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Richardson08 Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 02:29 PM
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Does Zogby have * up 47 to 42 in the latest Ohio poll?
MSNBC just had it
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 02:30 PM
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1. yes
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 02:31 PM by montana500
but the latest scripps polls has Kerry up 4, and so do the internals.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 02:31 PM
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2. bullshit.. I don't believe it. If MSNBC says so, I take the opposite view
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 02:38 PM
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3. Zogby's state polls have always been questionable
and that's putting it mildly.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 02:42 PM
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5. And if you check back to 2000
they show a lot of big swings from day to day.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 02:41 PM
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4. Zogby has been contradicting himself
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 02:42 PM by Jersey Devil
Many of the numbers in his new battleground callup polls totally contradict the numbers in the interactive polls take just a few days earlier.

For instance, in the 10/24 Iowa bg poll he has it 47-45 Bush.
But in his interactive poll of 10/19 he had it 51.1-47.9 Kerry.

Now, do you think Kerry lost 6 points in 4 days or that Bush gained 4 points in the same period in Iowa?

NM is even more ridiculous. His interactive poll on 10/19 had Kerry up almost 10 points, 53.6 - 44.1. Yet on 10/24 he has it as Bush 49-44. What could possibly have occurred to turn around a poll from a 9 point lead to a 5 point loss in 4 days?

Either the interactive polls by Zogby are bullshit or the phone call polls by Zogby are bullshit, or maybe both.

Funny, but just a few weeks ago Zogby posted a long article about how Gallup couldn't be trusted due to the big swings in their polls.
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kurt_cagle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 02:46 PM
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6. Statistical Noise
There aren't many undecideds yet, and people feel strongly on both sides of the aisle. That means that finding good samples actually becomes harder. I know its expensive, but I think that if this isn't just partisan hackery that Zogby would do good to expand their poll to 2,000 to 3,000 people. WHen you get this much variability in polling its usually a good indication that you're sample is too small and hence not representative.

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