Reid talks a good game

[LittleClarkie]

But I'm starting to think Kerry was right. What victory? We don't have a victory on SS yet. And with this latest Bankrupsy bill vote, I'm starting to wonder if he is indeed fighting hard enough.

I know, I know, picking his battles and all. But dang.

What say y'all?

[JI7]

1. well, Reid can't be blamed for the other Senators

i think Reid is still a good choice for Senate Leader even though there might be disagreements.

but as for the other Senators you can't blame Reid on them.

[LittleClarkie]

8. I thought part of his job was to get them voting as a group

but then he voted for the damn thing too.

I suppose they pick and choose. He'd better stand his ground on the judges and SS, I must say.

[Mass]

9. If this was not a bill worth fighting for

what is?

[JI7]

11. he doesn't have much control over them

i know these Senators who voted for it and am not surprised by most of them.

Senators are elected by the people of the state they are from. they don't have to listen to the democratic leader if they don't want to.

Durbin is part of the leadership also and he opposed it and i'm sure he tried. but i sure wont blame him for those who voted for it.

[Mass]

13. Has he control over his own vote

He voted for the bill. This is why I refuse your argument.

I agree with Krugman that anybody voting for this abomination should not be reelected.

[JI7]

15. i'm not talking about his own vote

you can disagree and blame him for his own vote but i'm talking about the other Senators. i know their history and am not surprised at the way they voted and i don't blame Reid for their votes.

[Selatius]

2. Winston Churchill: "If you are going through hell, keep going."

[Mass]

3. He voted for the bill

Why do you expect him to fight against it. He did the best he could under the circumstances, vote against cloture so that those who opposed the bill could continue to send amendments.

This said, I agree Reid is a little bit disappointing, but I doubt Dodd would have been better.

[JI7]

5. Reid is probably a lot better than Dodd

we are still a minority so there isn't much he can do. but i think he does a pretty good job considering the position our party is in.

[Mass]

7. REid is disappointing even if Dodd may have been worse.

I am mad that he voted for the bill, but this explains a lot.

Durbin did a great job trying to hold everything together, but when two members of the leadership (Reid and Stabenow) are against the bill, you can only do so much!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. Yes, I expect fight.

I expect fight for the common folk of the United states every day, for it is by their votes, for the senators and congressmen, that they find themselves in Washington today. I expect Democratic congress members to be fighting, tooth and nail, every bloody and painful step of the way. They wanted the job, part of that job is to jump into the breach and hold it to the last man or woman. For us. Their constituents.

The black flag is flying here, tonight. No quarter, no prisoners. They seem to have set the rules. Fine. So let us fight by their rules.

It is time for Democrats to now fight their own.

[Malva Zebrina]

16. yup

He did the best he could and we should all just enable all of those traitors because they did the best they could do and take what it handed out to us because of their sincere efforts in doing the best they could do.

Sure

We the people have become the enemies of the state, apparently.

Even to some twenty members of our own party.

Is there not something wrong with that? Can we not see that there is something very wrong with the party here? Can anyone in their right mind excuse this from their own party?

This system, imo, is irretrievably broken beyond repair when so many of our own party can declare along with the Bush fascists that we are indeed the enemy for simply wanting a simple thing such as protection from want, if for some reason, we need to go bankrupt.

It is shameful and there is nothing to be proud of in this system any longer.

We are being blown about like leaves in the wind by those who are only thinking of their own survival in the hallowed halls of congress, where they will not have a worry in the world about health care or will never ever need to go bankrupt unless they are advised to do so by their accountants and lawyers and can even hold on to their assets due to their wealth, while we the people, now, cannot.

Twenty or so, who are members of our own party.

And there is nothing to stop it as far as I can determine.

Work harder for the party? That is a joke. It is NOT up to us, it is UP TO THEM who were duly elected to stand for this party. Why must we continue to work like dogs, taking every bit of extra time to work hard to save this party, when this is what they hand us?

Sorry, it is so shameful as to put me into some sort of double bind and so seriously to question in reality, the aims of this party.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. I am very dissapointed...

In a lot of Democratic Senators tonight. As someone who donates no small amount of time and effort to his local Democratic Party, every week, they have succeeded in taking a lot of the fun out of it.

Sen. Reid, I may meet you someday. May. You can expect I will give you an earful, to just this side of abusive. Very close to the line.

To the Dem Party lurker operatives that might see this:

You better get the word out to them. Their time grows short, as does the time of a lot of good people who became active in the party over the last few years. You toss us overboard and we will do the same to you. You would do well to get Gov. Dean apprised of the situation. His job just became all that much harder.

Consider this fair warning. There is no levity in what I have posted.

[hatrack]

6. Talks a good game, then votes for that abomination of a bankruptcy bill

I don't want to hear about "political realities", I don't want to hear about Reid's need to "heed his constituents", I don't want to hear about "picking our battles", I don't want any more TACTICAL BULLSHIT!!!

Everyone knew the bill would pass, so why should Reid have NOT voted against it?

Everyone knows that hundreds of thousands of people across this country are going to be well and truly FUCKED by banks and CC companies, that this is the biggest giveaway to the financial sector imaginable.

Oh, but I'm sorry, we must not upset any holy donors. We must not stir up "trouble" by trying to represent ordinary Americans. We must not rock the Beltway Boat.

FUCK Reid and every Democratic Senator who voted for this piece of shit. FUCK THEM.

[KoKo]

12. Daschle did the same thing. Reid has to Lead... He can't talk out of

both sides of his mouth at the same time and expect to be taken seriously. Maybe he thought no one would be watching what he did. If so he's pretty unsophisticated about what's going on on the Internet.
:-(

[European Socialist]

14. SS will be ok.

For some reason the public gets this one. Maybe the Chimp's big deficit or the last 5 years of the stock market has them scared.

[flpoljunkie]

17. That remains to be seen. This vote was a sellout--plain and simple.

[whistle]

18. The democratic party is disintegrating and as far as I'm concerned

...needs to file bankruptcy

[DELUSIONAL]

19. Reid is a phony -- he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk

he voted to screw the working poor -- and he could care less because he has life time welfare& health care as a Senator.

He is a DINO -- is he GOP lite. He is a useless piece of crap.

We we a Minority Leader who is truly for the people and is willing to fight for us. Reid is NOT that man.

He puts on a show but when it comes down to the VOTE -- he tells us -- screw you, I got mine and I don't care what you all think.

He is a male chauvinist pig.

It is amazing how people fall for his song and dance of acting tough -- it is ALL A SHOW.

Early on he said he doesn't like to fight -- he likes to dance. Well this is exactly what he is doing -- dancing for his keepers.

Next time he puts on his sham fight -- most Dems will forget that he just stabbed them in the back. "Gee I'm impressed, he is fighting." -- we will see variations of that statement anytime he shows his sham spine. He is a big phony.