliant MEDIA DIVERSION?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

51. Hey, where's my wallet!

[JRob]

62. LOL!

[Zynx]

63. Absurd.

[smartvoter]

64. Threads like this make us look like loons. nt

[zann725]

66. The TRUE loons are the Media who push "Truths" they know are lies.

Speaking the Truth, or questioning "reality" usually is labled "crazy" in Dysfunctional environements.

For that reason alone, let us ALWAYS keep questions and 'dialogue' open!

[ClassWarrior]

69. Speak for yourself.

So it's lunatic to discuss a theory? What is that - a thought crime under the new world order?

NGU.

[smartvoter]

75. Of course not. But that street runs both ways. nt

[onenote]

79. one problem with the poppy theory

How do you figure that "getting Nixon out of the way" cleared the way for Bush? The immediate result of Watergate was a huge plus for the Democrats: in 1974, the Democrats picked up 49 seats in the House and 4 in the Senate. They captured the WH in 1976, and added another House seat. Despite increasing inflation and an "energy crisis", the Dems only lost 15 Houseseats in 1978. It took a continuation of these economic woes plus the Iran hostage crisis to set the stage for Reagan, not Bush, to recapture the WH. If Bush could engineer Nixon's fall in the early 1970s, and could cause inflation, the energy crisis, and the Iran hostage crisis, why the heck couldn't he figure out a way to push Reagan aside? The problem with these tinfoil theories is that if you think about them, they fall apart.

onenote

[evermind]

80. Very unlikely to have been "Poppy"...

... if you believe the following info, often mentioned in connection with Bush and Watergate:

The Plumbers were created at the demand of Henry Kissinger, who told Nixon that something had to be done to stop leaks in the wake of the "Pentagon Papers" affair of 1971. But if the Plumbers were called into existence by Kissinger, they were funded through a mechanism set up by Kissinger clone George Bush. A salient fact about the White House Special Investigations Unit (or Plumbers) of 1971-72 is that the money used to finance it was provided by George Bush's business partner and lifelong intimate friend, Bill Liedtke, the president of Pennzoil. Bill Liedtke was a regional finance chairman for the Nixon campaigns of 1968 and 1972, and he was one of the most successful, reportedly exceeding his quota by the largest margin among all his fellow regional chairmen. Liedtke says that he accepted this post as a personal favor to George Bush. In 1972, Bill Liedtke raised $700,000 in anonymous contributions, including what appears to have been a single contribution of $100,000 that was laundered through a bank account in Mexico. According to Harry Hurt, part of this money came from Bush's bosom crony Robert Mosbacher, now Secretary of Commerce. According to one account, "two days before a new law was scheduled to begin making anonymous donations illegal, the $700,000 in cash, checks, and securities was loaded into a briefcase at Pennzoil headquarters and picked up by a company vice president, who boarded a Washington- bound Pennzoil jet and delivered the funds to the Committee to Re- elect the President at ten o'clock that night."

These Mexican checks were turned over first to Maurice Stans of the CREEP, who transferred them in turn to Watergate burglar Gordon Liddy. Liddy passed them on to Bernard Barker, one of the Miami station Cubans arrested on the night of the final Watergate break- in. Barker was actually carrying some of the cash left over from these checks when he was apprehended. When Barker was arrested, his bank records were subpoenaed by the Dade County, Florida district attorney, Richard E. Gerstein, and were obtained by Gerstein's chief investigator, Martin Dardis. As Dardis told Carl Bernstein of the Washington Post, about $100,000 in four cashier's checks had been issued in Mexico City by Manuel Ogarrio Daguerre, a prominent lawyer who handled Stans' money-laundering operation there. Liedtke eventually appeared before three grand juries investigating the different aspects of the Watergate affair, but neither he nor Pennzoil was ever brought to trial for the CREEP contributions. But it is a matter of more than passing interest that the money for the Plumbers came from one of Bush's intimates and at the request of Bush, a member of the Nixon Cabinet from February,

(quote from: George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin, Chapter -XII- Chairman George in Watergate at http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm )

Whether you make those specific connections or not, only if you believe GHWB was utterly clean as far as plumber and dodgy financial connections would it make sense to cast him as Deep Throat, who famously told Woodstein to "follow the money".

So I think, anyway.

Edit: Oops! Forgot to cite!