To All DU'ers Conceding Defeat Already & Can't Recognise FRAUD

[KittyWampus]

the only way I personally can understand your posts is you are either:

1. Unfamiliar with the evidence pointing to voter fraud, largely involving the use of electronic voting machines with no paper ballot.

2. Unfamiliar with EarlG and SoCalDem's threads that point out the evidence that fraud occured yesterday.

3. Mindlessly willing to look the other way when presented with evidence of massive scale voter fraud.

4. Suffering from self esteem problems and need to sound "smarter" then other DU'ers and our Democratic Candidate.

5. Purposely disrupting DU

It just doesn't seem possible that any informed DU'er who has read the pertinent current info about this election and BBV in general can pontificate on what Kerry did "wrong".

Kerry is NOT conceding and MOST DU'ers are going to fight to make sure the Voter's Will is recognized.

It kills me to not have the hid thread and ignore function right now.

Here is SoCalDem's Thread on evidence of massive voter fraud.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1290765

Here is EarlG's Thread on evidence of massive voter fraud:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1295396

[LuminousX]

1. Even if there is fraud, proving it will be difficult if not impossible.

[LiberalVoice]

5. So do you suggest we give up?

[Catfight]

6. Yes, the time to claim potential fraud was before it occurred.

[LiberalVoice]

2. Do you have links to EarlG and SoCalDem's threads?

I know this was fraud but I'd like some of there info.

[seeker4ever]

3. I'm familiar with the fact Democrats can't fight.

[KittyWampus]

11. You Are Therefore Taking The "I Am Superior" Attitude. Pathetic.

[Robbie67]

4. Robert Reich said Kerry had a one percent chance of pulling it out

n/t

[LiberalVoice]

10. Yeah and Bill O'reilly said there was a 2 percent chance...

that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Sometimes people are wrong.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. If Kerry is not conceding and comes out fighting,

I'll stand with him. It's the silence that concerns me. I do find it very odd that we're not hearing anything about Florida. They gave it to Bush early, but there's been nothing. No recaps of the counts. So maybe something is in question?

[The Straight Story]

8. My Take

IF Kerry caves today and concedes, what does that say about our party leadership in general - if they are not willing to fight, why should we? My thoughts on that we still should and can - but we need to change the leadership of the party, from the top on down. Those not willing to fight, who will give up after a day, they are the problem.

[KittyWampus]

14. He Already STATED He IS NOT CONCEDING!

so why post anything posited on the notion he will.

[kayell]

9. NO concession! NO surrender!

[Southpaw Bookworm]

12. I recognized the fraud in 2000

And it still didn't help.

[KittyWampus]

15. What Did You Do To Stop It In2000? You're Not Willing To Do Anything

Now? Pathetic

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

13. It was Fraud

no i will never surrender

[nickinSTL]

16. I have no doubt the election was stolen

I don't believe the high turnout throughout the country was to endorse the status quo.

The question is, will Kerry fight to get the fraud recognized?

If he does, I'll stand with him, and take to the streets if necessary.

If not, I'll be looking for a job in Canada (or anywhere else outside this country I can find one)

[archineas]

17. in addition

i, as a democrat, refuse to concede.

i live in ohio, and when i went to bed last night, msnbc had called ohio for bush. when i woke up this morning, it was back in the "???" column.

people on the right have their faith in a very specific "christian" god. i have my faith in the american system. that won't change. we might lose this battle, but i refuse to believe that we'll lose the war.

i wasn't a dean fan in the primaries, but his democracy for america project is where it's at, and i DO believe we have something brewing.

this is NOT the end!

j

[independentpiney]

18. Fraud is so obvious

I keep hoping I'll start hearing about evidence and legal challenges in the msm by this evening. The Kerry legal team has to be busting ass on this.

[monchie]

19. The big problem here is no cold hard evidence of fraud....

...because the machines are designed so that they don't produce any easily available cold hard evidence. There may be some files hidden deep in these machines that might provide it, but you're never going to be able to access it legally.

Unless Kerry's people already have some evidence in hand, we're cooked.

[DeepModem Mom]

20. Fraud is taken to courts, and they control our judiciary...

as they do the rest of our government, and the press that could mobilize the people. I don't know where we go from here. I'm sorry for my weakness, and complete lack of hope today -- truly sorry. If there is a practical way to fight, some kind of organized effort that emerges that has any hope of making a difference, I will be interested in joining that effort.

[KittyWampus]

22. Skinner Has A Thread About Going To Ohio, We WILL MAKE A Difference

[Pithy Cherub]

21. Fighting Fraud!

And Fighting Mad - behavior reflects your thoughts. Courage for the battle ahead and Fighting till the end!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

23. Presidential fraud aside - look at the House - Look at the Senate - look

at the referendums!!!!

[Cerridwen]

24. Good points, all.

I have one more to add:

6. Learned helplessness.

It's a condition in which someone becomes so accustomed to being abused, lied to, shat upon, etc., that they no longer question whether or not they have the right to expect any other type of treatment.

Here's a link to additional and more comprehensive detail
http://www.noogenesis.com/malama/discouragement/helplessness.html

[JHBowden]

25. Well, I can't recognize it.

There is no paper trail.

[booley]

26. That's the Probem. I can recognize FRAUD

just liek I recognixed it last election. I saw them not only doing all thier old tricks but plenty of new ones as well. And I knew there were tricks that we hadn't even begun to caught yet.

And like last time, it may not matter. The cheater still wins. and referees stand by and let him do it.

Our democracy may be dead. it hurts me to say that. But almost half this country thinks a pathological lier is an honest man, thinks killing is Christian and can't tell the difference between Patriotism and Jingoism. These people wil never accept the truth even if all the ballots are counted. I just can't see the dems putting up any more of a fight then they did last time. And the media will only report this long after the fact just like last time. And NOW we can expect that th enext election will be even more corrupt becuase there will be no one with the power in government to stop them. Asscroft has already said that voters cannot sue on thie rown behalf.

well, at least my Texas Dope head Shirt is still relevant.