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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:50 PM
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Was Cheney's Innapropriate dress signaling he's a "Holocaust Denier?"
What are Jews and others across the world who lost relatives in Auschwitz to think of Cheney's "Fargo" parka and boots stunt?

There's no way this was accidental. There are strict protocols for all our Government Representatives, as to what is appropriate attire for foreign vists. This isn't just Cheney "thumbing his nose" at the World, it's him dishonoring those who died in the holocaust.

The more I look at those photo's the more I think he was sending some kind of message. But, what?

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FW_ Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:51 PM
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1. For me
having relavives that were in concentration camps and being Jewish I was appalled at his lack of class and good judgement. I wouldn't lump him into the same category as Mel Gibsopn's dad but Cheney was in the wrong.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:51 PM
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2. Primarily that he and Bush don't give a crap what the rest of the world
think about what they do.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:54 PM
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3. My take on it is more complex
Given that the traditional thinking is that so much of what Fuckface has gotten us into in Iraq, and the posturing at Iran, has to do with his being owned by Sharon and all of Israel, I see what Cheney did - the complete and utter disrespect shown by his shameful choice of apparel - as a way of pandering to the neocon anti-Semites. It's their way of saying, "Hey, look at how Dick dressed for that fucking stupid ceremony. Who cares about a bunch of dead Jews who can't vote?"

My rabbi happens to agree with me, and delivered a sermon on that exact subject this morning.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:13 PM
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7. You think the neo-cons are anti-Semites?
Most of their ideologues are Jews-in-name. I know that Jews can be anti-Semites, but I don't think it's a cornerstone of the neo-cons, per se. It's a demarcation between neo-cons and paleo-cons.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:35 PM
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28. I don't think being Jewish enters into anything they do
I think they're opportunistic fucks who would do and say anything to get what they want, which is, in the end, power.

It's all about power.

What they don't understand is that they're beyond power, in that no-man's-land of eternal debt, and that China owns our ass, and will, probably forever.
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ProgressiveWarrior Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:03 PM
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34. Japan also owns a significant chunk of our debt load
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 05:03 PM by ProgressiveWarrior
Of the 83% of our deficit that is held in foreign hands, 86% is funded by Asians. Within that 86%, Japan holds over a third and China the rest.

But it's Bush's fault, not China's. Bush tax cuts are responsible for
2/3 of the current deficit, according to the CBO (Congressional Busget Office), which is non-partisan (often contradicting the budget information that the White House distributes for public consumption).

And China no longer sees our currency as a good investment, as per their comments at the recent G8 conference.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:45 PM
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45. Trust me, they hate Arabs more than they love Israel n/t
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:48 PM
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46. Oil, my friend... Texas Tea!
Israel is positioned correctly with an elite fighting squad ready to go down in the name of their personal charge. Mere parts of Bushivitz & Co. plan. Most Re-pukes are anti-Semitic, anti-black, anti-gay... it's White Supremacy for World Order of that Eastern pipeline.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:15 PM
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9. I'm confused. I think Cheney is a war criminal, but
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 03:16 PM by KC21304
I thought most of the neo-cons were pandering to Israel ? Isn't that why we went to war, to make the area safe for Israel ? I don't think he meant to dis the dead Jews. I think he just goofed up big time on this and I love to look at that picture.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:03 PM
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20. Making the world safe for ISRAEL????
Oh please. Since when is throwing the Middle East into chaos, inviting terror and increasing anti-Semitism exponentially, making the world safer for Israel or for any Jews anywhere?

The war was about OIL and about advancing American corporate interests in the area and if possible, grabbing some territory for permanent bases. And, if you are using oil, to heat your house or drive your car, if you are a well-fed citizen of the US, you need to look at what these comforts have meant to your well-being over the span of your life.

The fact is this: no resident of an industrial nation can continue to deny his/her dependency upon oil. No resident of these nations, especially the US which is the GROSSEST user and polluter of all, can afford to ignore the effects of oil on the environment. None of us can ignore, any longer, the deleterious effects on the residents of oil-producing regions, and the geo-political stresses involved in procuring oil.

World Wars have been fought over priceless resources and oil is the primary fuel that gives the industrialized world its might and its wealth. It is the primary fuel that gives YOU your CAR, your mobility, your ability to hop on Southwest Airlines for a pittance.

ALL of us need to stop blaming outside conspiracies, such as the everpresent Zionists, who in my youth were said to be in league with the Communist One World Conspiracy and now are supposedly in league with the NeoCons and the Dominionist Christians, go figure, and LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

We must make all haste to develop alternate fuels. We must begin by voting with our feet - literally - stop driving as much as possible, for a start. The only way to change matters is for individual AMERICANS to stop blaming Israel for this war and take a good hard look in the mirror and take steps, individually and as a group, to reduce our dependence upon oil and the corporations who provide it to us. We must stop buying gigantic gas-guzzling cars. We must stop using off-road vehicles, motor boats, snow-mobiles and other noisy and polluting toys, at least until they can run on something besides OIL.

We've enjoyed a comfortable existence for a long, long time. People in other nations have suffered for our comfort. The environment is DYING for our comfort. It is time to be accountable for our privileges, and act creatively to ensure that this planet survives and that this great nation not go blindly into open-ended warfare on behalf of OUR oil habit.

It will take time. It will take energy. It will take investment capital and creativity. But most of all, FIRST OF ALL, it will take the willpower of the American people to lead the way toward clean, geopolitically neutral energy.

Finally, it is time to stop blaming the Jews for every damn misfortune that occurs on this planet.

TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT Mr. V.P. CHENEY. He is the face of big oil. And you are his CUSTOMER. YOU have to decide to stop buying his product.

Shalom.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:26 PM
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23. Well said. nt
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:33 PM
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27. I think you're oversimplifying a complicated scenario
Yes, I agree with you that oil was a factor, but the machinations are much more involved and subtle. For instance, the ongoing friction between Israel and Iran, and how the United States has consistently been a part of keeping that going, all in the interests of using Israel as the battering ram the US might need in order to attack Iran.

While I agree with you about the need to decrease our dependence on oil, there is, at present, no viable and affordable alternative, so, for the time being, he who has the oil wins. But, in the meantime, you've also got to consider the history of Israel, the United States, and the entire Middle East. It's dizzying.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:24 PM
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22. Right... Because the country the Bush Administration
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 04:28 PM by impeachdubya
is most interested in Pandering (or should I say "Bandar-ing") to in the region is... Israel.



Yeah, right.

You are confused.

The ONLY reason the GOP has any interest in Israel whatsoever is because the "Left Behind" kooks believe that the Jews need to control that particular real estate for Jeebus to come back. At which point, the Jews (along with the rest of us unbelievers) are screwed.

We went to war for oil, we went to war to raid the treasury and funnel billions of dollars to corporations like Halliburton and Bechtel, we went to war because Bush likes to go to war, we went to war because it gets the testosterone going in the golf-ball sized lizard brains of millions of dumbfuck truck driving middle Merkins who then forget the fact that they don't have jobs and their families don't have health insurance... What we didn't do was go to war "for Israel".. that's a crock. Probably as many Israelis are against this war, percentage-wise, as Americans, and most Israelis know that after we're through making a thorough mess of the fucking region, they're still going to be there and are going to have to deal with the results.



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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:30 PM
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26. There's no greater anti-Semite than a self-loathing Jew
Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feirth, others in that cabal are all, in my opinion, warmongers of the highest order who would exploit anyone and anything in order to advance their agenda. I don't think they're necessarily affectionate towards the idea of Israel, but they've positioned themselves as defenders of Zionism so as to get their hands on places like Iraq.

I can't look at that picture. It's far too upsetting. I lost family there.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:22 PM
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53. I am sorry for your loss and when I said I loved looking at the picture
I meant because Cheney looked like such a doofus. That was insensitive of me for not thinking of the whole picture, so to speak.

I understand now from this answer what you meant in #3. I agree with you about the warmongers and they are joined by Rumsfeld, Cheney, and more.

Despite what Colorado Blue said, I didn't say I blame " the Jews " for anything, much less for "every damn misfortune that occurs on the planet " My confusion was with your depicting the neo-cons as anti-Semite but I understand now what you were saying. Sorry for any misunderstanding.












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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:28 PM
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56. Proof that Likud/PNAC planned to invade Iraq & Syria long before 9-11-01
Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right as a means of foiling Syrias regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq. This has triggered a Jordanian-Syrian rivalry to which Asad has responded by stepping up efforts to destabilize the Hashemite Kingdom, including using infiltrations. Syria recently signaled that it and Iran might prefer a weak, but barely surviving Saddam, if only to undermine and humiliate Jordan in its efforts to remove Saddam.

But Syria enters this conflict with potential weaknesses: Damascus is too preoccupied with dealing with the threatened new regional equation to permit distractions of the Lebanese flank. And Damascus fears that the 'natural axis' with Israel on one side, central Iraq and Turkey on the other, and Jordan, in the center would squeeze and detach Syria from the Saudi Peninsula. For Syria, this could be the prelude to a redrawing of the map of the Middle East which would threaten Syria's territorial integrity.

Since Iraq's future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly, it would be understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting the Hashemites in their efforts to redefine Iraq, including such measures as: visiting Jordan as the first official state visit, even before a visit to the United States, of the new Netanyahu government; supporting King Hussein by providing him with some tangible security measures to protect his regime against Syrian subversion; encouraging through influence in the U.S. business community investment in Jordan to structurally shift Jordans economy away from dependence on Iraq; and diverting Syrias attention by using Lebanese opposition elements to destabilize Syrian control of Lebanon.


This is taken from a document called "A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm". Richard Perle and Douglas Feith of PNAC are credited as 2 of its authors and the document was written in collaboration with the Likud Netanyahu government. The foundation which the PNAC manifesto built on was clearly laid out here.

Here's the whole thing : http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:01 PM
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41. I actually wondered about this angle myself
Wondered if the idiots were trying to appease their Saudi cohorts et al by having him make such an inappropriate spectacle of himself.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:56 PM
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4. I'm really wondering about the hat
I know it was from Jacksons Hole, but that "Staff 2001" seems to be a direct message more than a faux pas. Could he have been signaling this "people" that he was a member of the 2001 efforts of politcal and ethnic cleansing begun by his administration?

Was he saying that he was carrying on that fine tradition begun there?

I can't help from thinking that it was a signal of something even more evil than we have ever seen before. EVER.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:48 PM
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59. I wouldn't read too much into the hat.
I think the entire ensemble was a big fuck you. I just can't figure out who it was to, though I suspect it was a fuck you to Europe in general.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:17 AM
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63. Hi Sydnie you are very perceptive as is my Wife
One of the first things she said to me when she read the yahoo article and saw the picture was he's sitting in front of Auschwitz wearing a
"Staff" hat.

As soon as she said it the penny dropped for me also.

The message could not be more loud or clear.

The far right in America including the bush** administration have generational ties to the Nazi Party.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
Saturday September 25, 2004
The Guardian

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

More

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00....
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:37 AM
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65. I can't think of any other reason he would have shown up with a hat
that was three years old from a place that he so obviously WASN'T a staff member of in 2001, unless it was an intended silent statement. This man has never been photgraphed before (that I have ever seen anyway) with a cap of that type from any place with any kind of writing on it. Why now and why that particular hat?

Your wife and I are on the same wavelength for sure!
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:58 PM
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5. Please don't disrespect 'Fargo' in this way.
it's a nice place and probably a state of mind too.
people from Fargo would never think of insulting people as Cheney did.
they'd probably bring hot dishes (casserole to the rest of us so serve after the ceremony. after all, Scandinavians grieve by eating.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:15 PM
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8. Fargonians wear black to funerals, that movie was in Brainerd
potluck hotdishes or perhaps a schmorgesbord. But we always wear black to funerals and this was one.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:44 PM
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18. i think you misread my post. I know how they dress.
i grew up midway BETWEEN Brainerd and Fargo, and the woman who played one of the hookers married a good friend of mine.

this by the way led to some interesting conversations:
Me: Did you hear that John B. got married?
anyone else: No kidding. Who'd he marry.
me: The hooker from Fargo.
anyone else: John married a hooker from Fargo?!?
me: No, he married THE hooker from "Fargo."

the one that has the line, "Go Bears!"

all i was saying is the people from Fargo, the city, not the movie, should not be compared to a mean-spirited twit like Cheney.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:29 PM
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25. You bet, I know and agree. Bah on Cheney
You were friend of the hooker? cool. I'm agreeing with your sentiment regarding don't compare Cheney with Fargo.

Although I guess people need some sort of reference and if "Fargo" (aka brainerd) is what they have for puffy parka reference, that's how it goes. Sort of like singing a stupid song (aloha hoy) when you hear a Hawaiian reference. I grew up in Fgo found the movie quite amusing, though a bit gross. Cheney I just find gross.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:00 PM
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6. He Looked Like He Was Tailgating At A Packers Games!
All he needed was an Auschwitz penant and a hot dog and the picture would be complete. Amazingly, these guys never fail to top themselves in the outrageous category.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:19 PM
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10. Anyone have a link to a photo for those who missed it? nt
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:31 PM
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14. Here it is.
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 03:33 PM by KC21304
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:41 PM
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16. Thanks. My guess is he thought he might be able to travel
incognito and blend in with the hoi polloi in case they attempted to arrest him for his war crimes. Wouldn't that have been fitting? How disrespectful!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:33 PM
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15. Here are the photo's and snip from article:
It's also posted on DU Front Page...but here's the snip...






http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43247-20 ...

Dick Cheney, Dressing Down
Parka, Ski Cap at Odds With Solemnity of Auschwitz Ceremony

By Robin Givhan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 28, 2005; Page C01

-snips-

At yesterday's gathering of world leaders in southern Poland to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, the United States was represented by Vice President Cheney. The ceremony at the Nazi death camp was outdoors, so those in attendance, such as French President Jacques Chirac and Russian President Vladimir Putin, were wearing dark, formal overcoats and dress shoes or boots. Because it was cold and snowing, they were also wearing gentlemen's hats. In short, they were dressed for the inclement weather as well as the sobriety and dignity of the event.

The vice president, however, was dressed in the kind of attire one typically wears to operate a snow blower.

Cheney stood out in a sea of black-coated world leaders because he was wearing an olive drab parka with a fur-trimmed hood. It is embroidered with his name. It reminded one of the way in which children's clothes are inscribed with their names before they are sent away to camp. And indeed, the vice president looked like an awkward boy amid the well-dressed adults.
------------

Just last week, in a frigid, snow-dusted Washington, Cheney sat outside through the entire inauguration without so much as a hat and without suffering frostbite. And clearly, Cheney owns a proper overcoat. The world saw it during his swearing-in as vice president. Cheney treated that ceremony with the dignity it deserved -- not simply through his demeanor, but also through his attire. Would he have dared to take the oath of office with a ski cap on? People would have justifiably considered that an insult to the office, the day, the country.

...........The vice president might have been warm in his parka, ski cap and hiking boots. But they had the unfortunate effect of suggesting that he was more concerned with his own comfort than the reason for braving the cold at all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:56 PM
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48. Disgraceful!
Hmmm... Let's see.

Bushite & Rove(er) could not attend. After all, their granddaddy's made big $$$ building those death bldgs. If one were to really look at that photo, doesn't Cheney look embarrassed, or more so "ticked" that he even had to be there... just a thought.

Still, I detest Mr. Halliburton who's stocks were very high the day this occurred.

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:20 PM
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11. Cheney's trip to Auschwitz wasn't about mourning, it was about planning...
....namely, all those neat Halliburton camps that will soon be built all over Iraq, and probably all over this continent in the not too distant future.

He wasn't there to remember the Jews, he was there to study the floor plans.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:28 PM
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12. I just see a surly, classless horse's ass
who perhaps didn't think that the formal coat was going to be warm enough.

The message he was sending was that he'd rather be warm and comfortable than follow protocol and show respect.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:30 PM
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13. Cheney went to Auschwitz to see how to improve on the Nazis
We already have concentration camps in Guantanamo and elsewhere. It is only a matter of time before we have extermination camps.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:41 PM
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17. No, he's just a thoughtless moron
"Like other attendees, the vice president was wearing a hat. But it was not a fedora or a Stetson or a fur hat or any kind of hat that one might wear to a memorial service as the representative of one's country. Instead, it was a knit ski cap, embroidered with the words 'Staff 2001.' It was the kind of hat a conventioneer might find in a goodie bag.

"It is also worth mentioning that Cheney was wearing hiking boots -- thick, brown, lace-up ones."
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:54 PM
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19. This was not a fucking mistake
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 04:08 PM by DoYouEverWonder
You don't wear a HUNTING OUTFIT, with a knit cap that says STAFF 2001 to the 60 anniversary of a concentration camp unless you are sending a real strong signal to the world about what a bad ass mother fucker you really are. Some one who is such a bad ass that he thinks nothing of killing over 3000 of his own people in 2001 for political gain.

FUCK YOU DICK CHENEY AND THE HORSE'S ASS YOU RODE IN ON.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:27 PM
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24. If you read my post.....which you didn't
you would know I didn't say it was a "mistake." In fact I said the very opposite. :shrug:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:42 PM
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54. I didn't mean to direct my comments to you
I was just ranting because so many people on all these threads have been making excuses for Cheney's behavior.

I really didn't mean to imply that you had said anything wrong.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 04:47 AM
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84. Excellent Post! Cheneys parka and cap were very disrespectful!
Edited on Mon Jan-31-05 05:26 AM by TheGoldenRule
I post on another board that really isn't a political site, but has an almost even mix of dems and freepers and I couldn't believe it but there were very few posts that were negative in regards to Cheneys disrespectful football game parka and knit cap-except mine-lol! But, seriously-I was floored by this. The freepers-of course-I expected their clueless b.s. attitude. But the rest of the dems over there could have cared less. Their apathy about this and many other topics just makes me feel that we have such an uphill battle to climb when people who are at least politically aware don't even expect much from the * administration! I can't help but worry and wonder; How are we ever to get the majority of the population to care and take the action that's needed to kick these bastards to the curb?!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:11 PM
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21. a way to show the contempt for the rest of the world
that is at the core of the US right wing belief system.

it's a plain message - "We don't have to follow your rules - we make our own."
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:36 PM
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29. I think he was sitting with people that he hates: foreigners, Frenchies
and Krauts and other flotsam that stand between him and the rapture. Actually, I think Bush believes in the rapture. Cheney believes in money and he was giving the finger not only to the 'foreigners' around him but to the memory of the Holocaust. He's a hater and this was a duty that bored him. Bastard.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:56 PM
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33. his posture said it all -
I'm bored, I don't want to be here.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:42 PM
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37. He just needed to "flash the bird" to make the pix complete...but,
either he's lost his mind...or there was a message there. I can't imagine that any children of holocaust survivors or anyone who is in Israel who is a child of a holocaust survivor wouldn't have taken offense at his appearance.

I think he's not sane...so I'm putting it down to "acting out" before he finally gets put in the straight jacket. He and the "Chimp" should have to share the same room...when they are taken away.

But, the more rational side of me says he hasn't lost his mind but that this was a sign of the NEW BUSH FOREIGN POLICY! Does it mean "Anti-Israel?" Does it mean denying that anyone died there in that horrible place? Does it mean "Screw You" to Old Europe?

What....I see this as much more serious than most posters on this thread. What he did was a break from "protocol." It was beyond rude...it was abominable...It will be taken badly by most of the world..

Why would he do this?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:55 PM
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39. why would he do it?
I really think it was just a big "fuck you" to the rest of the world. I think it's just that simple. He knows Europe doesn't like him or Bush - he's saying - "we don't care if you like us - your opinion doesn't matter - we will do what we want".

And I doubt he's much concerned with pissing off American Jews - most of them vote Democratic. That is the way these people think.


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:14 PM
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50. Okay....but I still think there's more to it. What about the
Likkud Israeli's that we are supposed to be spreading Democracy in the ME to protect. I can't imagine any Israeli...Likkud or not being impressed with Cheney's appearance and demeanor...?

And, I disagree that all Jews vote Dem...there's lots that vote Repug because like all of us we vote with our consciences or pocketbooks. Just like saying all Irish vote Dem because of JFK... It's pretty well split because my Irish descendent friends are all Repugs? So who can figure that all Jews vote Dem anymore. :shrug: The country is all split up these days with all this bizarre stuff going on. And, 9/11 did change many of my friends who leaned Dem into flaming Repugs who want to bomb every Islamic Country into the stone age.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:00 PM
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55. I think about 75% of Jewish voters were for Kerry. n/t
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:59 PM
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49. Oh, I so agree!
Hit the nail! Bastard is right!

:mad:
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:10 PM
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42. I tend to think yours is the most simple explanation
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 07:10 PM by Carni
Fat ass renegade man doesn't have to bow to the conventions of "Old Europe"

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:36 PM
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30. I Think He Was Going For An Eisenhower Look... The GOP Handlers
are so out of touch they thought it'd work.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:43 PM
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31. He WAS SIGNALING, but to his BOSS
I've said this on other threads, but it bears repeating.

I think Cheney is being punished at the head cheerleader for the neocons. The war is a mess, and weecowboy knows it. So Cheney has to be punished for his sins, by being relegated to TRADITIONAL VP duties--duties he has NEVER PERFORMED in the previous four years. You know, the rubber chicken circuit, the funerals, the international meetings where you have to send someone of "stature" or you look like a shit--it was always Powell who got stuck with this shit, and occasionally Poppy and Clinton would do a funeral or two for him, but Bush is very picky about where and when he goes, and Cheney has never been the funeral/memorial guy.

So Cheney did it, because he was ordered to, and HAD to, but decided to say "Fuck YOU!" to his boss by wearing that outfit, hoping that Condi will be stuck with these sorts of duties from now on.

I'd love to have heard the conversation about his wardrobe choices. You know there had to be one. Remember, this is the president who excoriated the Clinton penis for being waved about in the Oval Office, who always wears his stupid little ill fitting suit coat in that room, who would NEVER wear jeans in the White House.

Hiking boots, a parka, and a freebie knit cap with advertising on it? That would not be allowed in the BushCo OVAL OFFICE, so why is it OK at a memorial of this significance?

Cheney was flipping off Bush, I'm convinced!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 10:03 AM
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69. your theory is the most intriguing one....MADem
I am flabbergasted at this photo but only could come up with either

1. It's photoshopped
2. Air Force 2 lost his luggage

Your explanation is hilarious MADem...LOL...this historic "wardrobe failure" is so bizarre I am inclined to believe what you say.

I'm sure Condi will dress more appropriately for such occasions, but keep us posted if you see any more signs of Cheney rebellion. Meanwhile I will have fun fantasies about the Shadow President fluffing his feathers for the boss' benefit. More i look at this picture, the more it morphs into the back side of a prairie chicken in testy male display posture...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:08 AM
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70. MADem...that's interesting...I'll have to think about that for awhile.
I think my question about what you say would be that if Cheney is the Real President (many of us think that) then why would he be flipping off Bush? Cheney's the darling of the PNAC'ers so would he want to flip the bird to those who died at Auschwitz when many of the PNAC'ers are Jewish.

But, your point about him being blamed and the Chimp sending him would make sense since Chimp is vindictive....interesting.... :think:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:57 PM
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78. I don't think Dick is the real president anymore
I agree with those who thought that he was, for a time, but I think the minute Iraq started heading south, and the weecowboy was the one on the hot seat, he started looking around and getting advice from others. Which others? Well...who just got the Number One In the Cabinet Line of Succession job? And Rove, Mr. Junior College Evil Genius--he's not leaving. Look at those closest to the Chimpster on a day to day basis, there's your co-presidency for this next installment of the regime.

I think the more heat weecowboy took over the neocon missteps, the more he pushed away those whose advice he once trusted. Now, he's dodged the big bullet and has four more years, so he's in a punishing mood. And where, really, can Dickie go? Back to Halliburton? Hell no!

And Big Dick? He's stuck. He hitched his wagon to a chimp, and he has to drive that fucker until the wheels come off. Once upon a time, the weecowboy needed him. Now, weewee has consolidated his power, put lackeys like Frist up front, marginalized Lott to keep him in line, strengthened Delay, ensured that Hastert is waddling in lock-step...

Chimpy consolidated his strengths. He's identified his loyal soldiers, rewarded them, given them perks, and marginalized those who aren't shouting his name and giving him the stiff-armed salute.

I do think Dickie is in the doghouse. And the scariest thing is, he now has no choice but to take orders from Mr. Poopy Flightsuit. That is what is the scariest part of all this!
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bajamary Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:46 PM
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32. It signals his contempt
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 04:47 PM by bajamary
The VP is a professional person/bureaucrat/CEO who clearly knows that how one is dressed can say a great deal about the person. Either that or all those multi thousand dollar suits he and W wear are just for kicks.

So dressing in a ski outfit parka and mountain boots at such a solemn occasion reveals exactly what he wished, that the USA is an island unto itself, where the brave men from Texas and Wyoming need not gussy up like those other presidents, premiers and religious leaders. Heck no, they're the kings of America. Why should they dress properly at a ceremony that marked the liberation of one of the most atrocious places the modern world has ever seen?

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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:14 PM
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35. Yes , I do think
he was sending a message. And for those of you that think that's overreacting, I say this: of course he's not going to wear a Nazi uniform and chant anti- Semitic slogans. He couldn't get away with not, NOT YET, although the whore media would STILL excuse it if he did. But it was a signal, just as chimpy's visit to Bob Jones and his disrespectful actions on MLK's birthdays in years past have been signals. They are stage managed and scripted in everything they do, and nothing is left to chance. This was an important, public event. There is not other explanation other than a non-verbal message to their base. And that is truly an appropriate word for the "base" individuals that are impressed by these antics. :puke: :mad:
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:15 PM
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36. It signals he is a big dork.
We're dealing with people here, not Nietzschean supermen.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:49 PM
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60. I have interacted with him
...back when he was SECDEF. He is NOT sartorial, but neither is he stupid. His wife has that "quasi-military wife" talent....good organizational skills, ability to multi-task, appropriate graciousness, skill at having the right outfit for the right occasion (she is mean, but she does have those talents, and they are important in that sphere). He, on the other hand, always looked like an unmade bed until she snatched him up and corrected him, but he always had the "right stuff" on, even if the shirt tail was hanging out, or the shirt wrinkled, or the tie askew.

I'm sure she weighed in and told him to change his outfit. She was wearing a fur hood, fachrissake--she'd want to MATCH. And I am guessing he dug in his heels and said NO. And, still, other scenarios notwithstanding, I think that this rebellious behavior was directed foresquare at his BOSS, the idiot he has supported this last four years, who is ANGRY at him right now, and who is punishing him by making him go to memorial services in the cold.

I never met the weecowboy, but I did meet Darth Dick. I really do think I am right about this. Think about it: the only one who really looks bad, in the BIG SCHEME OF THINGS, is the United States. No one on the world stage is worrying about petty partisan American politics, and they got a better view of this event than we sure as hell did--you have to figure that many countries carried the event live on TV--all we get is a few cheesy pictures.

His outfit REFLECTS ON HIS BOSS. He is sending a message, about, and to, his BOSS.

Of course, I COULD be wrong, but I do not think so....
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:55 PM
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38. It gave his Saudi pals a big laugh, anyway.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:58 PM
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40. It certainly signals that he's an inept asshole of epic proportions
I cannot decide why he did it, but I believe you are right, there is no way the big Dick did this accidentally...he must have been trying to send some type of a statement.
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sorechasm Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:38 PM
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43. Speak rudely and carry a big Dick
Isn't that what Teddy Roosevelt said...I may have it wrong.

It couldn't have been 'speak softly'. No... That would mean 'sensitively', which is an invitation for terrorists.

Dick knows how these terrorists think.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:43 PM
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44. Hmmm, that's one possibility, but it could signal he's a dumb fat fuck.
Either way, it's plumb embarrassing.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:50 PM
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47. It WAS A Message, A Different One To Different People
To the holocaust deniars, it was a message that he too shares their disdain for the ceremony. He's NOT a holocaust deniar, he knows damn well it happened and I'm sure he doesn't dissaprove, and that is yet another message to the people who don't deny it, but don't disapprove, or even actually approve...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:16 PM
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51. Beetwasher......that's kind of "chilling" don't ya think?
:scared:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:05 PM
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52. Just an arrogant asshole, nothing more.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:41 PM
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57. This is the message "Staff"
Just showed this to the Big brain & she says about the

knit ski cap reading "Staff 2001." that yeah that's right he is

"Staff" Auschwitz Staff 2001 ( talk about Subliminal)

She is quick on the draw I tell Ya !!

The whole Bush Clan are a bunch of Nazi sympathizers IMO

You wear a cap that says "Staff" to Auschwitz he'd have been one if he could have been, her parting words.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:37 PM
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61. I said the same thing in post #4 above
I think "Staff 2001" was an important message too!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:45 PM
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58. I don't know what he was trying to say.
But I agree with you--that was NO accident. He knew better than that. And it wasn't that he didn't HAVE the appropriate clothes--there are pics of him in a full suit and topcoat the day before that at the actual concentration camp when they laid flowers.

There's absolutely NO good explanation for that. Not his age (many people there were far older than him), his heart condition (if that was true, why was he wearing a suit and topcoat the day before? And no hat, either?), his access to the proper attire (again, we know he had the right clothes), nothing. NO good reason for it.

It was like he was saying "fuck you." But to whom? To the bush administration? Was he pissed off at getting sent there instead of bush? Is he on "funeral duty" now?

Was he saying "fuck you" to Europe? (That's my guess.)

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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:56 PM
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62. He had a hat on that said "Staff." The "message" is there.
And it's NOT a "denier."

So disgusting.
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Trahurn Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:27 AM
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64. Chaney's Conduct
I sympathize with anyone insulted with Chaney's dress and how it obviously "dis's" all those lives lost in the Holocaust. But then why should Cheney care much about them or anyone else. He has no qualms about people dying today probably as part of his own order. These people whoever they are, are numbers and casualties to him no matter what war or how long ago. He has better things to do. Like more killing.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:55 PM
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75. The man has no compassion.
When has he ever demonstrated that he cares about anything. Whether he was telling a senator to go f-himself, or lying about the WMD's, he truly is heartless.

While I had lost family to the Holocaust, I am not too offended but his actions. I am just going to add this to the list...

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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:50 AM
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67. Wow, did you poll the entire Jewish population of the world?
You must be really tired then, huh?

Just the same, he is an embarrassment as a representative of ME at such a solemn occasion, on your behalf, ok?

He is an embarrassment as a representative of America on the world stage no matter how you look at it, as far as I am concerned.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:42 AM
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68. No, just a putz (n/t)
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:26 PM
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71. see this photo juxtaposition
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:37 PM
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72. Here's a real one of Cheney the Hunter


He's even wearing the same boots.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:46 PM
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74. and the same hunting pants........ugh.... Orange again....prisoners....
These people are sick...
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:56 PM
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76. Remember right after 9-11 when Cheney was hiding
in an undisclosed location? Turns out, instead of figuring out how to protect us from this new threat from al Qaeda, Cheney went hunting instead.

Seems this jerk has got a thing for hunting and inappropriate responses to tragedy? Nice of him to tie up all this security and personnel, so he could sneak in a little R&R.



WHERE WAS CHENEY FOLLOWING 9-11? HUNTING!

immediately following 9-11, during the days when the world was told that Vice President Cheney was holed up for security reasons, and we were left with assumptions that he was hammering out the plans that would define our strategy for stopping terrorist attackers, he was instead killing pheasants at a posh killing resort in Poughkeepsie NY, just a hop, skip and a jump from the Wildlife Watch offices.

<snip>

Cheney was in town Sunday and Monday. He stayed at the Courtyard by Marriott Hotel in the Town of Poughkeepsie Sunday night. Nathan Rice, a manager at the hotel, declined to comment. Town police provided extra security at the hotel, Police Chief Peter Wilkinson said. ''Yes, the vice president was in the Town of Poughkeepsie,'' Wilkinson said. Several residents complained about the traffic local roads created when several were closed for security Sunday.Monday the vice president was at the rod and gun Club on Clove Mountain Road for several hours. It wasn't clear what Cheney was hunting for; hunters at the private club generally shoot pheasant and ducks.

At the club, which is hidden from view from Clove Valley Road, there were at least a half-dozen New York State Police cars, an ambulance and several black vans or sport utility vehicles, some with license plates from the State of Maryland. Men inside the vehicles wore jackets with an American flag on the sleeve and the words ''Secret Service'' on the breast. Others wore high-laced boots and black clothing, with the words ''Police Secret Service'' on the back. The area was mostly quiet, except for the chirping of birds and the rustle of leaves. By mid-afternoon, the echo of gunshots could be heard in the distance.

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/cc2001-fa-cheney.html

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 01:51 PM
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77. OMG...I never saw that report... Thanks for posting it....disgusting.
9/11 with all that we were going through and he's at one of those game places where they just shoot birds that have been bred for the kill.

I wonder if he sits and watches the Abu Graeb tapes over and over at night.. a real sicko.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:27 PM
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79. I never did either
I found it while I was poking around looking for Cheney in a hunting outfit.

I can't believe the Dick Head went hunting, while the rest of us didn't know what was going to happen next. It's apparent that Cheney wasn't that worried about another attack. More proof of MIHOP, otherwise they would have reacted more appropriately.
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daisymeme Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:42 PM
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73. snowblowers blowhard


Poor Vice President Cheney ~ he's just a slave to fashion! Dressing for the blowhards and not for the dolts.
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:33 PM
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80. I think it is possible
that he used his attire to send messages to many groups and individual. But the message that speaks the loudest to me is staff 2001. And, I can only hear 1 thing. The staff of 2001 is about 911. Like most sociopaths, they sooner or later, have to brag about their evil deeds and this is one way he can brag without being caught and having to pay for his deeds.
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:34 PM
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81. of course not- just that hes an ass.
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:06 PM
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82. I think you guys may be reading WAY too much into this...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:47 PM
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83. Well...you didn't say "WHY" we are reading too much into it. Only ONE
"Head of State" is dressed Inappropriately...and it's the one from the USA! who wears a white fur trimmed parka suited to ND...and holds a program between his legs like he's covering up something????

:shrug:
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