Pharmacist "conscience" clause might include more than birth control pills

[madfloridian]

Who is Karen Brauer? Who are Pharmacists for life? Take heed.


Pharmacists for Life get no scrutiny on TV

Pharmacists for Life president receives media attention, but not scrutiny.

SNIP..."It was a busy week for Pharmacists for Life president Karen Brauer; she appeared on CNN and CBS Tuesday morning, and she was quoted in articles in The Washington Post, the Chicago Sun-Times, and elsewhere. That's a lot of attention for a group that, according to its most recent IRS filings, doesn't have any paid employees and raised and spent less than $30,000 in 2003 (the most recent year for which figures are available.

But while Brauer enjoyed great attention, she escaped great scrutiny. None of those media outlets gave their readers or viewers much information about Brauer or her organization. None mentioned, for example, that Brauer has admitted to lying to patients, and none mentioned her (and her organization's) history of extreme statements. Brauer, for example, has been quoted saying "Birth control serves to make women sexually available to men at the convenience of men and not at the most convenient time necessarily for women. It's really to place women at the service of men."

More about Pharmacists for Life at Media Matters

Brauer and Pharmacists for Life are at the forefront of a growing movement aimed at giving pharmacists the right to refuse to fill prescriptions if filling them would be inconsistent with their moral or ethical beliefs. Thus far, the fight has primarily revolved around birth control prescriptions.

On February 10, the Associated Press reported:

Last year, Mississippi lawmakers passed a bill that allows all types of health care workers and facilities to refuse performing virtually any service they object to on moral or religious grounds. Anti-abortion organizations and a group called Pharmacists for Life are urging pharmacists to refuse to distribute emergency contraceptives."

And here is the worst part: Take heed those of you who think it is ok to withhold birth control from women.

SNIP..."Though "conscience clause" advocates prefer to focus on birth control pills -- and the media reports that cover the controversy do likewise -- their position that pharmacists need not fill prescriptions they disagree with has far-reaching implications. By the same rationale, a pharmacist who believes, as the Rev. Jerry Falwell once claimed, that AIDS is "God's punishment for homosexuals" could refuse to fill a prescription for an AIDS patient. Pharmacists could refuse to fill prescriptions for heart medicine for the elderly, antidepressants for a suicidal patient -- anything."END SNIP

[havocmom]

1. Amazing she managed to pull her head outta her ass long enough to do

an interview.

[Mich Otter]

5. Her head promptly snapped back up her ass..

to the place it is most accustomed to be.

[phylla]

53. Her actions are reprehensible

Speaking as a pharmacist, we do not have the right to override a doctor/patient relationship.

In dispensing and reviewing the patient's profile, we are a safety net to catch errors made by the prescribing MD. In that case alone we can, and should, avoid dispensing the prescription meds until we have it worked out the the MD. ( except for OTC controlled substances that must have records kept of those who are purchasing them...we can refuse to sell to people when we fear or know that they are abusing.)

We are obligated to cooperate to help catch forgeries and abusers (both patient and MD). Some of them are quite devious (think about Rush).

I think that these RXists should find different work. They have lost track of their obligations to the patient.

[RPM]

2. oh my

I was under the impression that women could actually have sex for their own enjoyment...

Perhaps she never has enjoyed sex?

[flamingyouth]

3. Who is she indeed? How many children does she have?

Why is she working outside the home?

I guess these are the questions I'd be asking her if she were on my show...

[ClintonTyree]

8. Did she go to College?

and if she did, did she take SCIENCE courses? :scared: Why isn't she baking bread and taking care of her children? What about THE CHILDREN!

[etherealtruth]

4. Point well taken....

...this allows for a wide array of personal bias/prejudice to occur, with absolutely NO concern for the health, safety and well being of "patients".

[dsc]

6. and as I said before when this was brought up

I would stand behind both the business owner's right to do that and the potential customers right to boycot them for doing so. This is a perfect example of where economic pressure can and will work. Very few companies are going to risk losing the business of either birth control supporters or AIDS victims supporters. The few who do, can be boycotted.

This woman is clearly a nut. I think any employer should have the right to fire her for her conduct, and she was fired. But if she owns her own store, she gets to stock what she wants. And we get to flee from her store and get others to do so.

[zalinda]

10. The only problem with this

is that many people have limited access to more than one drugstore.

zalinda

[dsc]

12. I just plain don't buy that

I have asked repeatedly for examples of this and have yet to have one given to me. I have lived in small locales for most of my life. I have never, as in not once, been in a situation where I couldn't get to several pharmacies in a half hour or so. And getting to one was always nearly equivalent to getting to several (ie getting to one would be the half hour and getting to subsequent ones would be less than five minutes). In addition there is the internet, the mail, and phones.

[tx_dem41]

17. Half hour by car?

What if you don't have access to a car? I have been through many towns in rural Louisiana and Mississippi that have one pharmacy, and some that have none.

[dsc]

20. I did mean by car

not foot. In this one pharmacy town where does this person get the script in the first place? Can they not call the script in and have it mailed? Most pharmacies offer that service. In short, I fail to see this huge problem. And even you haven't either mentioned a town nor a person. The numbers of pharmacies doing this would be miniscule and competition would likely occur almost immediately.

[tx_dem41]

23. Delivered by mail with a shipping and handling charge added.

Perhaps, you are forgetting there are many, many people in the US that live below the poverty level. This isn't really a problem that effects "most of us", so we tend to be blind to the plight of the poor. Even we Democrats sometimes.

Shuqalak, MS is one such town.

[dsc]

28. I get my drugs by mail

and they are cheaper (which is the whole point). If the extra amount is a hardship I would rather have the public pay that extra than force businesses to carry products they don't wish to carry.

[tx_dem41]

32. How did you find out about these drugs-by -mail outlets?

Internet? Most poor people don't have access to the Internet. Telephone? I know many poor people in MS that don't have a phone.

[dsc]

36. My insurance company

they switched me to Medco.

[tx_dem41]

39. Well, it goes without saying, I know many, many poor people...

..that don't have insurance. It sounds like we are the "lucky" ones. I hope we don't sacrifice the less fortunate at the altar of our luck.

[dsc]

44. I have been uninsured for years prior to now

In my adult life I have been uninsured for much less time than I have been insured. We seem to agree on this actually. Pharmacy owners should be permitted to sell what they want but employees should be made to do their jobs.

[tx_dem41]

45. We agree on that principle, with the caveat that I would want to pore..

over the given state's regulations whether they are "fair" or not.

We don't agree on your perception on the availability of pharmacies' and health care in rural America.

[knight_of_the_star]

57. Except rural America isn't where the pinch will be felt most

The big chains would be hurt more by boycotts in suburban and urban areas. While smaller independent rural pharmacies won't be hit, small chain ones will have to change policy if the main corporation does.

[LiberalFighter]

72. Mailed??

Do you truly believe that ALL prescriptions can/should be mailed?

[NightOwwl]

21. Maybe no one is answering because it's a strawman argument.

It's beside the point whether there are 1, 100, or 1000 examples of your scenario. Pharmacist are overriding doctors and refusing to dispense prescribed medications based upon their religious beliefs. That's the issue.

[dsc]

26. Anytime you ask for governmental power to be brought to bear

the very least you should have to show is that there is some need for it. Look what happened with the abortion clinic zones. Now we have them for Bush. Power given to the government for purpose x will always be used for purposes y and z as well. This power would be breathtaking and unprecidented and thus ripe for abuse. Before granting it maybe, just maybe, you should have to show some real need for it.

[havocmom]

33. Only one drug store within 100 miles of where I live. Weather can make

that distance impassable for days or weeks some times. You might consider that not everyone lives the same place you do. Also, some health plans make client use certain pharmacies. There is a lot of restriction on choice of outlets for a lot of the population

[dsc]

38. insurance is irrelevent for bc

since it isn't covered. It would be relevent for the others though. Insurance companies should be required to be sure their patients can get drugs as prescribed. How long do you have to travel to go to a doctor? I bet your doctor could get you drugs if need be.

[havocmom]

43. Um, SOME insurance policies do cover it;

And some cover it when it is to treat medical conditions.

There is a doctor 100 miles from here and a PA in town. The PA cannot carry drugs but can write a script. To get decent medical care, it is 200 miles.

Since there are a lot of rural communities where there are not a lot of alternatives. Might consider that.

Doctors are not phamracists. They have samples the drug reps leave to push their products but I doubt many, if ANY doctors have a phamacy. Some full service medical clinics and HMO clinics do, but then again, that would be in large metro areas, wouldn't it.

[zalinda]

64. Then, I guess you have never been poor

I live in a mixed neighborhood, there is one drug store within a 1 mile radius, give or take a few blocks. You can walk to it, but if you had to take a bus to go to another drug store, it would cost you $3 ($1.50 to get there and $1.50 to get back). And what if that pharmacist says no, you have to find another drug store and spend more money. I don't think you understand what it means when you are proud and are the working poor. Every dollar is accounted for, and time becomes valuable too, as you are probably working 2 jobs just to survive. This is city life, and not a huge city.

On the other hand, my sister lives in Arkansas and it takes her 1/2 hour to reach a drug store. If she can't get what she needs there, she has to find another drug store. Gas prices what they are, how much must she pay so some whack job can now decide what people can and can't have. The time to decide that was when they went to school for pharmacy, not after they have their license. Everyone would be up in arms if this was a racial thing, but religious, they get a pass.

zalinda

[roseBudd]

66. that is not the point MY doctor writes ME a prescription, it is none of

the pharmacists business. Putting ME in a position where I have to go elsewhere because some pharmacist thinks he or she is the morality police is unacceptable. I have signed the petition and I have put WalMart on notice that I will never set foot in that store again as long as they are willing to employ pharmacists who think they are the morality police. And for the record I am no longer on oral contraceptives as I now have an IUD. But this is important for all men and women whether or not they use OC.

[tsuki]

68. There are a lot of pharmacies around here, but I can go to only

two according to my PPO, and they are further away. My PPO is trying to get us to use mail order.

[silverlib]

74. asked repeatedly and answered

via www.switchboard.com

type in pharmacies and name of town and state:

10 minutes worth of research


Aransas Pass, TX 2 pharmacies (1 of which is WalMart) and 1 named Jerry's Discount) What is ol' Jerry doesn't want to see BC or morning after pills?

Kerens, TX - 1 pharmacy (no WaLMart- only Hilliards - but a real town with only one pharmacy)

As I am tired of you referencing this - I did just enough research to prove you wrong - I'm sure real statistics would be amazing.

I have no doubt that this will not win you over and I think you must have a personal agenda -

Gee - I'm also sure that mail order works great for the morning after pill. (referencing your later post)

Peace - .

[silverlib]

75. self delete

[RPM]

11. does the pharmacist own the store???

If not, then tough shit, the pharmacist should sell what the owner wants to sell and what the buyer wants to buy.

As an agent, she has no right to inject her interest into this. By placeing herself between the true buyer (customer) and seller (store owner) she hijacks the economic process, perhaps rendering the economic boycott ineffective.

[dsc]

13. I agree

In her case she worked for KMart and then was fired for her conduct, which KMart had every right, and in her case duty, to do. But if she were at sometime in the future to buy her own store I would feel differently.

[RPM]

22. agreed

unfortunately, we all check a little part of ourselves at the door when going to work. but if it's her own place, go nuts.

[tx_dem41]

25. When a pharmacist is licensed by the state.....

I wonder what regulations and responsibilities they sign up to.

[dsc]

depends on the state

But no state requires pharmacies to carry all drugs at all times. To site one example where people have been heavily incovienced, Oxy Cotin. Many pharmacies won't carry it due to the risk of theft. Yet no one is saying boo. They just quietly refuse to carry which is their right.

[tx_dem41]

35. In the cases that have happened in Texas....

it wasn't a case of a pharmacy not carrying the drug. It was a case of a single employer (pharmacist) refusing to process a script for a drug they carried.

I agree with your point on the pharmacy as a whole.

[dsc]

42. and I agree that employees should do their jobs

I don't agree with carving out a conscience exception for employees.

[tx_dem41]

46. Then, why are we arguing?!? :)

:silly:

[tsuki]

69. According to what I have read, they are protected against being

fired. As an employer, that makes me angry. So now my employees get to decide if they want to sell what I am stocking because they object on moral grounds? They get to collect a paycheck and benefits whether they run my business into the ground or not?

If they feel that strongly about it, they should quit. But, let's face it, they don't want to quit. Their conviction just isn't that deep.

[Warpy]

15. Then you stand for the right for hospitals to refuse to treat gays

health care isn't like a bar or a barber shop. We don't get to pick and choose our patients.

THINK about what you're saying.

[dsc]

24. Hospitals are a different thing

Hospitals have a monoply way more often than pharmacies do. They also deal with people who need care in a more immediate time frame. They are apples and oranges. To offer a comparison. In my yellow pages only two hospitals are listed for my town (of around 50k) and one of those is a surgecenter which is for outpatient surgery only. In comparison there are 15 pharmacies listed. And I know of one other which isn't listed which makes a total of 16.

If hospitals were permitted to do this huge numbers of people would have to travel large distances, in the case of pharmacies none would.

[tx_dem41]

27. I would think that a woman looking to get a script filled for

the morning after pill, is looking for care in an "immediate time frame".

[dsc]

29. and would have 15 choices left

in that time frame, assuming one of them refused. Incidently she acutally wouldn't be all that immediate. It is called the morning after pill for a reason. She has at least 24 hours. A heart attack victim has about 10 minutes.

[tx_dem41]

31. In parts of Mississippi there are several areas that don't have

but one drugstore within 50-75 miles (this can be found by looking at Yahoo Maps). SO, I have no idea where you are getting this "15 choices" idea.

Again, we appear to be looking at this through "middle-class" lenses.

[dsc]

34. I lived in Missippi for two years

and I call bullshit on that. I will look and see but I find it beyond hard to believe that there are several areas with only one drug store in a 75 mile radius. Just the cities I am somewhat familiar with from my stay (Greenville, Greenwood, Indianola, Jackson, Oxford, and the Gulf Coast) would suggest otherwise. But I will do some hunting.

The fifteen come from my town as an example.

[tx_dem41]

37. I spent every summer of my childhood in Greenville and Greenwood.

Conveniently, you have listed fairly large towns (relative to the state as a whole).

Its easy to check this out on Yahoo Maps. You can click on "drug stores" on the right-hand side of the page. I just did. You'll be amazed. Try it in some Western states. You'll really be amazed.

[dsc]

40. Do they list all drug stores?

Or just ones which pay to be listed? That would be a big difference. I listed those since this can be worked at the opposite way (draw 75 mile circles around those cities and what isn't in those circles would be more than 75 miles away from any of those places). I doubt much of the state would be left. I also left off Starkville and Memphis which would actually cover much of what is left.

I could see a possible problem out west if large numbers of stores were to do this. That would make me change my mind. But unless and until that comes to pass I don't want business owners required to carry stuff they don't wish to carry. That is a power the government all too easily could abuse.

[tx_dem41]

47. From my perusal of towns and areas I know very well, they list them..

...all. And don't get hung up on my 75 number I pulled out of my ass. 30-50 miles would be a hardship enough.

[tishaLA]

16. But in the Illinois case, at least,

it seems the pharmacy was violating state regulations, if not laws, when it failed to dispense birth control pills:

The Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation has also filed a formal complaint against the Chicago Osco pharmacy for the Feb. 23 incident.

The pharmacy was cited for "failing to provide appropriate pharmaceutical care to a patient." Penalties could include a fine, reprimand or revocation of the pharmacy's license. link

[Princess Turandot]

73. Sorry, when you go into a health profession, you don't have the same..

discretion as the owner of a hardware store. Pharmacists should have a legal obligation in all states to fill a script for a legal drug written by a licensed physician. They think there's a problem with a script? They call the doctor who wrote it. They don't stock a med? They order it like they do with any other. The allied health professions have an obligation to a patient's health and a professional code of conduct which can never be subordinate to their 'religious morals'. They don't like that, they can sell wing-nuts in Home Depot to their wing-nut friends.

What happens when a private radiology practice decides to stop doing fetal ultrasounds, since they are generally done to find defects in a fetus which could lead to an abortion? How about a private lab deciding they won't do amnio sample testing, or testing for diseases like Tay-Sachs since the results could lead to an abortion?

[NightOwwl]

7. How much would you bet...

that Ms. Brauer has no issue with dispensing Viagra.

[dsc]

9. actually she likely does

She appears to be a very consistent nut.

[Warpy]

14. That's why it's ESSENTIAL to write a letter to your

state's pharmacy board if you run into one of these pious shitheads. They need to have their licenses threatened. If the board gets enough letters of complaint, they will have their licenses pulled.

Pharmacists are not physicians. They don't have the expertise to assess and diagnose every single patient. They don't have a clue whether the woman in front of them is getting those pills because she's promiscuous and doesn't want "consequences," or if she's got endometriosis or dysmenorrhea. He doesn't KNOW. He has NO WAY of knowing. His stupid, godcrazy judgment could end up hurting people very badly. He needs his license pulled and he needs a new profession.

It's as simple as that. If you ever run into one of those guys, do yourself and every other woman a favor and WRITE THAT LETTER to the state board. The phone number is in your phone book. They generally have websites where you can find the address. JUST DO IT.

It's the only way we can get RID of these assholes.

[roseBudd]

67. Boycot the stores who are willing to emply such pharmacists

this must not stand. Five years ago the things the religous right were pulling now would have been unthinkable.

[Cerridwen]

18. What if the customer/patient is ...

black and the pharmacist is Aryan Nation?

Jewish or black and the pharmacist is KKK?

Pick a color or culture and make the pharmacist a member of whatever hate group?

Do we return to days of specific-skin-color only hospitals? specific-skin-color only pharmacies?

What if the pharmacist doesn't agree with the use of experimental treatments?

What if "he" just hates women? No pain killers - "let the bitches suffer in pain"

I won't go on, you get my drift.

[dsc]

30. Your first examples would violate existing laws

and for good reason. There is a difference in not selling a product to anyone, and not selling it to particular people. The first is not illegal the second is depending on the people.

[Solon]

60. What if a member of Aryan Nations or the KKK

worked for a pharmacy and refused to fill any scripts for sickle cell anemia? Look up who is the most likely demographic of this disease if you will, and see the problem apparent there.

[Generic Other]

19. We used to reserve the right to refuse service for any reason

Race, age, disability, creed, citizenship...

I suspect some hefty lawsuits claiming discrimination or pain and humiliation would largely put such pharmacists out of business.

Who knows? One might be able to prove reckless endangerment or sue for child support.

[KittyWampus]

41. I Said As Much Before. This Is Discrimination & Can't Be Allowed.

[SemperEadem]

49. doesn't this go against the 'right to life' issue?

If the drugs have been prescribed by a doctor because she/he sees a need for the improvement of the patient's health (read: life) and a pharmacist takes it upon him/herself to determine, based upon that pharmacist's narrow view and devoid of the medical training/knowledge of said patient's medical history, that they have the right to negatively impact the health (read: life) of said patient, then they are operating at the opposite end of what they claim they espouse as their value---by negatively impacting the right to life for that adult patient.

I don't believe that any pharmacist has the right to interfere in the medical determination of a physician and his patient, no matter what they believe. IF they can't do what the job requires, they should not go into medicine.

I want to know which companies have come out and said "we fill all prescriptions because our patient's health care need is more important than the tender sensibilities of a religous whacko posturing as a medical professional". They are false and should be fired. Let them be preachers and missionaries.

[SemperEadem]

48. That's why I feel that in some cases

the pharmacist should be excluded from the dispensing business and the medications given directly to the patient by the doctor. What her group is saying is that they, without medical training, knowledge of the patient's medical history, may practice medicine on a whim, at their own pleasure, when they don't like the medication being requested by the physician.

I wonder exactly how the pharmaceutical industry feels about this and what they're going to do to set up roadblocks. What are their lobbyists going to do about this little thing?

[madfloridian]

50. Arizona House sides with pharmacists on conscience clause, March 9.

I don't see anymore on this issue. I guess it is law now. They don't seem to realize the difference in the two pills.

http://www.lifenews.com/state940.html

Phoenix, AZ (LifeNews.com) -- The Arizona House of representatives approved legislation that would put in place a conscience clause for pharmacists who don't want to dispense abortion drug and worry about losing their jobs.

The legislation targets the sometimes-abortifacient morning after pill and would cover the dangerous RU 486 abortion drug as well.

The state House approved the measure on a 35-24 vote.

Rep. Doug Quelland, the sponsor of H2541, said doctors in the state are already afforded the right to refuse to be involved in abortions and that right should be extended to pharmacists...."

[tx_dem41]

51. Realize the article you are referencing...

is written by a pro-life group. That means they are slanting the definition of difference in the two pills.

[madfloridian]

52. I know. But many pharmacists do interpret it that way, too, I fear.

One is a birth control, one causes an abortion to occur. I have trouble figuring why pharmacists don't want women to have birth control.

Yes, you are right. That site twists a lot.

[emdee]

54. Sometimes birth control pills are taken for medical reasons...

rather than birth control. It's going WAY too far when a pharmacist or a politician (as in the Schiavo case) has to approve what my doctor and I decide. Must the pharmacist know that I'm taking the birth control pills to regulate periods rather than for birth control or is it none of his/her you-know-what'n business?

:rant:

I vote none of his/her you-know-what'n business! How crazy is this world getting to be?
emdee

[emdee]

55. And, what about condoms?

Will they refuse to sell them too?

These, I'm sure, are the same people who will, then, refuse to help care for all of the babies they helped to create!

emdee

[Pepperbelly]

56. I started doing a bit of research on Karen Brauer a few days ago. links-

http://www.rightgrrl.com/dec97grrl/

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/29/earlyshow/health/main683753.shtml

http://www.gargaro.com/pharmacy/

http://www.consciencelaws.org/Examining-Conscience-Issues/Legal/Articles/Legal22.htm

http://www.cincypost.com/news/suit081399.html

http://www.gargaro.com/kmart/

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=8785

http://www.siecus.org/policy/PUpdates/arch01/arch010018.html

http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/news/features.php?action=fullnews&id=81841

[madfloridian]

58. That lady has a "thang" about the word "thang."

http://www.rightgrrl.com/dec97grrl/congenital.html

"Do you wonder if everyone in the White House needs Halcion for sleep induction? What a mess! Nothing can cover up that much dirt. And all those programs that they invent to "save the children" can't conceal their partial birth abortion thang. These days, I don't think that hating the Clintons is a sin, especially if you're in the military."

http://www.rightgrrl.com/dec97grrl/
"Before the family thang: A.As, Art and Chemistry, B.A., Biology, Thomas More College, M.S., Medicinal Chemistry/Pharmacognosy, Purdue University, B.S. Pharmacy, University of Cincinnati. Did some medical research there also, working on diagnosis of systemic candidiasis, an opportunistic infection of HIV and otherwise immunosuppressed patients. Had a job all the way through school 'cause I'm a regular American. Studied martial arts for 13 years too, 'cause I'm not into being a victim."

Her attitude is ugly. She sounds like a very self-righteous bigot.

[tanyev]

59. It occurred to me today that if this starts catching on,

Big Pharma may not be too pleased with pharmacists interfering with the dispensing of one of their most popular drugs. They would surely unleash the lobbyists--Big Business vs Rabid Fundies. Pull up a comfy chair!

[tsuki]

71. My PPO has been pushing us to go mail order. This may be

the straw that breaks our resolution to shop locally. I wonder (have tried to goggle) how many pharmacists are on duty at a mail order outlet. If they have only one, and do the work of a dozen or so pharmacies, that may soon be a lot of pharmacists out of work.

Who funds this Karen Thang?

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On edit. I put on my tinfoil hat again.

[jayctravis]

61. Has any pharmacist...

ever refused to fill a scrip for Viagara?

[Gloria]

62. Does she have any objections to Viagra prescriptions???

Which makes men what to put women at the service of men even more??

What century are we in, Brauer??

[Liberty Belle]

63. When they start refusing to fill Viagra prescriptions,

we'll see a huge outcry that will put a stop to this nonsense.

[Jade Fox]

65. As a Feminist, I find this woman beyond disgusting....

No doubt she was rescued by the Right from whatever obscure existence
she had previously to become their Spokesperson precisely because
she is a woman, and because she uses twisted, women-as-victims,
feminist-sounding logic to justify what any idiot knows would disempower
women.

[bush_is_wacko]

70. Not only is this woman "morally reprehensible," she appears to be

sexually constipated as well! "Birth control serves to make women more available to men?" What??? I thought birth control was used for several womens' medical maladies, some of which can be quite life altering as well as EXTREMELY painful. I thought BC served to help women actually enjoy intimacy with their husbands whenever THEY wished to be intimate. I have no sexual hangups! i have been with the same man for 20 years and I don't like being told I must be "fertile soil" for my husbands seed! According to this woman since my husband had a vasectomy and I had a hysterectomy we shouldn't engage in sex at all!

Homosexuals are STILL not the ONLY people who contract AIDS and, in fact, THEY have learned to practice safe sex in far greater numbers than their heterosexual counterpart's children have! Black women and youth are STILL very much at risk for that disease!

Doctors are currently handing out antidepressants like candy and I don't think they have the desired effect on MOST people so I can't really comment on this issue other than to say, last I heard a Pharmacists can't prescribe medication and therefore should not be allowed to withhold it either!

Suppose a young black teenager is raped by a HETEROSEXUAL white man on Viagra with AIDS! The poor girl is DOOMED according to this line of thinking! But I bet the HETEROSEXUAL white man will get his AIDS medication while serving his sentence for HIS crime!

[FourStarDemocrat]

76. He'll probrably still receive his Viagra perscriptions as well.

I agree, these people are nuts. They want to return to 17th century Puritanism.