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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:25 AM
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"Where are the Democrats?" Is party's principle to have none at all?
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 09:42 AM by DeepModem Mom
Washington Post op-ed:

Where Are the Democrats?
By Richard Cohen
Thursday, March 24, 2005; Page A19

Rep. Tom DeLay is called "The Hammer." He is a man of fierce beliefs who has long confused politics with war -- religious war at that. At one time he would have been labeled an "extremist," the sort of politician whom reporters seek out for colorful, wacko quotes. But now he is in the GOP mainstream where, among other things, he has bludgeoned the Democratic Party into pathetic meekness. On the Terri Schiavo debate, the party went AWOL....Most of them seemed to be cowering in some bunker, calling their consultants and pollsters, asking what they should do and how they should do it. Please, have a memo on the desk by morning.

You could call this a misreading of public sentiment, and it is that, for sure. When the instant pollsters reported on their instant polls, it turned out that by lopsided majorities the public was appalled at what Congress had done. By a margin of 63 percent to 28 percent, an ABC News poll said Americans supported the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. An even larger majority -- 70 percent -- opposed Congress getting into the act. And for some reason, 67 percent of those polled said Congress was more interested in scoring political points than in Terry Schiavo's fate. As they say in the red states, amen to that....

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....for me the real loser was the Democratic Party. It showed that it's almost totally without leadership. If there is a national figure (other than Barney Frank) who stood up and took on the GOP in this matter, his -- or her -- name does not come to mind. In the Senate, oddly enough, it was Virginia's John Warner who pointed out that he opposed the bill -- and he's a Republican, for goodness' sake. The Democrats were nowhere.

It's not hard to understand why. A vote against the bill would almost certainly be used by some future campaign as a vote in favor of putting Schiavo to death. In a quick TV spot, that sort of stuff can do real damage. At the same time, a fair number of Democrats who were appalled by the bill were reluctant to put their colleagues on the spot. It might have been okay for Ted Kennedy or John Kerry to oppose the bill -- they come from Massachusetts, after all -- but it could be a different story for some Democrat whose state is not quite so blue. Out of consideration for the imperiled, some tongues were clearly held. Still, it seemed that the party's highest principle was to have almost none at all.

Once again, it was a Republican -- Christopher Shays of Connecticut -- who got it right. "This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy," he said....


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61694-2005Mar23.html?nav%3Dmost_emailed_emailfriend&sub=AR


ON EDIT: I posted this piece in response to a poll posted in LBN by struggle4progress, in which we come out hardly better than the Republicans --

Polling Data

Do you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following has handled the case involving Terri Schiavo?

President Republicans Democrats The Media
Approve 31% 26% 28% 43%
Disapprove 52% 47% 42% 46%
Unsure 17% 27% 30% 11%

Source: Gallup / CNN / USA Today
Methodology: Telephone interviews to 620 American adults, conducted from on Mar. 22, 2005. Margin of error is 4 per cent.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=6471

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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:33 AM
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1. I read this yesterday and disagreed
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 09:34 AM by fertilizeonarbusto
The smartest thing to do with this was to give the Rethugs all the rope they demanded and to never appear to be playing politics with thus unfortunate woman's life. I love Richard Cohen, but he's a creature of the Beltway. Rich, man, out here, away from Washington, what people find awful is the Repuke's highjacking of a deeply personal issue for their own political gain. And the polls show people overwhelmingly get this and so do the conversations I have every day with people from all walks of life-including one Evangelical family I know. They had to pull the plug on their father after a massive stroke and they are appalled that *, Jebbie, Cat-Killer and Bugman are doing what they are. I talked to the widow yesterday-she's beyond disgusted. Sorry, Rich, discretion was the better part of valor here. We don't want the stink of this on us.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:38 AM
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3. I posted in response to this poll, posted in LBN...
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 09:40 AM by DeepModem Mom
by struggle4progress, in which we come out hardly better than the Republicans.


Polling Data

Do you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following has handled the case involving Terri Schiavo?

President Republicans Democrats The Media
Approve 31% 26% 28% 43%
Disapprove 52% 47% 42% 46%
Unsure 17% 27% 30% 11%

Source: Gallup / CNN / USA Today
Methodology: Telephone interviews to 620 American adults, conducted from on Mar. 22, 2005. Margin of error is 4 per cent.

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewItem&itemID=6471
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:43 AM
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5. Never trust a Gallup/CNN poll
Wholly-owned subsidiary of Rove, Inc.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:22 AM
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8. Haven't we been giving them rope for a decade or so now?
I think we must be pretty near out of rope. :shrug: Have the Democrats introduced a single bill in six years?
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:36 AM
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2. Malarkey
Why interfere when your enemy is dousing himself with gasoline and reaching for the matches?

This is just silly.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:39 AM
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4. What nonsense.
He seems to be saying that every time the Republicans make complete asses of themselves the Democrats should do the same.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 09:58 AM
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6. that rove don't play fair?
the democrats, so brilliant and nice, are confused....duh: what to do? should we a)oppose the busheviks whom we know are provoking the religious cud chewers to rage by exploiting a contest which they also know they must lose due to national law? b) recognise the rove game plan and ignore the entire spectacle c) recognise the game plan and suggest that ms shiavo be made the ward/responsibility of her family/busheviks etc, thus effectively fukking bushinc- the problem is there are apparently vast numbers of democrats/liberals who believe ms shiavo want to be dead (the debate as framed by bushinc is the only debate) and giving in to nazipoos will mean she must put up with years more of what she's put up with and that will not be allowed even if US democracy must die, and freedom forever made exclusive to rich white folk....
Answer- do what the rove busheviks want. It's easiest. When they're rounding democratic supporters up, demand the nazipoos obey laws before they go 'bang bang'... as if nazipoos/busheviks have ever risked disobeying law!!
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:09 AM
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7. Aren't The Repbugs Really Saying...
...that they believe themselves to represent a morality above the law?

Maybe this is some sort of convoluted gambit to save Bugs DeLay's bacon.
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