We won before we lost

[Jersey Devil]

What's so hard to figure out? "I voted for the 87B before I voted against it" is what doomed Kerry. He would have done it all over again even knowing there were no WMD - When he said that I wanted to scream!

What credibility could he have opposing Iraq after that?

On the other hand, those who opposed the war and made no bones about it, either from the start or clearly after Bush invaded had no problem being elected - Obama, Feingold, Boxer. Hell, Boxer got a MILLION more votes in Ca, maybe our bluest state, than Kerry.

We picked a flawed candidate on the Iraq issue. I admire Kerry as an individual and think he put up as good a fight as anyone could under the circumstances but he made mistakes (I would do it again) and never really said what he'd do in Iraq that was different from what Bush is doing. Did he say he'd pull the troops out? No. Did he detail his "plan"? No. So - the plan sounded like a bullshit line and anyone, fundie, right wing, left wing, anyone you pick, could feel free that on Iraq all he offered was "more of the same."

Offered a choice between the more of the same they knew and the more of the same they didn't know, Americans chose the one they knew.

This is all a management problem dumped on us by the DLC which never gave us the chance to choose our nominee.

[gasperc]

1. He could have made a clearer statement that he voted on two different bill

alot of people think he actually voted for the same bill twice, voting one way and then changing his mind and voting against. He should have emphasized the "white house" changes.

[Jersey Devil]

2. He had months to explain it and never did it - why?

Why didn't he take the time during the debates for instance to fully explain his vote? It was the most damaging vote Bush had against him yet he barely ever mentioned it and when he did it was just mumbo jumbo that made no sense.

[gordianot]

3. Best one liner of the day.

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Your Logic Is Flawed

Kerry won the same states that Obama,Feingold, and Boxer did...

[Jersey Devil]

7. by many less votes

Look it up. Boxer got as million more than kerry in California. The top of the ticket in your party usually gets the most votes. Same for the other states.

[RafterMan]

6. I thought Kerry had a consistent position on the war

But man, his rhetoric was all over the map. I could never understand what he was saying about it at any given moment, only that it seemed to be pegged to the national mood. I thought I knew what he meant and could explain it to other people, but hearing it from him made it sound like a senseless jumble.

Why did he never answer the "Wrong war, wrong time" charge? There were great smackdown answers all over the place on that, but it just sat there. The fact that he and Edwards voted against the $87 billion after voting for the war made good sense to me, but it sure wouldn't have if I'd only heard them try to explain it on Meet the Press. Good god.

Oh, and I think his "plan" was to invade Cambodia.