Ashley Smith was Brian Nichols hostage gave an interview...he is a Jackel

[ElsewheresDaughter]

I knew he was a Jackel as soon as i saw him and how calm, controled, methodical and disiplined he acted during and after the killings...even the reporter whose green honda he jacked stated "how calm and under control Nichols was acting considering what had just happened" and Ashely Smith said in talking with him over the hours he was in her apartment she had asked him "why he had done it" Nichols replied "I'm a soldier and they told me to kill him I was doing what i was told to do."(not verbadum but, real damn close)

he repeated this same statement to her a few times over the course of her ordeal a few times.

you gotta see this interview!...i stated in another thread in LBN and elsewhere in threads last night and early this morning that "Brian Nichols is a Jackel"

tightening my "tinfiolhat: ...i'm telling you have to watch this interview and listen carefully to what Ashley Smith is saying....

are squirrels running around inside my head?...listen to the interview and you deside :scared:

this judge was targeted IMHO

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. I heard them talking about this on Air America today

but why was he targeted?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. i also believe that Judge Joan Lefkow was targeted for intimidation...

just like the Anthrax sent to democratic senators and liberal news outlets.

[nashville_brook]

11. can you remember which show?

were they talking about BN being a professional?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. it 's on again right now on Larry King

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. Whoever was sitting in for Randi Rhodes

on Friday (I think) It may have been Sat. morn.

[nashville_brook]

26. might have been sam seder

he's been great filling in for her. i'll check the archives.

[cthrumatrix]

42. you create news stories to get your desired result...such as

** constant TV coverage....real news off the screens (Peak Oil)

** you desire more court house security for upcoming civil unrest and you need a 'driving event' to make it happen.


** maybe this is part of a movement to disarm americans..too many guns

[nashville_brook]

2. what's a jackel?

and don't say a hair-metal band -- jackyl with a "Y" -- :)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. "The Company" black pysops killers..they send in "the Jackels" when needed

read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins to understand the Jackels roll in the scheme of it all

[nashville_brook]

6. thanks! can you point me to a link to the interview?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. i saw it on CNN about an hour ago....i hope they replay it and i will try

to locate a link and post it...in the mean time, perhaps someone with more computer savvy can locate the interview and posta link...my computer is an ancient one (Aptiva 1995)

[kentuck]

21. Did she call 911 and report him???

How did they discover his location?

[lavenderdiva]

13. do you mean kinda like that movie 'Manchurian Candidate'?

also, how did they get the name 'jackel'?

[mike_c]

5. but why go through the uncertainty of arrest for rape...

...and so on? Certainly not to get close to a judge whose address is a matter of public record and who is at his most secure when inside a courtroom. That's crazy. The judge could have simply never returned from a trip to the grocery store. Or the auto repair shop. Or whatever. Sorry, even MY tinfoil hat isn't that tight....

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. there are no uncertianties in this type of operation

and they needed a highly visable job to make sure that all the other liberal judges get the messages (Lefkow too), "to be afraid be very afraid to buck the bushco agenda!.....Lefkow was also a Jackel job

ok now i've said what needed to be said and i am dawning my asbestos suit and going to bed...goodnight :7

[nashville_brook]

10. no coincidences

too much bloody judge news for one week, imo.

i'm liking the jackel theory.

maybe there will be a transcript at cnn...

[rooboy]

8. Judges "committing suicide" is much more intimidating.

This doesn't intimidate anybody. New measures will be taken to make the other judges more secure, and the chief of police has his butt on the line if it doesn't happen.

This is just a case of a creepy guy killing someone - too messy for a professional.

[leesa]

18. Perhaps this is the lead-in to all the ultra right judges Bush wants to

pack in. THIS would never happen in their courts, etc...

[hector459]

14. Stunning that Ashley's husband was stabbed to death and died in her arms

Anyone know the story behind this? Perhaps this is why she was so good at negotiating with Nichols?

[nashville_brook]

27. that's a good point!

as someone who has brushed with weird shit like this, i can relate to not taking the confrontational route.

[nashville_brook]

15. the transcript is up on cnn

that IS weird for a rapist to spend all that time alone with a woman and not show any signs of anger or anxiety.

and where'd the picture come from that he showed her?

that story it toooo weird.

and you really have to read the transcript of the interview to get any "facts" beyond all the Bible/Jesus crap.

[nashville_brook]

16. and i mean "crap" in the sense of propaganda

not bashing xtians. bad grammar.

[bluedog]

22. I agree....something

just isn't right about this story.he kills everyone else but she goes free?..........Don't get me wrong.I'm glad shes safe......but...........

[kentuck]

23. He was going to win her trust and sympathy

as a means to escape and then was going to kill her, imo...

[RamboLiberal]

17. Flame away - but I think this lady was naively stupid

Around 6:15 a.m., Nichols says that before sunrise he needs to move the truck he is accused of stealing from Wilhelm.

She agrees to follow him in her car. He leaves the guns under her bed.

As they drive, Smith thinks about calling 911 on her cellphone, but she decides against it. She fears police will come and surround them. There'd be a shootout.

Nichols ditches the truck off Buford Highway, about two miles from the apartment complex.

"Wow, you didn't drive off," Nichols says as he gets into her car. "I thought you were going to."

She drives him back to her apartment. She no longer doubts that she will be set free.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/noads/0305/14hostage.html?UrAuth=`NbNUObNXUbTTUWUXUTUZT
IMHO at that moment she should've booked and called 9-11. The cable nets are all over how she is a heroine. I don't question the woman's courage - she's got that in spades. But I think she's damn lucky things turned out the way they did. Hell, this lady is so good the Bushies should hire her to question terrorist suspects.

[nashville_brook]

25. the thing i love about DU is you can discuss w/o flaming

i think you are right that there is something odd about her trust of him. but i wouldn't call her naively stupid -- it's a well-worn theme of hollywood that the hostage can start to identify with the perp. beyond making a fabulous narrative, there's a well known sociological study that predicts and confirms this submissive behavior.

but i don't think that's what's going on here. the pop-Religious narrative; she had only lived there two days; her dead husband tale; the pancakes; the praying -- it's all too perfect. i think it's made up.

i think that was his extraction.

[nickgutierrez]

28. The term you're looking for is "Stockholm Syndrome", I believe. n/t

[nashville_brook]

31. thanks!

EBT in soc and i can't even remember stockholm syndrome. bad, bad!

[qanda]

19. I said something about this the other day

And a couple of people thought I was crazy. I still say that this guy had some kind of training and when it all comes out I hope people will remember us crazy tinfoilhatters.

[kentuck]

20. He was deceivingly trying to win her trust.....

And then he would kill her later, I think. After shw would get him out of town under cover.... A sick person..

[nashville_brook]

29. what strikes me about this guy is his total lack of nuttiness

no aggitation or anger. cool like Fonzi.

i've brushed shoulders with plenty of metally ill people and the first that goes is an ability to BE COOL. when you are in a room with a nut in a crisis situation you can see the disconnect. their eyes don't focus right. or they sweat. something sets the hair on your neck to bristle.

i'm also intrigued at why she was home alone without her daughter and what she was going to the store for at 2 in the morning. how did he manage to find the PERFECT person to take him in. did he get lucky? did he observe numerous marks? i'm fascinated.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. and Ashley said "he showed me the picture of the agent he killed"...now...

WHERE did Brians Nichols get that picture of the #2 highest ranking customs and immigration agent in the state of GA and why in the hell was he carrying it around in his pocket????

[nashville_brook]

40. that stood out to me too.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. Brian Nichols went to Miliary School from 1 - 8th grade....

his parents work and live in Tanzania, his mom use to be a big muckmuck at the IRS...also isn't it odd that both Ashley and Wilhelm just moved to Atlanta only days before this happened, Ashely moved into that apartment just 2 days before Nichols showed up and Wilhelm also had just moved to Atlanta that week...nobody in their neighborhoods know anything about them :shrug:

[nashville_brook]

45. i'm reminded of Handmaid's Tale

when a person was targeted by the govt as poltically dangerous, the charge they brought them up on was rape -- ostensibly b/c "rape" short-circuits everyone's reason. once they hear "rape" REASON shuts down.

[Must_B_Free]

41. perhaps he took the guy's ID

[ElsewheresDaughter]

44. now why would he do that...it's not as if he could have passed himself off

as Wilhelm

[democracyindanger]

30. Okay, so the CIA

had Nichols rape his girlfriend of eight years, then arranged to have a hung jury so there would be a retrial, and instead of killing the first courthouse officer with his bare hands--you know, like a deadly CIA assassin would be capable of--he shot her, then went into the courtroom and didn't just shoot the judge, but some other people, too, because the CIA apparently loves messy operations, and then arranged him to be caught, because standard CIA procedure is to allow their "jackels" to be put under intense media attention after their missions.

:eyes:

[nashville_brook]

32. the purloined agent

the govt NEVER hangs patsies out to the media.... cough cough... guckert? oswald?

we know what we've been told and it's a whale of a tale. my personal philosophy is that since 1984 and up until 2012, the world is getting progressively weirder. fuck occhams razor! Pabst Blue Ribbon!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Occhams Razor Is Applicable Here

eom

[democracyindanger]

34. *cough cough*

Guckert was a two-bit hack. And if you believe oswald was a CIA assassin, well...

Wait...Nichols?...As in TERRY Nichols of OKC fame? Was this Nichols' family descended from slaves that Terry Nichols' ancestors owned? Was the CIA around in the 1800's and we never knew it? Illuminati! Illuminati!

[nashville_brook]

35. whoa now -- no one said anything about the Shining Ones

it's a beautiful things when discussion can evolve and bloom. there's a lot to have with here -- there's also a lot to question. read the transcript. it's qualitatively diff from the story as it's being reported.

i find that interesting.

i hope i haven't lobbed a firefall by way of enjoying this thread.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. NO he did NOT shoot her he hit her on the head with the gun butt...

just like he did the reporter whose green honda he jacked.

[DU_ONE]

38. Do you mean "Jackel" as in MKULTRA?

Are you using "Jackel" as in brainwashed, programed, MKULTRA killer?

"I'm a soldier and they told me to kill him I was doing what i was told to do."

[ElsewheresDaughter]

39. no actually he said" I am a soldier and these are my people, I did what

I was told to do" and Ashely said "he showed her a picture of the agent he killed(Wilhelm)" now where did he get it and why the fuck was he carrying it around in his pocket or wallet????...


listen closely to what she is saying...it is very odd

and yes to the first part of your question

listen to what they are saying about him onLarry King right now