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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:53 AM
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CNN just changed their Ohio exit poll page
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:54 AM by EarlG
It's been showing the following all night:



Kerry up 2 among men, up 6 among women.

At 1:41am they changed the results to favor Bush:



Now Kerry is suddenly down 5 among men, tied among women,

The media is trying to steal this for Bush.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:54 AM
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1. My God.
They did. THESE MOTHERFUCKERS ARE SCUM.
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lightbulb Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:54 AM
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2. NICE CAPTURE
thanks for that
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:54 AM
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3. Send this to Michael Moore
and every liberal blog you know of!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:08 AM
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14. Michael Moore?
Hell, send this to the Kerry campaign!
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:55 AM
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4. Good screen shots!
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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:55 AM
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5. Quick thinking!
Save all the evidence you can amass!
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:56 AM
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6. Just more votes came in?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:58 AM
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7. No, the polls wre long closed. This is Exit Polls, not votes (nt)
nt
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KYDEM Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:01 AM
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8. kick
n/t
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monchie Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:02 AM
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9. MSNBC's also changed...
Earlier, when the crap started getting funny, I made sure I had that window open, then saved it to my hd. I also bookmarked the page.

When I went back to the page just now, the numbers had changed.

I just don't know how to insert graphics on DU.
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magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:02 AM
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10. I had noticed this as well,
But didn't know how to do a capture of the screen. I am not sure how they can change exit polls results in the middle of the night... 8(
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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:03 AM
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11. I Saw This Myself! Unfuckingbelievable! They changed Florida as well!!!
I wish I captured Florida before and after the change....

Those FUCKERS....

AHHHHH, I'm so fucking pissed!
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KYDEM Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:04 AM
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12. kick
n/t
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:06 AM
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13. fuckers!
SAVE EVERYTHING!

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joytomme Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:08 AM
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15. CNN changing Ohio exit polls
It's true. CNN is scum. But, haven't we known that? There is one good thing about CNN and that is Aaron Brown...everything else and everyone else makes me want to tear my hair. CNN has some mystique, some cachet, some indefinable something that makes people think they are above the craven networks. But CNN is just as corrupt as the networks if not more so...I mean, they've got Bob Novak...doesn't that say something is really rotten? And by the way, when is that SlimeMeister going to jail?

Ratfuck Diary (http://ratfuckdiary.blogspot.com )

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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:12 AM
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16. KICK THIS !!!!!
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eldepeche Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:13 AM
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17. I noticed
I saw this too, I'd been watching all night. 52% Kerry, 47% bush. Now it's almost switched. What the eff is going on?
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:13 AM
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18. Kick
Make this one hurt for them.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:14 AM
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19. I'm a little sad, but steeled
we're gonna be fightin the good fight for awhile yet.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:15 AM
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20. Email Kerry/Edwards camp and send to air america radio
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MacGregor Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:16 AM
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21. The updated numbers aren't even mathematically possible.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 01:56 AM by MacGregor
Unless the original figures were in error. But even if they uncovered an additional 57 respondents, the math doesn't work. (And why, then all of a sudden now are the original figures in error? Does someone need a legitimacy booster shot now? Shit, don't answer that...)

I think my math is right, here, but try to follow:

    With 1,963 respondents, a 47% men respondents figure is 923. A 49%/51% B/K split is 452/471. With 2,020 respondents, a 47% figure is 950 men, an addition of 27 men respondents. A 52%/47% B/K split is 494/456. Except even if all 27 new responses were solely for *, it could be no more than 479/471 (50.4%/49.6% B/K ).

    With 1,963 respondents, a 53% women respondents figure is 1040. A 47%/53% B/K split is 489/551. With 2,020 respondents, a 53% figure is 1070 women, an addition of 30 women respondents. A 50/50 B/K split is 535/535. Except even if all 30 new responses were solely for *, it could be no more than 519/551 (48.5%/51.5% B/K).


Jesus, we been so completely jobbed by the pollsters and media. Fuck, these assholes learned nothing from 2000, did they? Not that they give a round little damn, of course.
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:16 AM
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22. Lubing up the electorate for some major buggery
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 01:16 AM by makhno
Just like the reports of Dick Cheney's motorcade leaving the Naval Observatory. It's all being set up to make a shrubco "victory" feel "natural."

But it won't pass. No concession from Kerry = no victory for bush.
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Shadoobie Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:16 AM
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23. Thank you!
I saw the other threads and when I looked at the polling data it didn't match. Thank God for screen capture.

Greg
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:16 AM
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24. Save this information!
It will be vital to add it to all the other information being compiled on this, what amounts to a coup. I'm nominating your post for the homepage.
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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:23 AM
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26. I printed it in color and can scan it! I saw it! LYING FUCKERS!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:17 AM
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25. Media blast this ...especially to Knight-Ridder.
.
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fwiff Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:30 AM
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27. Post this on the pres thread, too!
kick
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:31 AM
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28. Good job, Earlg
These big media people are EVIL!!!!

They are trying to steal it again for Bush and cover their tracks regarding Kerry's poll numbers. Save these screengrabs, they are priceless. As some suggested, send them to Michael Moore and also to Gregg Palast.
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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:32 AM
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29. WRITE CNN, COMPLAIN, http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?21
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:54 AM
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35. Forget CNN, give it to their rivals

Send it to all the rival networks along with my statistical analysis of the unexplainable 5% edge Bush pulled off in EVoting states with no audit trails.

Please help me compile more information on this problem here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Jasper 91 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:13 AM
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51. I've just emailed CNN
And am going to send emails about this to everyone I can think of . How can Kerry be ahead in the swing states in the early voting , ahead in yesterday's exit polls and still have less votes than * . It just doesn't make sense .

As soon as I saw * smug face early on , I knew he knew the fix was in . Diebold and other Republican voting machine manufacturers have served this election to their satanic master , as promised , and the right-wing media is complicit in this fraud . Their bias and distortions of the truth , will only get worse , and The * White House will only get more secretive .

This is grand larceny , on the grandest scale , and as long as these machines are used , the Democrats will never be elected again .
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:34 AM
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30. I did the math, it's NOT POSSIBLE - clear fraud
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 01:52 AM by SoCalDemocrat
Please help me compile more information on this problem. I've been tracking it for several hours now and have observed a discrepancy in every state with EVoting that doesn't have audit trails. I've been reporting it here at DU. In the past hour CNN has apparently begun altering their exit polling data to cover up the problem.

We need to start a national media alert campaign to get this information into the press. Every state I analyzed that used EVoting and no audits showed a 5% edge for Bush. Every other state with EVoting and audits or no EVoting the exit polls matched the actual voting results.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


I ran CNN's numbers above, and it's clearly impossible for their results to have changed that much. What they're doing is fraudulent and a blatant attempt to cover up this emerging EVoting scandal.

Between those two screen shots, exactly 57 more persons were polled. If every single one of them were female, and every single one of them voted for Bush, that would account for a 2.3% increase in the exit polling results for female voters. They show a 6% increase for Female voters supporting Bush.


Why am I thinking CNN has been reading my thread on DU that shows the EVoting is inexplicably skewed to favor Bush?


Also try to get us screen shots of the percent of precincts reporting against those numbers. Their other page shows it.

I've been tracking this all night. Every exit poll vs. actual results was skewed about 5% in favor of Bush in states with no audit trails on EVoting. Those with audit trails matched up.

I resampled Florida and Ohio twice, and got the same results. This was with 90% or more precincts reported.

To prove it, we need screen captures of their pages with the 89% precincts reporting and their exit poll data up.

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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:37 AM
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31. Enough is enough!
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:38 AM
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32. Chuck Todd on C-SPAN
is reporting that they re-weighted the exit polls because, based on actual voter tallies, it became clear that the exit polls had oversampled black voters.

That's what Chuck Todd said.... I don't know why they would go back to change exit polling, but.....
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:09 AM
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47. Yep, all the exit polls for every state have changed at CNN
"Rewiegh black vote" - means black vote suppressed.
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Romberry Donating Member (632 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:48 AM
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33. Someone please do the math. Is that swing even possible?
At the 12:21 am update with 1963 respondents they showed men for Kerry over Bush by 51-49% and women for Kerry by 53% to 47%. The 1:41 am update shows a complete swing including a full 6% among female voters with a total of 2020 respondents. 2020 minus 1963 = 57. Can a mere 57 respondents account for this swing? If so, wouldn't basically each and every one of the *new respondents* have had to been for Bush? What are the odds?
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MacGregor Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:00 AM
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39. I did, up in Post 21. IT'S AS FISHY AS SHIT!
I still don't see how it works even if all 57 of their new phantom respondents went for *.

(Though I'll admit am, in all regards spent, I think my math is right. Anyone else, feel free to check my work...)
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Doodlesweaver Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:01 AM
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42. We are going to bust these assholes!!!


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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:49 AM
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34. THANK GOD someone was on this! My god..they are unbelievable
they will say and do anything. just like 1984. down the memory hole.
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Doodlesweaver Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:54 AM
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36. Are you going to save this someplace else?
We all need to save this to our computers, etc. Send to memory hole. Otherwise they might take it down and we will lose it. I hope to God someone with more computer sense than me can figure out how to save this.
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socalover Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:56 AM
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37. KICK THIS FUCKING THREAD UP!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:58 AM
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38. Send this to Atrios, David Brock, Josh Marshall ASAP!!
Nice capture!!! :thumbsup:
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monchie Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:03 AM
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43. I've sent them to Atrios
I also sent my MSNBC Ohio screen captures.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:01 AM
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40. *60* People can swing the % by THAT MUCH?? BULLSHIT!!
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:09 AM
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48. Mathematically impossible. See post 46 for the figures.
-Grant
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:01 AM
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41. just sent
to the Kerry Campaign...!!!
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symphony Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:05 AM
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44. this is freakin' unbelievable
how do you change something that concluded hours ago?

Those bastards have thought of everything. We can outsmart them though.
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gavodotcom Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:08 AM
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45. WAY TO FUCKING GO, EARLG!
Great catch and nominated.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:08 AM
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46. Math clearly shows updated results are RIGGED...
... to reflect the vote counts that were reported.

First CNN exit poll:

1963 respondents: 47% Male (923), 53% Female (1040)

Males for Bush: 49% of Males = 452 voters
Females for Bush: 47% of Females = 489 voters

Males for Kerry: 51% of Males = 471
Females for Kerry: 53% of Females = 551

Second CNN exit poll:

2020 respondents (57 more than the first report): 47% Male (949), 53% Female (1071)

Males for Bush: 52% of Males = 493 voters.
Females for Bush: 50% of Females = 535 (and a half, I don't know how they rounded)

Males for Kerry: 47% of Males = 456
Females for Kerry: 50% of Females = 535 (and a half)

Hello? Apparently not only did they find an extra 57 voters HOURS after the polls closed to add to their **exit polling** results, but they LOST 21 Men and 16 Women who had voted for Kerry in order to make the exit polls match the vote count. Maybe they just decided after the fact that those people had actually said they voted for Bush and they misheard them... because Bush's totals went up by well MORE than 57 votes.

There can be no doubt, the update is bogus.

-Grant
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:17 AM
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49. Florida changed too
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 02:40 AM
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50. You know what they're going to say...
That we photoshopped the screenshots.

But I fucking saw the numbers change with my own eyes.
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:30 AM
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52. I noticed this too, if these bastards steel another election
If I were the Dem's in House and Senate, if they do this again I would have them ALL resign in protest and leave those defunct lying bastards to fend for themselves.

No f'ing way can we let this happen in America again.
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VIHMH5L50P Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:53 AM
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53. I can't believe this

need I say the obvious? It was rigged and we were robbed. So basically we busted our asses for a year to win an election and we did, but then just got uit taken away, for the second time in a row and by and the same sonsofbitches who got the art of screwing people all figured out like an artform, they got all these fucking lawyers ready to freeze us out of the process and if we complain, even if you can prove it, tough shit, get your ass out of here, heil hitler. This is America now.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:56 AM
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54. they needed to "clean up" the crime scene....why would you change it?
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:52 AM
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55. People send this page to MEDIA MATTERS.ORG and everywhere else!
We have to fight it out with them each step of the way.
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marcus_b Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:14 AM
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56. I've seen it.
I have seen this change, too. I have witnessed it live. I was completely baffeled by it.

I don't know why that happened. Your guess is as good as mine. But it certainly requires an explanation from CNN.
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